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In your opinion, who would be the most powerful ? The C'tan or the Chaos Gods ?

I'm asking this because the Deceiver seems to do quite the same job as Tzeentch.

Chaos Gods.
Don't the C'tan have a weakness to Chaos?

Coolyo294 wrote:Don't the C'tan have a weakness to Chaos?

Well, if I recall correctly their weakness is the warp, so they would definitly never go there for a battle. But in the material world ?
Though I'm not sure how the Chaos Gods could actually get out of the warp, they killed most of the Eldar gods.

Chaos Gods. The C'tan might have had the edge before they started eating each other and getting smashed to pieces by mortals.

Chaos Gods, because C'Tan are now slaves of Necrons.

Well, I like the C'Tan more, but I think Chaos gods are more powerful.

A full powered C'tan is a master of the material world. They may have a weakness to the powers of the Warp, but there's little a Chaos God could do to take one unless it wants to power up a Greater Daemon to stupid levels, leaving itself vulnerable to the other Gods in the Warp. In the flip side, there's literally nothing a C'tan can do to harm the Chaos Gods. They're both masters of their respective universes.

iproxtaco wrote:A full powered C'tan is a master of the material world.

Yeah, that's why the Necrons broke them down.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:A full powered C'tan is a master of the material world.

Yeah, that's why the Necrons broke them down.

And it's clear that the C'tan can't be killed, only fragmented.

Chaos, on the other hand have such a huge investment in humanity, that they could be destroyed by wiping out the humans.

iproxtaco wrote:A full powered C'tan is a master of the material world. They may have a weakness to the powers of the Warp, but there's little a Chaos God could do to take one unless it wants to power up a Greater Daemon to stupid levels, leaving itself vulnerable to the other Gods in the Warp. In the flip side, there's literally nothing a C'tan can do to harm the Chaos Gods. They're both masters of their respective universes.

This...

You really can't compare because it's impossible for say...The Nightbringer and Khorne to have a fight to the death...

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:A full powered C'tan is a master of the material world.

Yeah, that's why the Necrons broke them down.

Yep. They can't be destroyed, and were powerful to extent that the entire Necron Empire had to go into hibernation. These same Necrons still fear what a C'tan could do to them if it were ever reunited with the other shards.

Im going to have to go with the C'tan. Not the shards that we have no but the original race of Star Gods. There were more of them and I think that at their peak they were much much stronger than anything the galaxy will ever witness. Its kinda hard to say who would "win in a fight" since the Chaos gods are stuck in the warp and the C'tan are stuck in the materium...

Sasori wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:A full powered C'tan is a master of the material world.

Yeah, that's why the Necrons broke them down.

And it's clear that the C'tan can't be killed, only fragmented.

Chaos, on the other hand have such a huge investment in humanity, that they could be destroyed by wiping out the humans.

Chaos had a huge investment in humanity during the Heresy, because it looked as if humanity was about to become their toy. Then and only then would destroying humanity have killed them. Now they're back to feeding off the galaxy in general. Killing humanity would weaken them, but not kill them.

Farseer Petriel wrote:Chaos Gods, because C'Tan are now slaves of Necrons.

C'Tan, because the Chaos gods are now Draigo's bitch.

The Chaos gods, however, have a major weakness. They need some means of accessing the material plane. It's not exactly a trivial or easy thing for them, which is why they need pawns and puppets and minions to do things in realspace. Now, if its a warp/realspace interface, like the Eye of TError, then of course the ball is in Chaos' park now, but that's a bit unfair because any C'tan even in the vicinity of (or inside) that sort of realm is going to be screwed even without a Chaos God around.

To be fair to Chaos though, the C'tan were in something of a similar situation - they needed bodies to be able to affect the mateiral plane as well, and it is quite possible that a C'tan's power may be limited by this the same way a daemon's power can be limited by who they possess.

C'Tan was destroyed them imprisoned by Necrons ( their shards at least ).

Chaos Gods still pumpin after 38.000+ years...

Depends who's fighting on there home turf. But IMO Chaos gods cause they can do fething magic.

FlammingGaunt wrote:Depends who's fighting on there home turf. But IMO Chaos gods cause they can do fething magic.

And a C'tan can destroy an entire solar system with the flick of a wrist.

And the Chaos gods can cause Warp storms and create daemons. It doesn't really matter, since neither can leave their respective plains. I guess the Chaos gods have a bit of an advantage since they can send daemons and followers to the material realm though.

It's only an advantage if it actually matters.

All the most powerful Greater Daemons of the four gods combining their forces couldn't even inconvenience the full power of the Nightbringer.

So unless, as iproxtaco said, a Chaos God were to create some stupidly powerful Greater Daemon consisting all but the last of their power, which would be as he said stupid, this fight can't really happen.

On the subject of the new Necron codex, while the C'tan have certainly been nerfed and depantsed from a narrative standpoint in the setting, their actual, in-universe power seems to still be great when whole. Actually, you could make the argument that they are even stronger now.

Aren't the C'Tan older than the Chaos Gods? Do I have that wrong? Not that that signifies power necessarily, but was just wondering. I voted C'Tan simply off of age.

Tzeentch was once the master of all creation, if codex daemons can be believed

The Ctan were masters of only part of it (the materium)


As to 'reality' who knows


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Ctan have been arounbd about as long as the universe.

Time is meaningless in the warp.

IIRC, the C'tan tried to start building the pylons so that this would never be an issue. Also, it seems that both types of gods are capable of visiting multiple dimensional plains.

In terms of the game, I think that the C'tan were nerfed to make it a little more fair (if that's possible). Also, is there any reason why a GOD can't be omnipresent?

Food Store Hero wrote:Aren't the C'Tan older than the Chaos Gods? Do I have that wrong? Not that that signifies power necessarily, but was just wondering. I voted C'Tan simply off of age.

From the perspective of the Materium, yes. They are as ancient as the universe, formed by the colossal energies of creation.

From the perspective of the Warp, it is difficult to say.

Home field takes this one.

They're basically opposites.

Ultimate victory for the Chaos Gods means integration between the Warp and the Materium, ultimate victory for the C'tan means complete separation.

At least, in the 3e codex, I don't know about anymore.

C'tan are a mindless slave class now. No point comparing them to the Chaos Gods anymore. The Necrons were able to annihilate the C'tan, it's unfathomable for the Gods of Chaos to be overthrown by the likes of Abaddon, Mortarion, or Doombreed. One of Khorne's mightiest Bloodthirsters tried to make a move on him once and got literally thrown across the Warp.

This would be easier to resolve if there was some common point of comparison to start with. Unfortunately I don't think there is, because both sides basically have a form of magic on their side (to the point they can apparently manipulate or alter physics to suit their purposes. Manipulating time and space is pretty trivial to the Necrons and C'Tan as I recall.)

Harriticus wrote:C'tan are a mindless slave class now. No point comparing them to the Chaos Gods anymore. The Necrons were able to annihilate the C'tan, it's unfathomable for the Gods of Chaos to be overthrown by the likes of Abaddon, Mortarion, or Doombreed. One of Khorne's mightiest Bloodthirsters tried to make a move on him once and got literally thrown across the Warp.

Weakened shard of Void Dragon=Emperor.

Emperor>=Chaos God

Void Dragon (Whole)>Emperor.

Therefore, Void Dragon>Chaos God.

This is a joke of course, the Emperor's power in the Materium is not the same as his power in the Warp.

Chaos Gods.