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This IS the same system where people can heal destroyed machines with magitech or by touch.

40K =/= reality - different rules apply.

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"they do no need nutrients just like mushrooms in real-life do not, simply a semi non-hostile enviroment"
What kind of super shroom have you been growing? ALL LIVING THINGS NEED NUTRIENTS. Have you ever seen a mushroom sprout out of a rock? No? well that's because there is no nutrients in ROCKS. Same qustion for your bathtube/shower. No? Thats because there is no nutrients in your shower. How about your carpet? the road? a steel box? a volcano? a desert? No? well that's because there is no nutrients in any of those places -with the possible exceptions of the latter two that would depend on where in those regions and a lack of shroomage would probably be due more to lack of water which they also need.-
Haven't you ever taken biology?

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Actually you're in the wrong on that:

http://www.tolweb.org/treehouses/?treehouse_id=4535

http://www.ehow.com/info_8762118_types-desert-fungi.html

http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:14581048

Mushrooms are commonly found in deserts, popping up after the rare rains and they grow fine in volcanoc soil (though not active lava ). Not all mushrooms require the same amount of water, and not all need dark, cool and wet places to flourish.

Fungi (though not necessarily what we would consider a mushroom) can grow just fine on rock. Lichen, for example.

I've seen mushrooms growing happily enough on carpets, roads, a shower (memorable one that), inside a steel box, in a rusted out car's trunk, under 4 feet of snow...

MakersHitstheMark wrote:[he don't have the "power of the machine spirit" or whatever the marines use.

"Machine Spirit" is just the tech-ignorant, paranoid Imperium's word for "Advanced Computer", heh.

But yeah, Orks probably aren't going to be able to use it as designed. But that's okay, because Marines have far too puny guns on their tanks anyway. Any respectable Mek is going to be able to make it far more shooty, and louder, and more red.


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NL_Cirrus wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:
They were ALWAYS Egyptians in space..............Their only vehicle before was a floating Pyramid.....

They only had 2 things that were Egyptian like, the Pyramidal shape of the monolith and the scarab. THAT WAS IT.
Now they have stupid head dresses and are covered in Egyptian like clothes, and have Stupid Egyptian names and titles like Phaeron, and Imotekh, Like really IMOTEKH! why even put up the farce maybe they should have "Necron Overlord Tut" and just get the humiliation of the Necrons over with!

I can sympathize with Necron players. I think this is a first in 40K where the concept of an army/race was so completely and utterly altered. There have been some significant changes, but never on this level. They were definitely Egyptian Mummy-Terminators before, with all the references to the undead and the look of their vehicles and the old Necron Lord figure, but the new models and fluff take it to a whole different level.

Honestly, I don't like the new Necron fluff either. I mean, if Games Workshop thought it did Space Dwarves wrong when they made the Squats, doing Tomb Kings in Space isn't too far off.

We can argue back and forth about this all we want, or do that 'agree to disagree' gak, but it is really all for not; GW has published in the official fluff that they can loot anything. Until they change this, it is fact for the 40k universe.

-cgmckenzie

I play an Ork player in Buffalo... While maybe not fluff wise according to some in this thread, he has a converted Reaver Titan that his army has looted. It is really cool and briliantly painted. Ill try to give you guys a picture of it next time I see him. He never uses it in games but its pretty sweet.

NL_Cirrus wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:

NL_Cirrus wrote:I'll agree to disagree on what qualifies as "looted."

I hate the new fluff as well. Egyptian robots IN SPACE is NOT what I think of as Necron.

They were ALWAYS Egyptians in space..............Their only vehicle before was a floating Pyramid.....

They only had 2 things that were Egyptian like, the Pyramidal shape of the monolith and the scarab. THAT WAS IT.
Now they have stupid head dresses and are covered in Egyptian like clothes, and have Stupid Egyptian names and titles like Phaeron, and Imotekh, Like really IMOTEKH! why even put up the farce maybe they should have "Necron Overlord Tut" and just get the humiliation of the Necrons over with!

Have you seen the finecast re-release of the classic Necron lord model.....from 2nd edition I believe...................

They have always been tomb kings in space. Trying to say otherwise is silly....




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NL_Cirrus wrote:

Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:Alrighty Loremaster time here, First off all opponents of Necron Fluff are mistaken please reference a story inside the Last Edition Necron Fluff which dealt with an Inquistor using an Odyessus bolter round to track a Necron warrior to his tomb world and and destroy it from the inside. This statement proves that necron phase out technology is hardly flawless but extremely difficult to track this proves that it is scientifically possible for the Imperium fo Mankind to disassemble the insubstantial ghosting effects of Phase out. So to conclude this first point I would like to bring to the attention of these Necron supporters that do this Day the Imperium cannot dismantle or understand how our Ork Technology Works. What this means is orky tech is in a sense more difficult to understand or simply more advanced while being disguised as 'crude' since the Imperium doesn't understand it.

Possible, yes, with their current tech, no. And the Imperium can't figure out how ork tech works because it doesn't. They're Whaagh field changes physics to make them work and is therefor a psyker power and therefor can't be dismantled. All in all if the orks got near, the now extinct, Pariahs their guns would stop working due to no warp connection near Pariahs, Same if they when anywhere else in which the warp is severed from the materium.

The "Waaagh!" field is not a psychic power from the Warp...........

So, NL i wanted to make that last post cut and dry. First off all you're stating are opinions and I like how you avoided all points of plausibility such as the odeyssus bolt, the Xenology samples in the Imperium, or the fact that that orks have thrawted countless techs before you.

1. You're not the pinnacle of tech; no one is everyone is counter-able yourself included. The Imperium has invaded Eldar Tech, Eldar the Imperium, Chaos taking over anything inanimate or living, Tau have invaded eldar tech and so and and so one. This doesn't mean the orks are triumphant masters but it is frankly amusing that you think it's magic. Waaagh fields and tech believe it or not is different. Deff Dred, Killa kans, and Deff Gunz are not wizard spells they are tech, same with teleportation, warp drives, kustom force fields ect. An ork field or the magic you refer to is the ability to fire extra bullets when your out, ramshackling a trukk, moving faster due to red paint ect. In other words slight altering of reality it has nothing to do with why our Snazzguns operate the radioactive core does.

2. You are mistaken, about ork physiology and fungus grows on rocks nimrod (which happen to be full of nutrients like minerals and waters herp derp). btw it takes 1 year for a fully mature ork to be produced from a spore and no matter how you look at it, orks breed orks as we shed spores as we live, war breeds more orks.

3. I have taken Biology classes are you sure you have? The Earth is a permeable barrier in which water flows through it from such elements like limestone, and no environment ever rains, or has dead organic life in which fungi can thrive lol you realize unless we are fighting on a moon or something we'll be reproducing and killing us does that.

4. I regret to inform you that despite a few glorified pics, the gauss tech isn't known for being a vaccum as much as looking like a beam of energy. So I am finding it a bit funny you think every necron will always hit an ork dead on enough to leave nothing but an empty battlefield. That being said, true to mycoidic fungi physical stimuli is what causes us to shed final spores as we die. If war were that easy for the necrons I wouldn't see why the Imperium more or less ignores you guys :p In short i hope everyone is an amazing shot which engulfs every ork without fail or a bit of missed accuracy then my blather about Ork reproduction might make sense.

5.

Your partially right. Orks would not give in to fear,as long as they had plenty of boyz. As for being immune to being crippled, No army -including the tyranids, necrons, deamons, and orks- is immune to being crippled. Unless of course your going to tell me that their "Whaagh field" spontaneously generates ammo when their ammo stores are destroyed. Or help them with mystical artillery when their looted boom gunz are destroyed before the battle begins. Or summon a new warboss from the warp when their leader is assassinated by wraiths, or poop out more boys from the warp when their camp is sneak attacked in the dead of night by flayed ones. No army is immune to being crippled, you just need to know how and what to do.

Please see comment #1 which clearly highlights your lack of knowledge of Waaagh field vs. Tech, not that you should know but the fact you speak so confidently is humorous yet again. Also, you are correct we do no recover from damage to bases like that. But yet you are thinking in shorter terms than you realize.... barring situations in which you imagine a situation that strokes your ego so well that a Warboss is 'assassinated' rather especially considering stats (and yes, I'm sure you'll reference how we have to sleep sometime, and I'll rebuttal how would you know when we sleep?) but sure the necron may win the day but all they do is whip the orks into a brutal glee hearing about dead boyz and wrecked bases. They swarm over the area ready and itching for a fight... if you aren't adopting a more hit and run mentality then you will quickly find yourself being hit from all sides... No see what i mentioned about crippling the forces is predicting typical behaviors of orks and trying to make them crippled bit by bit when all this does is make them go without but continue in some new and confusing facet. If you don't agree that orks are too unpredictable to know what really hurts us most then I ask you to explain Imotek.

6.

Saying Orks are masters of technology is like saying the new Crypteks are master pyskers. One quote that should help clarify here is "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" -I can't remember who- or rather in this case 'sufficiently programed magic is indistinguishable from technological prowess.' Orks are in NO WAYS the masters of technology, and their "crude appearance and mannerism" is exactly as it appears, If they were in fact masters of technology, Why would they even have the Whaagh field? And as for the "grubbins" stopping phase out, I said this before but that is like barbarians jamming satellite signals. Even if they were "masters of technology" their current tech level is too low to interfere with stuff that far more advanced. And if your implying warp powers would help them that still doesn't make any sense because you must know how some thing works before you can stop it even with pysker powers.

Your statement about orks is simply you forcing your opinion on a group of people that don't agree with you (Some who actually read other races fluff and doesn't make their own inferences about us.). Look at your wording man, you aren't even considering the fact that the Ork has consistently matched all benchmarks of technology technologically advanced races have obtained besides things like the Infinity Network and Webway portal or The Golden Throne. And until GW gives you tech listed in your codex worth noting as being as important as these the races i just mentioned will remain more technologically advanced than the both of us. Or do you really think 60 million year old plus tech is the best out there with no competition? If this statement would have had even one piece of evidence to support your insults rather than simply state your opinion i might have considered your message instead I am choosing to continue to treat you the way you are treating these posters. I've read the old school codex have you? Phase out is easily something the Imperium was able to counter and learn from, trends of the universe would point out that it means an Ork could figure it out after enough time and frustrations with failing. And again please review #1 about Waaagh field vs. Tech.

So here is the thing, I've provided references, sources, i could even provide websites and exact pages if you wanted down the road. But to be honest with you that seems like an amazingly bad use of my time as you've returned only a but of dismissive comments about us as a race and how we are silly for considering it. Honestly NL you are the type of person I love to play in the TT because you think we are a simply and dim witted joke army and I have no problem letting you underestimate the Ork Army and it's threats. You are free to say what you will but this just seems like honestly an attempt to say something enough that you think I'll give up, instead i just simply declare victory and will just smirk at all these errors and opinions factoring into your defense of the matter.

Also as a bit of advice i wouldn't bother making a response to this; I don't see a point in wasting the effort and it sounds like I've more or less won the crowd on this topic. Oh and why no comment about the fashion statement? Umad?

Wurrzog just won this thread.........

This is coming from a guy who plays both Orks, and Necrons...

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When they were originally created by the old ones with the innate ability for it?

I'm sorry, but orks are "masters of technology" now?

I dont believe that for a second.

Granted, they have an uncanny ability to tinker with looted tech and adapt it for their use, but "masters of technology" is far from reality.

Im not claiming necrons to be the masters either, but in the new necron dex, orks are given some doomsday arks and when they attempt to open them up to see how they work....they explode taking the whole army AND planet with it...where were the ork "masters of technology" when that happened?

BarBoBot wrote:I'm sorry, but orks are "masters of technology" now?

I dont believe that for a second.

Im not claiming necrons to be the masters either, but in the new necron dex, orks are given some doomsday arks and when they attempt to open them up to see how they work....they explode taking the whole army AND planet with it...where were the ork "masters of technology" when that happened?

Who claimed orks to be "Masters of Technology"?

The Mek boyz have a a pretty good drasp on how it works, but the Orks, like the Necrons....are not "Masters" of technology................

it was said here

Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:Alrighty Loremaster time here, First off all opponents of Necron Fluff are mistaken please reference a story inside the Last Edition Necron Fluff which dealt with an Inquistor using an Odyessus bolter round to track a Necron warrior to his tomb world and and destroy it from the inside. This statement proves that necron phase out technology is hardly flawless but extremely difficult to track this proves that it is scientifically possible for the Imperium fo Mankind to disassemble the insubstantial ghosting effects of Phase out. So to conclude this first point I would like to bring to the attention of these Necron supporters that do this Day the Imperium cannot dismantle or understand how our Ork Technology Works. What this means is orky tech is in a sense more difficult to understand or simply more advanced while being disguised as 'crude' since the Imperium doesn't understand it.

Lets move onto survival of race vs race. Both make valid points but both are VERY mistaken with how the physiology of the other works. I use to be an necron player, their bodies are modified automatons meaning the system would do the best it could to replace and repair damaged limbs from the wreckage of it's own body but by no means was foolproof simply durable. However if we get into the realm of Ressurection orbs the older codex talked about a group of Necron Warriors who were liquified by a leman russ's Battle Cannon (Effective auto killing them) The Necron lord using his ress orb simply held it up and from the molten steel the Warriors crawled out like lost souls slowly reforming themselves from the mystic powers of the orb which presumeably was a small sliver of the c'tan reshaping their golem-lke shells in an instant. Orks will create spores when they die if even a small piece of them exists, they do no need nutrients just like mushrooms in real-life do not, simply a semi non-hostile enviroment (i.e not constantly on fire or acid or the like) even then some orks are able to survive from the spores. Effectively this is a wash, in normal circumstances orks will start to repopulate, but so will the necron you guass technology may remove the ability of a few orks that are entirely evaporated (instant kill) but the traditional warriors guard weaponry flays the skin, then muscle, then bone of the ork the process leaves time to create spores. I would unfortunately gives orks the advantage here in a side on side conflict mostly due to 2 factors (gameplay & fluf). Orks have dealt with the cron on many ocassions and call dem the shiny boyz (referencing their metal bodies) so by no mean is it considered unheard of anymore. But along with this necrons fight a war of endless fear, domination and crippling the abilities of an army one at a time like percise machines while Orks are the not able to really give into these things while in combat. If anything the Necron would see no advantage in facing the orks unless trying to retrieve something and they would just simply retrieve it and move on!

Big mek vs. Necrons, This is accurate. The Orks are masters of technology despite the obvious crude appearance and mannerism of the race. Gubbins or specialty tools are often employed by orks to get the upper hand and a previous poster is correct. History has proven that when you confront the orks with new tech they will try their best to mimic it or reverse engineer it, Look to titans, loota boys, battle wagons and down right to the simple shoota, you have to know at one point someone attacked the orks with Bolters and thus Big meks desired to make Shootas and they wanted to dismantle them to figure out how they worked. Same with melta weaponry, jump packs, teleportation and warp travel all things the ork proves a true understanding of (For a Big Mek at least, 98% of orks ...not so much lol). With the Necron facing orks it would come to this a Big Mek really would be upset he was deprived a fight from ghostly robot cowards. he would probably design an auger/auspex and wait to hear about a new fight involving dem shiny boyz After wiping them up a bit on their planet (against assuming the necron are running patrols or the like, but war is just fine for the big mek as well) he would start to get an understanding of their phase out technology with each use of his nifty little tool. year might pass and the Big Mek completes his project with a grin marking it off of his very long list of projects. He'd try it out, it'd fail. He resume scans until he got it right and should the battle actually favor the orks invading a tomb world they would have the perfect opportunity to loot whatever and whenever they wanted.

Look necron players, I get it you want to feel like you are special and that you are too mysterious and advanced to be looted; here's the thing don't you feel like the Eldar, Tau, heck even the Imperium wanted to say no way we are way more advanced than those clods! Obviously when the idea of Orks looting things was premiered no one liked the idea.... no one wanted to see a land raider desecrated! The thing about orks is this is more or less their life, they exist to bring endless war to the galaxy and the best way to do that is match the tech of your enemies, and have overwhelming numbers and orky power. To your benefit though you get the satisfaction of knowing the orks will never understand the finer points of your tech for example a looted Monolith's power core could be turned into a boom gun pretty easy in my opinion. Just simply overcharge the power into a large point of damage getting rid of those auxiliary things like levitation and portal rifts in favor for a big boom!

personally I think the flame war needs to end here, It's never wise to tell an ork he "can't" do something because he has the uncanny ability to prove you wrong even if it involves twisting reality to do it... i mean just look at the SAG!

Anyway dats my 2 teef about dis runty arguement, I'll take just stompin ya tin heads any day o' da week! WAAAAAAAGH!

Orks are very advanced in technology, but not "Masters".....

Don't let how they look fool you......

NL_Cirrus wrote:By a "Necron Player" I assume your referring to me.
I never said I was against the the Monolith model being turned in to a looted wagon. In fact in my first post -Not that anyone seems to read it- I said

@NL_Cirrus,
I wasn't referring to you directly. I was just speaking in general and more directly at the OP's friend who says it shouldn't be done. Personally, I think that the game is supposed to be fun and it should remain that way. I agree that there is a lot of fluff being written and already written that creates a linear history that we have to operate in, but we shouldn't always allow that to limit a person's creativity. So, please don't think I was criticizing you specifically because I wasn't. I think if the OP wants to model a "Looted Wagon" from a monolith model then more power to him. The downside would be that he now has a 6X6 vehicle that in game terms isn't that great (I personally am not a fan of Looted Wagons) and can be seen from anywhere on the board now. It is hard to hide a Monolith sized model.

@OP,
Model away. Even if you never get a chance to play the thing for tactical reasons it could be an awesome conversion or the start of an awesome stompa.

Has is specifically said in the fluff that Orks can't loot necrons?
If it hasn't, then I don't see why not. Though I would still imagine it to be very, very difficult. And fatal.

BarBoBot wrote:I'm sorry, but orks are "masters of technology" now?

I dont believe that for a second.

Granted, they have an uncanny ability to tinker with looted tech and adapt it for their use, but "masters of technology" is far from reality.

Im not claiming necrons to be the masters either, but in the new necron dex, orks are given some doomsday arks and when they attempt to open them up to see how they work....they explode taking the whole army AND planet with it...where were the ork "masters of technology" when that happened?

Actually Barbobot I agree with you, I think you just may be taking me at a literal sense rather than intentional sense. When I used the term master that meant we had MASTERED technologies which would consider us an advanced race within the 40k universe (I.e. dreadnoughts, teleporters, warp travel, force fields, life support systems, advanced radiological guns, melta technology ect). This was a statement simply meant to say we have a grasp of it equal to most the races of 40k and I think we can safely say that every race in 40k besides perhaps the nids has super advanced tech in comparison to feral, feudal, savage races that exist all over the universe. For example look through some lesser known Xeno races through various books some can't even comprehend laser/gun tech yet. For example I think I recall before the Tau became allies with the Kroot they mentioned the best technology they had was flintlock weaponry ... could be wrong on that one I'd have to double check but I know for a fact dozens of other races would fit the idea of "Barbarians tinkering with tech" more than the orks in most cases.

Let me just clarify this, Orks understand tech well enough to be considered among the elite of the 40k unvierse with milestones they have reach simply just to wage war on the universe. They have done more impressive things than catch a piece of necron tech, as far as the ghost ark thing that is the same at the Imperium giving the blood axe clan a box full of 'tech' that looks an awful lot like a virus bomb that will detonate upon opening... Never claimed orks aren't gullible now have I? though in all seriousness that sounds hilarious i would have loved the to have seen a cinematic of it wiping out the ork planet. Though it only helps my stance that orks could interfer with necron tech because if they were convinced the orks couldn't have why bothering blow up the planet if their reward couldn't be used? Answer, they didn't want to test if they could of not... ontop of that if they did disassemble the tech they might find a way to fight Necron in such a way they could have become a real problem.

So that more or less neatly ties up my stance, this is exactly how the Necron should be acting with Orks. Promise them whatever they want, then betray them so utterly it won't come back to bite them in the rump. This proves the Necron are more intelligent than the Imperium when it comes to dealing with orks (probably cause they fought them in the fluff those 60 million years ago... gasp!) that you shouldn't co-operate with orks... Unfortunately the Imperium has given the orks tech in the past which was promptly used to kill the Imperium after. It is even the way Blood axes defend their stance of working with humies "It's so they can kill em better than any other gitz"

I could quote the true stance of how the orks are viewed technologically speaking from various RPGS, and novels but honestly not a real need at this point. Hope i highlighted I was just referencing they reached those milestones to prove they are technological masters in comparisons to apes or other xenos which aren't much better off tech wise. But i would have probably been a stickler as well.

But no seriously has anyone ever made green skin flayed ones? I think it would be downright awesome!

I get what your saying, I just think your giving more credit to the orks than is really deserved.

The orks are pretty much good at reverse engirneering, but not so much on creating their own tech.

They keep up with the other advanced races by simply scavanging everything they need. I dont think thats puts them on the same tech level as other advanced races.

As for the story of orks getting blown up, I can only go by the context of the story(more of a blurb really)

A necron world who was just starting to re-awaken was under assualt by a ork invasion.

Knowing his troops were still mostly hibernating, the Phaeron struck a deal giving several dozen doomsday arks to the orks. It says that the orks possessed these for several months before their curiosity got the best of them and they opened them up to see how it worked.

They breached the containment core of one of the arks, and the following explosion blew up the planet and all of waaagh! 'Eadcrumpa.

There is no mention of sabatage, only the orks lack of understanding of the tech they were tinkering with.

BarBoBot wrote:I get what your saying, I just think your giving more credit to the orks than is really deserved.

The orks are pretty much good at reverse engirneering, but not so much on creating their own tech.

They keep up with the other advanced races by simply scavanging everything they need. I dont think thats puts them on the same tech level as other advanced races.

As for the story of orks getting blown up, I can only go by the context of the story(more of a blurb really)

A necron world who was just starting to re-awaken was under assualt by a ork invasion.

Knowing his troops were still mostly hibernating, the Phaeron struck a deal giving several dozen doomsday arks to the orks. It says that the orks possessed these for several months before their curiosity got the best of them and they opened them up to see how it worked.

They breached the containment core of one of the arks, and the following explosion blew up the planet and all of waaagh! 'Eadcrumpa.

There is no mention of sabatage, only the orks lack of understanding of the tech they were tinkering with.

Oh that is interesting! Sorry haven't been able to look over your most recent codex but i heard they had a disturbing lack of discussion about phase out in it which has made me wonder but I am sure it's still around. But yeah that is how it works more or less, even in my situation previously I am more apt to believe failures before successes. Dat poor Big Mek just really screwed up lol, don't blame him though for getting curious. All and all glad to see you and I can discuss this on a more even level. Yeah i wouldn't put us on even the list of top 5 when it comes to inventive new technology but I would put us at nearly the top for reverse engineering which is more or less the requirement for us to loot ghosty machinery. So glad I don't need to get long winded at the moment with this whew!

Alrighty I am more or less leaving this thread as it sounds like even moderates of the Necron army believe it could come to pass with enough orky experimentation... though probably gonna take a lot of concerted effort or off planet manipulation (roborks and the like in orky labs or the sort) but honestly I think looted necron tech would look stupid in the first place gimme that Leman Russ anyday of da week it looks way more dead killy dan dat overgrown paperweight!

WAAAGH!!!!!!

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"they do no need nutrients just like mushrooms in real-life do not, simply a semi non-hostile enviroment"
What kind of super shroom have you been growing? ALL LIVING THINGS NEED NUTRIENTS. Have you ever seen a mushroom sprout out of a rock? No? well that's because there is no nutrients in ROCKS. Same qustion for your bathtube/shower. No? Thats because there is no nutrients in your shower. How about your carpet? the road? a steel box? a volcano? a desert? No? well that's because there is no nutrients in any of those places -with the possible exceptions of the latter two that would depend on where in those regions and a lack of shroomage would probably be due more to lack of water which they also need.-
Haven't you ever taken biology?

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Actually you're in the wrong on that:

http://www.tolweb.org/treehouses/?treehouse_id=4535

http://www.ehow.com/info_8762118_types-desert-fungi.html

http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:14581048

Mushrooms are commonly found in deserts, popping up after the rare rains and they grow fine in volcanoc soil (though not active lava ). Not all mushrooms require the same amount of water, and not all need dark, cool and wet places to flourish.

Fungi (though not necessarily what we would consider a mushroom) can grow just fine on rock. Lichen, for example.

I've seen mushrooms growing happily enough on carpets, roads, a shower (memorable one that), inside a steel box, in a rusted out car's trunk, under 4 feet of snow...

The last sentence I wrote was "with the possible exceptions of the latter two that would depend on where in those regions and a lack of shroomage would probably be due more to lack of water which they also need"
I didn't say ON rocks as i know they can grow ON rocks. I wrote OUT of rocks, meaning just randomly popping up out of a slab of granite. I really don't want to know what you did to you shower to grow shroom in it, as for the road, meant the same as rock, as in out of, not on or around -as in growing through cracks and the like- I was also referring to paved roads. And for the steel box, was it an empty steel box or was there dirt or something in it?
Either way my point was mushrooms need nutrients to grow, I was just using the locations and Items as examples that you don't -under normal circumstances- find mushrooms growing there usually because of no nutrients -although the last two examples were poorly considered.-

bombboy1252 wrote:

NL_Cirrus wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:

NL_Cirrus wrote:I'll agree to disagree on what qualifies as "looted."

I hate the new fluff as well. Egyptian robots IN SPACE is NOT what I think of as Necron.

They were ALWAYS Egyptians in space..............Their only vehicle before was a floating Pyramid.....

They only had 2 things that were Egyptian like, the Pyramidal shape of the monolith and the scarab. THAT WAS IT.
Now they have stupid head dresses and are covered in Egyptian like clothes, and have Stupid Egyptian names and titles like Phaeron, and Imotekh, Like really IMOTEKH! why even put up the farce maybe they should have "Necron Overlord Tut" and just get the humiliation of the Necrons over with!

Have you seen the finecast re-release of the classic Necron lord model.....from 2nd edition I believe...................

They have always been tomb kings in space. Trying to say otherwise is silly....

Yes, they were originally Tomb Kings in space, However 3rd edition was very VERY far from Tomb Kings in space -relatively speaking- and closer to their own faction.

bombboy1252 wrote:

NL_Cirrus wrote:

Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:Alrighty Loremaster time here, First off all opponents of Necron Fluff are mistaken please reference a story inside the Last Edition Necron Fluff which dealt with an Inquistor using an Odyessus bolter round to track a Necron warrior to his tomb world and and destroy it from the inside. This statement proves that necron phase out technology is hardly flawless but extremely difficult to track this proves that it is scientifically possible for the Imperium fo Mankind to disassemble the insubstantial ghosting effects of Phase out. So to conclude this first point I would like to bring to the attention of these Necron supporters that do this Day the Imperium cannot dismantle or understand how our Ork Technology Works. What this means is orky tech is in a sense more difficult to understand or simply more advanced while being disguised as 'crude' since the Imperium doesn't understand it.

Possible, yes, with their current tech, no. And the Imperium can't figure out how ork tech works because it doesn't. They're Whaagh field changes physics to make them work and is therefor a psyker power and therefor can't be dismantled. All in all if the orks got near, the now extinct, Pariahs their guns would stop working due to no warp connection near Pariahs, Same if they when anywhere else in which the warp is severed from the materium.

The "Waaagh!" field is not a psychic power from the Warp...........

So they are bending reality how, exactly? -please don't give me a "they just DO" response"-

MakersHitstheMark wrote:

NL_Cirrus wrote:By a "Necron Player" I assume your referring to me.
I never said I was against the the Monolith model being turned in to a looted wagon. In fact in my first post -Not that anyone seems to read it- I said

@NL_Cirrus,
I wasn't referring to you directly. I was just speaking in general and more directly at the OP's friend who says it shouldn't be done. Personally, I think that the game is supposed to be fun and it should remain that way. I agree that there is a lot of fluff being written and already written that creates a linear history that we have to operate in, but we shouldn't always allow that to limit a person's creativity. So, please don't think I was criticizing you specifically because I wasn't. I think if the OP wants to model a "Looted Wagon" from a monolith model then more power to him. The downside would be that he now has a 6X6 vehicle that in game terms isn't that great (I personally am not a fan of Looted Wagons) and can be seen from anywhere on the board now. It is hard to hide a Monolith sized model.

@OP,
Model away. Even if you never get a chance to play the thing for tactical reasons it could be an awesome conversion or the start of an awesome stompa.

I am the OP's friend sorry for not clarifying that part earlier.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Has is specifically said in the fluff that Orks can't loot necrons?
If it hasn't, then I don't see why not. Though I would still imagine it to be very, very difficult. And fatal.

you should look at my earlier post of why "they never said we couldn't"is bad support for an argument.

@Big Mek Wurrzog
Not that you'll actually read this but, I am sorry if I insulted you, it was not my intent.
Also I didn't comment on the fashion statement because I wasn't sure what to say, honestly I don't think dark-ish- green would go well with my color scheme, and since the unfortunate fate of the flayed one model I doubt I'll be getting any :( .

NL_Cirrus wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:

NL_Cirrus wrote:

Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:Alrighty Loremaster time here, First off all opponents of Necron Fluff are mistaken please reference a story inside the Last Edition Necron Fluff which dealt with an Inquistor using an Odyessus bolter round to track a Necron warrior to his tomb world and and destroy it from the inside. This statement proves that necron phase out technology is hardly flawless but extremely difficult to track this proves that it is scientifically possible for the Imperium fo Mankind to disassemble the insubstantial ghosting effects of Phase out. So to conclude this first point I would like to bring to the attention of these Necron supporters that do this Day the Imperium cannot dismantle or understand how our Ork Technology Works. What this means is orky tech is in a sense more difficult to understand or simply more advanced while being disguised as 'crude' since the Imperium doesn't understand it.

Possible, yes, with their current tech, no. And the Imperium can't figure out how ork tech works because it doesn't. They're Whaagh field changes physics to make them work and is therefor a psyker power and therefor can't be dismantled. All in all if the orks got near, the now extinct, Pariahs their guns would stop working due to no warp connection near Pariahs, Same if they when anywhere else in which the warp is severed from the materium.

The "Waaagh!" field is not a psychic power from the Warp...........

So they are bending reality how, exactly? -please don't give me a "they just DO" response"-

The Old Ones gave them the "Waaagh!" field......So yes it is a "The just do" response because that's how they were made...

bombboy1252 wrote:

NL_Cirrus wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:

NL_Cirrus wrote:

Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:Alrighty Loremaster time here, First off all opponents of Necron Fluff are mistaken please reference a story inside the Last Edition Necron Fluff which dealt with an Inquistor using an Odyessus bolter round to track a Necron warrior to his tomb world and and destroy it from the inside. This statement proves that necron phase out technology is hardly flawless but extremely difficult to track this proves that it is scientifically possible for the Imperium fo Mankind to disassemble the insubstantial ghosting effects of Phase out. So to conclude this first point I would like to bring to the attention of these Necron supporters that do this Day the Imperium cannot dismantle or understand how our Ork Technology Works. What this means is orky tech is in a sense more difficult to understand or simply more advanced while being disguised as 'crude' since the Imperium doesn't understand it.

Possible, yes, with their current tech, no. And the Imperium can't figure out how ork tech works because it doesn't. They're Whaagh field changes physics to make them work and is therefor a psyker power and therefor can't be dismantled. All in all if the orks got near, the now extinct, Pariahs their guns would stop working due to no warp connection near Pariahs, Same if they when anywhere else in which the warp is severed from the materium.

The "Waaagh!" field is not a psychic power from the Warp...........

So they are bending reality how, exactly? -please don't give me a "they just DO" response"-

The Old Ones gave them the "Waaagh!" field......So yes it is a "The just do" response because that's how they were made...

True, it's similar to some of the Marvel super Heroes who only have "luck" as their super power and how it can impact more things than just chance. The easiest way I imagine Waaagh is that it's enough to keep fighting when they shouldn't be able to. Guns that should have ran out of ammunition eventually do but a many bullets later than they should, a red trukk going faster, growing stronger out of no where once he closes into combat, feeling fearless in the company of his companions ect.

I love this thread

A good old fashion tin can opening party

I also feel like we're getting off topic here.

The question is: Can Orks loot tin 'ead tech?

Gw answer: Orks can loot anything.

Close thread.

However I do appreciate Big Mek Wurrzog's effort for filling in the fluff details on why. Gork would be so proud

Why would GM want to forbid Orks from looting anything? I mean, the Orks are the only army that can buy models from any of the published armies, lol. Ork players are gold.

Orks: What's yours is mine, what's mine's my own.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:Why would GM want to forbid Orks from looting anything?

Because GM doesn't want the orks making a competing brand using their vehicles design

BarBoBot wrote:The orks are pretty much good at reverse engirneering, but not so much on creating their own tech.

I think you are a bit off here. The SAG, KMB, Lifta-Droppa, Gaze of Mork, Zzap Gun and most Kustom Force Fields are using some sort of pure energy tech created by orks themselves and have no equivalents in other races. In addition, some profane things, like Super-Gatlas, the Grotzooka, the Krusha Kannon or even Killa Kanz are created by orks and unique to them, without being copied of any other races.

Jidmah wrote:

BarBoBot wrote:The orks are pretty much good at reverse engirneering, but not so much on creating their own tech.

I think you are a bit off here. The SAG, KMB, Lifta-Droppa, Gaze of Mork, Zzap Gun and most Kustom Force Fields are using some sort of pure energy tech created by orks themselves and have no equivalents in other races. In addition, some profane things, like Super-Gatlas, the Grotzooka, the Krusha Kannon or even Killa Kanz are created by orks and unique to them, without being copied of any other races.

I agree with about 90% of this, I think Killa kans and deff dreads were reverse engineered from space marine dreads

When we say "can orks loot anything", we're talking about from a modeling and converting standpoint, correct? If so, I'd say sure go for it. We're not saying that orks can adopt the rules and abilities of looted items from other codices, right? That should not be allowed.

The we are debating is the fluff of being able to take anything and use it after hammer massages. It is fairly well accepted that they can be modeled with anybody's vehicles.

-cgmckenzie

So this is effectively a fluff/modeling debate? Nobody is claiming that orks can loot a hammerhead and fire S10 railguns, correct?