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I could see them being grotesqued, as that's unwilling

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i think that Eldar bodies are too...small for that, or those Haemonculus really know how to mess with flesh.

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They Grot'ed tau

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i guess that explains what could have happen to the remains of the Squats....

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They ought to be able to Grotesque a Grot

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Grots and tau aren't that far different in size anyway

Grotesquing a snotling would be an achievement though

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Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Ascalam wrote:Not that they have the monopoly on arrogance.

The IOM has them beat on that one
No they don't. The Imperium and Eldar are both supremely arrogant. The Eldar also consider the galaxy to be theirs by birthright. They are arrogant to the point of xenophobia but in the way that they disdain lesser races and wouldn't hesitate to kill them all if need be which is pretty much everyone in their opinion.


As opposed to the IoM, which considers the galaxy to be its by birthright, and will kill you even if it doesn't really need to. Eldar "dominance" has always been fairly limited. Even at the height of their power (i.e. right before the creation of Slaanesh), the Eldar were still mostly limited to one area (which is why the Eye of Terror only covers a small part of the galaxy instead of the entire thing...). The only Eldar commonly found outside the area now known as the Eye of Terror were the Exodites (who had already seen the writing on the wall) and the tradeships that would later become the basis of the craftworlds.


The IOM have eradicated how many 'lesser' xeno RACES again? And consider the entire fething galaxy their by divine right?
And how many lesse races have the Eldar race killed, tortured, used as pawns over the millions of years. I believe the Dark Eldar codex has mentions os stealing stars and thus killing millions of species.


We don't know because according to the codices the only Eldar who really bother all that much are the Dark Eldar. Most Craftworlders are typically content to leave you alone so long as you aren't on a Maiden World, aren't furthering Chaos (even unknowingly, which is why most people don't understand what they did to attract the ire of the Craftworlders), and aren't a direct threat to Eldar interests. It should also be noted that given the above constraints, the only reason that the Craftworlders would have for going after most of the minor races is Chaos. The minor races can't really do much space travel, so there's little chance of them settling on a Maidenworld or becoming a direct threat to Eldar interests. Contrast that with the Imperium - the only reason that the Tau still exist is because the Imperium fleet that was tasked with exterminating them in their pre-spaceflight stage was delayed for a critically long period of time (i.e. long enough for the Tau to develop the technology that they now have).



Lobukia wrote:
Their extreme decadence led to their fall... the Craftworld Eldar have effectively purged that... while the Dark Eldar have ran with it.
Some Craftworlds struggle with this issue till.


Which ones? You can't just throw out a vague "some" and leave it at that. There aren't all that many craftworlds in the fluff, so if you've got examples then name them.

Eumerin wrote:
They're not "cruel". They're indifferent. They don't care about you unless you can directly affect their safety or have settled on a Maiden World. And in the latter case, some craftworlds have even helped the settlers relocate.
They are indifferent and cruel. Their indifference is that they don't care about you unless you are about to do something taht affects them or they just want to have fun or they just want to use you as pawns.


The only Eldar that destroy people "just to have fun" are the Dark Eldar and some Corsairs. The Craftworlders don't engage in that. If you think differently, then cite some sources. Do they use people as pawns? Of course they do. Everyone in 40K uses others as pawns when they can get away with it. Kryptmann, for instance, is using the Orks as pawns against the Tyrannids. The difference between the Eldar and everyone else is that in the case of the Eldar the stakes are exceedingly high (since the Eldar are typically using others as pawns against highly dangerous threats such as Chaos and Necrons), and the Eldar are (according to official fluff, anyway; the fiction generally consists of numerous examples demonstrating otherwise) so much better at it than everyone else.




Compare that with...
... the Orks will attack your world, kill everyone that resists, enslave everyone who doesn't, and either work the slaves to death or set them on fire. Because watching people run around while they're on fire is HILARIOUS!
And may drive species into extinction as well.


EVERYONE in the 40K setting drives species into extinction. I'm not sure why you think that the Eldar are any different in that regard. The only possible exception might be the Tau, and that's because they want to enslave and brainwash you instead.
   
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Eumerin wrote:
Compare that with...
... the Orks will attack your world, kill everyone that resists, enslave everyone who doesn't, and either work the slaves to death or set them on fire. Because watching people run around while they're on fire is HILARIOUS!




I'm not understanding how this is different then the Eldar. They attack a world kill everyone who resists and then sell the rest to Harlies who will set their insides on fire. Because cooked Tau is delicious

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TheAngrySquig wrote:
Eumerin wrote:
Compare that with...
... the Orks will attack your world, kill everyone that resists, enslave everyone who doesn't, and either work the slaves to death or set them on fire. Because watching people run around while they're on fire is HILARIOUS!




I'm not understanding how this is different then the Eldar. They attack a world kill everyone who resists and then sell the rest to Harlies who will set their insides on fire. Because cooked Tau is delicious


Sorry, but Harlies aren't big Tau fans. They prefer the somewhat more lean hormagaunt breast meat.
   
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Eumerin wrote:
TheAngrySquig wrote:
Eumerin wrote:
Compare that with...
... the Orks will attack your world, kill everyone that resists, enslave everyone who doesn't, and either work the slaves to death or set them on fire. Because watching people run around while they're on fire is HILARIOUS!




I'm not understanding how this is different then the Eldar. They attack a world kill everyone who resists and then sell the rest to Harlies who will set their insides on fire. Because cooked Tau is delicious


Sorry, but Harlies aren't big Tau fans. They prefer the somewhat more lean hormagaunt breast meat.


Sorry, haven't been to a Harlequin cafe in a while. I last saw Tau at an Orky place

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TheAngrySquig wrote:
Eumerin wrote:
TheAngrySquig wrote:
Eumerin wrote:
Compare that with...
... the Orks will attack your world, kill everyone that resists, enslave everyone who doesn't, and either work the slaves to death or set them on fire. Because watching people run around while they're on fire is HILARIOUS!




I'm not understanding how this is different then the Eldar. They attack a world kill everyone who resists and then sell the rest to Harlies who will set their insides on fire. Because cooked Tau is delicious


Sorry, but Harlies aren't big Tau fans. They prefer the somewhat more lean hormagaunt breast meat.


Sorry, haven't been to a Harlequin cafe in a while. I last saw Tau at an Orky place


Why would you go to an ork place? They put too much fungus in everything.

Now Krootburger... they've got some good eats!
   
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Eumerin wrote:
As opposed to the IoM, which considers the galaxy to be its by birthright, and will kill you even if it doesn't really need to. Eldar "dominance" has always been fairly limited. Even at the height of their power (i.e. right before the creation of Slaanesh), the Eldar were still mostly limited to one area (which is why the Eye of Terror only covers a small part of the galaxy instead of the entire thing...). The only Eldar commonly found outside the area now known as the Eye of Terror were the Exodites (who had already seen the writing on the wall) and the tradeships that would later become the basis of the craftworlds


The Eye is actually huge...Just sayin.

The Eldar are stated to have had a galaxy dominating Empire rivalling in IoM in size anyway with what is now the eye being it's beating heart.

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MFK is my personal favourite. The Ad Mech know how to cook up some good kroot

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Eumerin wrote:As opposed to the IoM, which considers the galaxy to be its by birthright, and will kill you even if it doesn't really need to.
Nice ignoring that both Eldar and the Imperium consider the galaxy to be their birthrights and to hell with everyone else .


Eldar "dominance" has always been fairly limited. Even at the height of their power (i.e. right before the creation of Slaanesh), the Eldar were still mostly limited to one area (which is why the Eye of Terror only covers a small part of the galaxy instead of the entire thing...). The only Eldar commonly found outside the area now known as the Eye of Terror were the Exodites (who had already seen the writing on the wall) and the tradeships that would later become the basis of the craftworlds.
False. I was talking about the Eldar empire which ruled the galaxy for millions of years and is stated to have stretched across the galaxy and ruled it. The presence of Maiden worlds and ruins across the galaxy disprove your theory The EOT was the heart of the ELdar empire and where the core worlds were located.


We don't know because according to the codices the only Eldar who really bother all that much are the Dark Eldar. Most Craftworlders are typically content to leave you alone so long as you aren't on a Maiden World, aren't furthering Chaos (even unknowingly, which is why most people don't understand what they did to attract the ire of the Craftworlders), and aren't a direct threat to Eldar interests. It should also be noted that given the above constraints, the only reason that the Craftworlders would have for going after most of the minor races is Chaos. The minor races can't really do much space travel, so there's little chance of them settling on a Maidenworld or becoming a direct threat to Eldar interests.
Xenology has Eldar attacking a race when they don't get what they want, one of the older fluff sources has an alien who is the last of his race cause the rest of them got eaten by the Nids that had been diverted to his world by Eldrad(I think), Eldar Corsair's and pirates attacking Imperial shipping for the lulz and from the FFG books, we have a race known as the Stryxis who for some reason hate Eldar and won't hesitate to kill them all. The Stryxis even sell stuff to Chaos.


Contrast that with the Imperium - the only reason that the Tau still exist is because the Imperium fleet that was tasked with exterminating them in their pre-spaceflight stage was delayed for a critically long period of time (i.e. long enough for the Tau to develop the technology that they now have).
Yes so what? The Imperium wanted the planet, thats why they were planning to kill the Tau just like when the Eldar want their Maiden worlds back. They give a warning to leave in a time period that is inadequate and then unleash the bombs on the inhabitants.


Which ones? You can't just throw out a vague "some" and leave it at that. There aren't all that many craftworlds in the fluff, so if you've got examples then name them.
Its from the FFG books. A Craftworld known as Kaelor.

They are indifferent and cruel. Their indifference is that they don't care about you unless you are about to do something taht affects them or they just want to have fun or they just want to use you as pawns.


The only Eldar that destroy people "just to have fun" are the Dark Eldar and some Corsairs. The Craftworlders don't engage in that. If you think differently, then cite some sources.
I was speaking of the Eldar race in general like the Corsairs and pirates.


Do they use people as pawns? Of course they do. Everyone in 40K uses others as pawns when they can get away with it. Kryptmann, for instance, is using the Orks as pawns against the Tyrannids. The difference between the Eldar and everyone else is that in the case of the Eldar the stakes are exceedingly high (since the Eldar are typically using others as pawns against highly dangerous threats such as Chaos and Necrons), and the Eldar are (according to official fluff, anyway; the fiction generally consists of numerous examples demonstrating otherwise) so much better at it than everyone else.
And condemn billions of humans to death just to save a handful of Eldar but then again humanity does this as well so Eldar and Humanity are very similar to each other.




EVERYONE in the 40K setting drives species into extinction. I'm not sure why you think that the Eldar are any different in that regard. The only possible exception might be the Tau, and that's because they want to enslave and brainwash you instead.
I was talking about the Orks.

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Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.

But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.

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Corporal_Reznov wrote:As opposed to the IoM, which considers the galaxy to be its by birthright, and will kill you even if it doesn't really need to.

Alot of races think the galaxy should be theirs, and they will almost all kill you even if they don't need to

Eldar "dominance" has always been fairly limited. Even at the height of their power (i.e. right before the creation of Slaanesh), the Eldar were still mostly limited to one area (which is why the Eye of Terror only covers a small part of the galaxy instead of the entire thing...). The only Eldar commonly found outside the area now known as the Eye of Terror were the Exodites (who had already seen the writing on the wall) and the tradeships that would later become the basis of the craftworlds.

The Eldar ruled the entire galaxy at one point, the Eye is only the result of Slaneesh's birth screams, which only affected the core of the Eldar empire

We don't know because according to the codices the only Eldar who really bother all that much are the Dark Eldar. Most Craftworlders are typically content to leave you alone so long as you aren't on a Maiden World, aren't furthering Chaos (even unknowingly, which is why most people don't understand what they did to attract the ire of the Craftworlders), and aren't a direct threat to Eldar interests. It should also be noted that given the above constraints, the only reason that the Craftworlders would have for going after most of the minor races is Chaos. The minor races can't really do much space travel, so there's little chance of them settling on a Maidenworld or becoming a direct threat to Eldar interests.





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Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Eumerin wrote:As opposed to the IoM, which considers the galaxy to be its by birthright, and will kill you even if it doesn't really need to.
Nice ignoring that both Eldar and the Imperium consider the galaxy to be their birthrights and to hell with everyone else .


Erm... I wasn't ignoring the point. I was pointing out that the Imperium is FAR more aggressive in pursuing it than the Eldar are.


Eldar "dominance" has always been fairly limited. Even at the height of their power (i.e. right before the creation of Slaanesh), the Eldar were still mostly limited to one area (which is why the Eye of Terror only covers a small part of the galaxy instead of the entire thing...). The only Eldar commonly found outside the area now known as the Eye of Terror were the Exodites (who had already seen the writing on the wall) and the tradeships that would later become the basis of the craftworlds.
False. I was talking about the Eldar empire which ruled the galaxy for millions of years and is stated to have stretched across the galaxy and ruled it. The presence of Maiden worlds and ruins across the galaxy disprove your theory The EOT was the heart of the ELdar empire and where the core worlds were located.


As far as I can tell, most of the Maiden Worlds were seeded with the idea "we'll get there eventually". There's nothing that I've seen to indicate that many of them were actually settled during the time of the Eldar empire - except perhaps by Exodites. And it's also worth noting that even at the height of Eldar power, the Exodites still managed to find plenty of places to go to "get away" from the Eldar Empire. That suggests an empire that was actually rather limited in scope when compared with the Imperium of Man.


We don't know because according to the codices the only Eldar who really bother all that much are the Dark Eldar. Most Craftworlders are typically content to leave you alone so long as you aren't on a Maiden World, aren't furthering Chaos (even unknowingly, which is why most people don't understand what they did to attract the ire of the Craftworlders), and aren't a direct threat to Eldar interests. It should also be noted that given the above constraints, the only reason that the Craftworlders would have for going after most of the minor races is Chaos. The minor races can't really do much space travel, so there's little chance of them settling on a Maidenworld or becoming a direct threat to Eldar interests.
Xenology has Eldar attacking a race when they don't get what they want, one of the older fluff sources has an alien who is the last of his race cause the rest of them got eaten by the Nids that had been diverted to his world by Eldrad(I think), Eldar Corsair's and pirates attacking Imperial shipping for the lulz and from the FFG books, we have a race known as the Stryxis who for some reason hate Eldar and won't hesitate to kill them all. The Stryxis even sell stuff to Chaos.


Here's a thought - maybe the reason why the Stryxis and the Eldar don't get along is because the latter have taken exception to the former dealing with Chaos? i.e. the Eldar interfered in a few too many Stryxis deals (with Chaos) and the Stryxis have grown tired of the interference and now shoot on sight? Or, given the presence of farseers among the Eldar, maybe the Eldar know some great secret about the Stryxis, and the Stryxis hate the Eldar for it? The fluff certainly seems to suggest that there are some very Bad Things(tm) to be worried about where the Stryxis are concerned. As for Corsairs, some of them are closely tied with Craftworlds. But many of them aren't. Basically, a Corsair could range from craftworld privateers to an extended Dark Eldar raiding party, or anything in between. As a result, they are - unfortunately - too erratic in their actions to use as a way of reading the various Eldar groups. As for the diverted tyranids, the question that needs to be asked is, "Why were the tyranids diverted?" Were they going to threaten Eldar interests? Was the race going to grow into a new batch of Chaos worshippers? Contrary to certain popular fanfics, chances are that the tyranids didn't get sent to that world just because Eldrad was bored one day.


Contrast that with the Imperium - the only reason that the Tau still exist is because the Imperium fleet that was tasked with exterminating them in their pre-spaceflight stage was delayed for a critically long period of time (i.e. long enough for the Tau to develop the technology that they now have).
Yes so what? The Imperium wanted the planet, thats why they were planning to kill the Tau just like when the Eldar want their Maiden worlds back. They give a warning to leave in a time period that is inadequate and then unleash the bombs on the inhabitants.


Not entirely true. Some craftworlds give very short notice (one of the craftworlds - Biel-Tan, iirc - particularly dislikes humanity). On the other hand, the codex gives an example of one of the major craftworlds which helps human settlers relocate if the colony surrenders. As for the Tau, given that no one noticed the Tau had developed their own little space empire in the meantime, it appears that the resettlement of the Tau homeworld was given a fairly low priority. The impetus behind the extermination order appears to have been along the lines of "These guys are going to be a nuisance whenever we get around to moving into the region. Might as well get rid of them now." And unlike the Eldar, who developed the Maiden Worlds into what they are now, the Imperium had no prior connection with the Tau homeworld.


Which ones? You can't just throw out a vague "some" and leave it at that. There aren't all that many craftworlds in the fluff, so if you've got examples then name them.
Its from the FFG books. A Craftworld known as Kaelor.
Kaelor's reasons have been explained in the most recent Rogue Trader adventure. Without giving anything away, suffice to say that imo they're pretty good ones.

The only Eldar that destroy people "just to have fun" are the Dark Eldar and some Corsairs. The Craftworlders don't engage in that. If you think differently, then cite some sources.
I was speaking of the Eldar race in general like the Corsairs and pirates.


The problem with your comment is that the pirates and corsairs are only a subset of the Eldar race. That's like calling humans vegans, even though only a subset of humanity follows that set of dietary restrictions.

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I'm know that all Craftworlds have different ways of life, but is their a general guideline for how they're run?

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