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Jackal wrote:Yes, resin is lighter, it is also alot weaker, so its great to have a dynamic pose, just not when something bigger than a golf ball is balanced using only a single thin leg and some chain.

I've said it before, but yeah. Those things will need something like a rock nder the bottom belly to support the weight. My ZOanthropes needed to be cut off their capillary tower things and pinned to a base, because even though they aren't big, they were heavy neough to bend at that tiny join.

Kroothawk wrote:
3.) Okay, now they bring extensive material for recently released stuff, and you complain as well. Make up your mind: Do you want material for recently released stuff or not (see point 1). Complaining if they do and complaining if they don't is unreasonable.

Thing was, the Dreadfleet supplement wasn't really 'extensive material' at all. In the old days, WD used to be used to print expanded rules, new scenarios, FAQs and sometimes unofficial expansions. The Dreadfleet supplement was nothing more than glorified sales pitch - it's quite obvious that Dreadfleet sales haven't been as good as GW hoped (at least, judging from anecdotal evidence), hence the need to include a quickly produced supplement extolling the game's virtues and exhorting people to buy it in order to drum up interest in the game. WD is put to bed 6 months in advance, I believe, hence why the Dreadfleet material had to be published as a supplement brochure; it was a last minute inclusion. I guess 6 months ago, GW didn't anticipate the need to have to keep plugging Dreadfleet in WD.

And yet we know that it takes GW 3 months to get a sales mag (WD) to the shops but a seperate DF one in a month.

These time scales suggest that this was pre-planned probaby some time ago.

notprop wrote:And yet we know that it takes GW 3 months to get a sales mag (WD) to the shops but a seperate DF one in a month.

These time scales suggest that this was pre-planned probaby some time ago.

Sorry, I'm not following you. The reason WD and similar magazines in general are produced months in advance is down to the time it takes to gather and write submissions, photographs, proof-read, typeset, layout and print. Something like the mini Dreadfleet supplement however can be cobbled together and printed pretty quickly (its printed on different media and stapled rather than bound like WD - ie. quicker to produce). If they had been thinking and planning about doing that in advance then it would have been in the magazine proper as an article. The fact it was shrink wrapped with the magazine as a supplement shows that it was produced and packaged quickly as an afterthought. One can only speculate that the reason they felt the pressing need to include a sales supplement with this month's WD was due to poor sales, probably because the advertising that had been planned and printed in WD had not had the desired effect.

I'm with Filbert here. The purpose of the Dreadfleet leaflet was quite obvious and it added absolutely nothing to the gaming experience. I don't object to its existence, but it certainly wasn't "content".

EDIT - And if you can't sell a game with an entire magazine in October, than a leaflet two months later is really clutching at straws.

I could be droll and suggest using that wacky new modern invention the internet to promote their products, but I think Dreadfleet did find it's market audience fairly comfortably... it's just that the market audience (for the most part) weren't interested.

On the subject of Dreadfleet- it really is a decent game, guys. VERY fun with a group. You should try it

RiTides wrote:On the subject of Dreadfleet- it really is a decent game, guys. VERY fun with a group. You should try it

Yes, I don't want to take anything away from the guys who bought Dreadfleet and I very much hope you enjoy playing the game and will do so for some years to come.

However, "trying it" will cost me £70 and that's not the kind of money I have to throw around anymore. I am therefore more particular about what I buy and it basically comes down to what appeals the most.

The appeal of the game is where GW fluffed it IMHO.

Flashman wrote:

RiTides wrote:On the subject of Dreadfleet- it really is a decent game, guys. VERY fun with a group. You should try it

Yes, I don't want to take anything away from the guys who bought Dreadfleet and I very much hope you enjoy playing the game and will do so for some years to come.

However, "trying it" will cost me £70 and that's not the kind of money I have to throw around anymore. I am therefore more particular about what I buy and it basically comes down to what appeals the most.

The appeal of the game is where GW fluffed it IMHO.

You could always go have a demo of the game. With copies still floating around stores should still have demo copies around, if not still set up.

A Kvlt Ghost wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:They should have released Warhammer Quest

I'd have bought 2

As would have I. My wife loves WHQ, so 1 box would have been a given, a second likely just for the hell of it.

RiTides wrote:On the subject of Dreadfleet- it really is a decent game, guys. VERY fun with a group. You should try it

Sarcasm doesn't pass along very well in writen form so you really should start using those [/sarcasm] tags if you wan't people to pick up on it.

Not being sarcastic . I rarely am... had a favorite teacher in my formative years whose favorite saying was "Sarcasm is the protest of the weak". Kinda makes it hard to be sarcastic in their class after that and it stuck.

And it really is quite good! There are guys around here who play it, I can totally understand why it'd be too expensive to just up and buy as a one-off... although, I think you can get it secondhand quite cheap now.

No, it really isn't a very good boardgame.

It takes way too long to finish for a beer and pretzels game, and is too reliant on "luck" for it to be anything but a beer and pretzels game.

I'm entirely unsurprised that Dreadfleet is still clogging up the shelves: it's simply not a particularly good game. It's simply too fiddly and time-consuming to be much fun, and too heavily chance-dependant to have any meaningful tactical depth.

If its (apparent) commercial failure - which I confidently predicted months ago - dissuades Games Workshop from launching further boxed games, then I shall be very disappointed indeed.

Too long for a beer and pretzels game - someone doesn't have enough beer!

English Assassin, well done on predicting the downfall of Dreadfleet months ago. You win a copy of this brand-spanking new game from Games Workshop -Dreadfleet!

notprop wrote:Too long for a beer and pretzels game - someone doesn't have enough beer!

English Assassin, well done on predicting the downfall of Dreadfleet months ago. You win a copy of this brand-spanking new game from Games Workshop -Dreadfleet!

Oh! Cruel and strangely ironic fate!