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illuknisaa wrote:I fight with my dad all the time and most cases fights are about similiar things like in op's video. While parent's actions seem to be justified he forgets one little thing his daughter had no choice over her life. It is her parents who chose to have a child, chose to give her food, roof on top of her head and a laptop. And they did this because they wanted to. It is like you donated food to a hungry person and after you have second thoughts you demand the food back. Your child has no obligaltion to do anything you want them do or give any respect.
You know this is the exact overindulgent entitled teen attitude that is the cause of so many child "disappearances". Your child has no obligaltion to do anything you want them do or give any respect. Yeah well neither do parents for that matter besides "the basics". But they do or should and so should their children.
My parents and I fought because the didn't trust me because some of my siblings were donkey caves. I never did anything wrong, well not that they knew of, yet they still tried to treat me like I was in the gulag. That led to a lot of fights because I came home late intentionally, (10 o'clock really? I'm a Junior in Highschool the game isn't even over by then) just to show them I was fine and could handle it. You know what, all that time, you better believe I still did all my chores. We both knew we respected and loved each other and did more than fulfill our obligations to each other. Just because you don't see eye to eye on one subject is no reason to ruin a relationship with your family.
there's too much spoiling going on in today's society.
Automatically Appended Next Post: what I mean is, all these kids act like their parents owe them, but are totally useless around the house, yet ask for an allowanc and expensive material goods.
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captain fantastic wrote: Seems like this thread is all that's left of Remilia Scarlet (the poster).
The man was livid. He also must be a chronomancer since he apparently went to college and high school simultaneously while working two jobs and volunteering as a firefighter all on his own. At very least the modern time requirements for those make it somewhere around a 30-35 hour day.
That said, I have mixed feelings about how he handled it. He made his point and she hopefully learned the lesson this time. At the same time, I wonder the point of getting that mad. We all vent and bitch about the boss. And to kids parents are the boss. Was she rude? yes. Was she exaggerating? yes. Was she doing something that no one else has done at 15? no. She's growing up and that means doing stupid stuff.
@ illukanisaa: Respect is earned, not given. Obedience and respect are far different circles. I will not go into specifics, but personal experience dictates that the two are not mutually inclusive. Obedience from fear leads to hatred. Obedience given with respect leads to love.
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Surtur wrote:The man was livid. He also must be a chronomancer since he apparently went to college and high school simultaneously while working two jobs and volunteering as a firefighter all on his own. At very least the modern time requirements for those make it somewhere around a 30-35 hour day.
That said, I have mixed feelings about how he handled it. He made his point and she hopefully learned the lesson this time. At the same time, I wonder the point of getting that mad. We all vent and bitch about the boss. And to kids parents are the boss. Was she rude? yes. Was she exaggerating? yes. Was she doing something that no one else has done at 15? no. She's growing up and that means doing stupid stuff.
@ illukanisaa: Respect is earned, not given. Obedience and respect are far different circles. I will not go into specifics, but personal experience dictates that the two are not mutually inclusive. Obedience from fear leads to hatred. Obedience given with respect leads to love.
Well you said it better than I did. Too bad many parents don't.
Every time I hear "in my opinion" or "just my opinion" makes me want to strangle a puppy. People use their opinions as a shield that other poeple can't critisize and that is bs.
If you can't defend or won't defend your opinion then that "opinion" is bs. Stop trying to tip-toe and defend what you believe in.
At the same time, I wonder the point of getting that mad.
If you thought he was mad you will probably faint from shock when you happen to see someone actually raising their voice.
Oh my, I do delcare I be gettin the vapors! *faints*
Seriously though, he was madder than he led on. The stuttering was the big tip off. As well, the tone and mannerisms indicated anger. He was controlling his anger, but it was definitely there. Raising your voice isn't the real key to anger.
Automatically Appended Next Post: @ illuknisaa: I believe I actually meant that comment for someone else, but I can't remember who now. I got confused and put your name instead by accident or I misread your post.
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Sounds like a lovely video. You should see the response videos with it. Like there was an army reponse. And some jerks were talking about how people are tools of the government blah.
They guy did a punishment routine. I think the kid deserved everything she got.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
We have her message, and his claims, and a gulf in between. Ultimately we have a guy somewhat struggling to deal with a rebellious kid. I wonder where she gets her attitude from given that he shoots things up to make a point.
Surtur wrote:The man was livid. He also must be a chronomancer since he apparently went to college and high school simultaneously while working two jobs and volunteering as a firefighter all on his own. At very least the modern time requirements for those make it somewhere around a 30-35 hour day.
Howard A Treesong wrote:What's your point? I'm not saying who gives the more accurate account, only that both appear quite headstrong.
That you pointed out we don't really have enough information to make reasonable conclusions and then you tried to make a statement on the situation without enough information.
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Billinator wrote:So uhm... How is she supposed to watch the video, when her dad shot her laptop dead? O.o
Do you think that was the only computer in that household?
I take it, you didn't catch the irony?
I take you you didn't realize there wasn't any there? Which is also not an ironic observation, either.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
I think that this was not only a level-headed and reasonable response to a teenager venting, it's also extremely effective. Of all possible ways to address a problem behavior, strict punishment is the least likely to produce further desire for a youth to rebel. Finally, I think it teaches important lessons about how the appropriate reaction to feeling disrespected is destruction and the use of firearms.
All-in-all this is the single most reasonable, effective and mature way he could have reacted.
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Seriously though, he was madder than he led on. The stuttering was the big tip off.
Seriously? Ok then...
Seriously you aren´t a psychologist with credentials enough to make such a statement and seriously simply being in front of a camera makes people nervous and stutter.
All-in-all this is the single most reasonable, effective and mature way he could have reacted.
Going to his FB site and reading about how the story unfolded and what happened between him and his daughter afterwards is great fun.
Basically, yes, it was the best thing he could have done and it worked wonders.
Howard A Treesong wrote:What's your point? I'm not saying who gives the more accurate account, only that both appear quite headstrong.
That you pointed out we don't really have enough information to make reasonable conclusions and then you tried to make a statement on the situation without enough information.
Actually I pointed out the disparity in their accounts of home life, I didn't rule out any conclusions being drawn at all. I don't see that as being incompatible with the observation that making a video of shooting stuff up as a means to discipline might suggest that both are quite strong personalities. It seems a bit of a stretch for you to try and make an issue out of it.
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Seriously though, he was madder than he led on. The stuttering was the big tip off.
Seriously? Ok then...
Seriously you aren´t a psychologist with credentials enough to make such a statement and seriously simply being in front of a camera makes people nervous and stutter.
All-in-all this is the single most reasonable, effective and mature way he could have reacted.
Or he's not rehearsed/reading from a script. Talking continuously for 8 minutes or whatever and stumbling a few times isn't necessarily a sign he's shaking with fury. It's a lot more coherent than many Youtube videos anyway.
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illuknisaa wrote:I fight with my dad all the time and most cases fights are about similiar things like in op's video. While parent's actions seem to be justified he forgets one little thing his daughter had no choice over her life. It is her parents who chose to have a child, chose to give her food, roof on top of her head and a laptop. And they did this because they wanted to. It is like you donated food to a hungry person and after you have second thoughts you demand the food back. Your child has no obligaltion to do anything you want them do or give any respect.
Sounds like the typical entitled attitude of children in this day and age. Maybe someday you'll grow up.
Howard A Treesong wrote: It seems a bit of a stretch for you to try and make an issue out of it.
It seems like a stretch becuase I am not making an issue out of it and you are trying to see it that way. I was agreeing that, fundamentally, we don't have enough information. I was just ribbing you a little becuase immediately after stating there was a huge gap in information you started trying to draw conclusions. It was the proximity of the two statements I found amusing, but not in a bad or mean way. I have tossed in my thoughts on the subject as well so I am I just as guilty. You apparently took it as some sort of accusation or inferred a mean spiritedness that wasn't there.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
As a parent, I generally agree with how he handled this situation.
1. Punishment was promised for continued bad behavior.
2. Subject gets caught continuing bad behavior.
3. Punishment is meted out.
This isn't just a model for parenting, this is how society operates as well. Better to learn such lessons as a child where the punishment isn't long lasting and far reaching.
That said, I think shooting the laptop was a bit much, but that's mostly because I'm cheap and hate to see such a waste.
I didn't see it mentioned here, but the father found out when checking the family dog's facebook page. You see, the family has a facebook page for their dog. The daughter, in her infinite wisdom, blocked her family from her facebook page, but forgot to block the dog. When posting some new pictures to the dog's page, the father noticed the daughters update, and was able to read what she posted.
For those thinking that he shouldn't have posted this to her FB wall, I'm of mixed feelings. On the one hand, I'm not the type of person who enjoys airing dirty laundry to the public. On the other hand, if my child decides to pick a fight in a public space, it's likely that I will respond in the same venue. So I suppose I might have done something similar.
Andrew1975 wrote:That led to a lot of fights because I came home late intentionally, (10 o'clock really? I'm a Junior in Highschool the game isn't even over by then) just to show them I was fine and could handle it.
illuknisaa wrote:Your child has no obligaltion to do anything you want them do or give any respect.
Of course they do.
Your parents have an obligation to raise you in a safe and nurturing environment and teach you how to be an adult. You have an obligation to treat them with respect and trust and obey them.
When you are able to pay for your own living space and food you are an adult. Then you can treat other adults (including your parents) however you want.
As for the bit about parents having kids for their own benefit...just no.
biccat wrote:
Your parents have an obligation to raise you in a safe and nurturing environment and teach you how to be an adult. You have an obligation to treat them with respect and trust and obey them.
When you are able to pay for your own living space and food you are an adult. Then you can treat other adults (including your parents) however you want.
Shockingly, a parent-child relationship is not based on the equal exchange of services. Parents are obligated to their children by way of legal consequences, children are also obligated to their parents by legal consequences (ie. don't murder dad) but not in the sense of being required to trust, respect, or obey them.
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Your child has no obligaltion to do anything you want them do or give any respect.
This is why teenage delinquency is such a huge problem in the UK (in my experience). Kids have no concept of respect these day and assume they deserve everything. This is why we have these sub-human, slum/ghetto animals running around, rioting, acting like they own the place. Murder, violence, mugging, thievery...they are all the same.
If kids have no obligation for respect...well if I was the parent, I would toss his ass out when I was legally able to, and shut down all support to him. Doesnt need me? Fine, live on the street then scum.
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If kids have no obligation for respect...well if I was the parent, I would toss his ass out when I was legally able to, and shut down all support to him. Doesnt need me? Fine, live on the street then scum.
So, basically, your kid should respect you absent any evidence that you deserve respect, despite being created by your whim or accident?
Simply being a parent does not make you deserving of respect, you must demonstrate that you are by your actions that extend beyond procreation, at which point obligation comes into play...maybe.
Though I do find it funny that you're complaining about entitlement while expressing what seems to be a sense of entitlement.
"These damn kids think they're so entitled to things. But God damn it, I deserve respect!"
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