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Round 1 Pairings


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa9gJ0nWdqI



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Round 2 pairings


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WX2bW4q8A8



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Round 3 in HD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMbZeRebZKs

Pic of round 1-3
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a26/Sneekygit/GE%20GT/

So far, so good, man.

I've already exceded my own expectations and won two games! Mathematically still in for a prize, even!

Nicely done with the set up, Dave, especially with chilled water in pitchers (seriously, a good touch) and other snackage.

Resting up for tomorrow's finale.

I even found out that Allan Hernandez is *not* my alter ego (Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hide ... Hulk/Banner) and that he exists at the same time I do. For those in the know ... you get it.

Great Weekend
Good friends
Hope you all had fun



Reece Robbins


Russ Adderson


Shane Hebard-Massey


Patrick Bond


Kevin Oneill

Damn, a 9 for sports? I must be more of an ass than I thought.

Reese can thank me latter for beating Shane and Russ so he could win overall

Grats to all the winners, I really liked the missions and terrain and great players.

I didn't dig the way sports/appearance were scored though as I had all good opponents and it didn't seem fair to give one a "1" (which could potentially ruin their chance of winning) simply because I HAVE to, not because they earned it.

Case in point is Dok getting a 9, he is probably one of the most fun guys I've ever played, doesn't make sense.

Good times all around. Everyone I played was great and someone that I would gladly play again. A big "Thanks" to Dave and Game Empire for hosting the event. I'm hopeful that this becomes an annual thing, as I would gladly play in it again.

Only four Grey Knights players???? The internet says that isn't possible!

Also, those Game Empire shots look snazzy, and way different than the last time I was down there (which was admittedly in like 2002 or something...)

Any battle reports from anyone yet?

Thanks Dave for the great event!

I was a little iffy on the sports scoring too, I didn't want to give anyone anything lower than a 4, honestly. All my games were fun.

If sports were used as a tie breaker I think that would be better personally, but that's just me. Otherwise though, great event and I really enjoyed seeing all the old homies!

Footdar win! Internet, proceed to implode.


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@Blackmoor

And yes, thanks buddy! hahah

I had an awesome time, even when I handed Cooper the game.

Cool meeting Patrick, Reece, Chris, Shane & loads of other dudes. Well, *they* weren't loads ... but , yeah. Fun times.

Damnit Reece, I might just have to have you guys paint my next army. Second from the bottom is *not* okay for me.

We'd be happy to paint up your army!

And I love the fact that they top 5 at this event were:

Eldar
Orks
Orks
Nids
Blood Angels

Hahaha, ah, too good.

Reecius wrote:We'd be happy to paint up your army!

Reecius wrote:And I love the fact that they top 5 at this event were:

Eldar
Orks
Orks
Nids
Blood Angels

Hahaha, ah, too good.

Yep. They only show for spots 9 thru 11 and I beat my only GK opponent. So, is the honeymoon over for GK and 40k?

Or is it just good players win tourneys, not the codex?

I believe the results speak well.

Most people seem to understand Grey knights and have learned how to adapt to counter them namely psydefense and ways of shutting down those psyiflemen .

A few quick thoughts about the scoring:

I really liked the battle points. I think it is an improvement on BAOs win/loss system.

I think that there is some Grey Knight prejudice and that affected their sports scores.

I played the top three ork players and I had to rank them. I like Geoff’s paint job on his orks and they were a fine looking lot of boyz, but Russ’s and Shane’s armies were some of the best painted there so he dropped down the list of paint scores. Russ is very animated and Waughing like a manic, and Shane is more animated as well. Geoff is a lot more laid-back and is more of a quiet thinker when he plays so he got a lower sport score from me. Even though he had a much higher battle point score, the soft scores really hammered him. I am a quiet thinker type when I play (especially after a couple of 5 hour round trip drives). People play this game a lot of different ways. I love Russ screaming WAUGH!!! And I like Patrick’s howls, but should someone really drop down that many points for just playing a good, normal game of 40k? I do like soft scores, but I think they might had had too much of an impact. If you continue with the ranking system, maybe you should cut the soft scores in half. Because the way it is now, someone like Geoff (who again has a table top quality paint job, and sportsmanship wise plays an average game of 40K) would have to massacre all 6 of his opponents to win overall. It shouldn’t be where only the best painted armies with the best sportsmen have a shot at winning. Soft scores should factor in, but not be the only factor.

Brothererekose wrote:

Reecius wrote:We'd be happy to paint up your army!

Reecius wrote:And I love the fact that they top 5 at this event were:

Eldar
Orks
Orks
Nids
Blood Angels

Hahaha, ah, too good.

Yep. They only show for spots 9 thru 11 and I beat my only GK opponent. So, is the honeymoon over for GK and 40k?

Or is it just good players win tourneys, not the codex?

I believe the results speak well.

Not at all. Soft scores made the top 5. Going by battle points the finishers were

1. Blood angels
2. Orks
3. Grey Knights



Allan is right, GK will eat the comp hammer in the form of poor sportsmanship scores, especially when the format forces players to rank 1-2-3. Of course the GK player will eat the 3 spot in all those choices. I'm not saying this is a bad thing. Years ago I used to rail against it, but in my old age I have come to appreciate the imposition of a silent comp system. Ranking your opponents is an old one, but a good one as it gives players cover to make their choice. "the tourney rules made me do it". Personally I like it because it can keep a lid on those spam lists and force some army diversity.

And Allan if you based your opponent rankings on their painting, then aren't you allowing those players to double dip their points? They already got points for painting why should they get more?

If it is a competitive event, soft scores should take the back seat or be more neutral. Bringing a mean and spammy army is NOT sports or army appearance, so punishing someone for beating you and bringing a hard list simply by marking them down on sports and appearance is lame.

Comp should be as objective as possible, not subjective.

And the Blood Angel guy beat the Footdar in round 6! =D

@mortetvie

I think you're missing the point here...the award says best overall, not best General or Highest Battle Points or what have you. In the case of Best General, yes that would leave out people; however, more was going into the event than beating face.

I really don't mind events of this nature so long as they're known from the onset to include certain aspects for scoring and awards. What sucks is to go undefeated and discover at the end you're nowhere near the top spot because of some fluke system that awards the kid full points because he achieved a bonus in the last mission that was worth more than actually winning the game.

Unholy_Martyr wrote:@mortetvie

I think you're missing the point here...the award says best overall, not best General or Highest Battle Points or what have you. In the case of Best General, yes that would leave out people; however, more was going into the event than beating face.

I really don't mind events of this nature so long as they're known from the onset to include certain aspects for scoring and awards. What sucks is to go undefeated and discover at the end you're nowhere near the top spot because of some fluke system that awards the kid full points because he achieved a bonus in the last mission that was worth more than actually winning the game.

I am not missing the point, I am merely pointing out that when you have players that improperly vote by giving players poor marks for reasons outside of the scope of the score they are assigning, overall doesn't mean as much. My point was that if you are giving someone a bad sports or appearance score BECAUSE they brought a rough army and beat you, that is defeating the point of voting for sports and appearance as army composition and losing terribly are NOT part of sports and appearance.

Specifically, by not considering army appearance or sportsmanship when you are voting for appearance and sportsmanship, you defeat the purpose of having those scores in the first place and that opens the door to inappropriate scores being assigned. I used the example above where a player (Dok) who I've always had a great time playing against, who is a great sport in all respects and had a really nice looking army from what would be an objective standard got pretty low scores because of a flawed, subjective scoring system that forces people to give players a low score who may not necessarily deserve it. I mean Blackmoore's grey knights look really cool and he is a nice guy to play and he didn't do so hot in sports/appearance either, they both played GK. Did they get the scores because they were poor sports and had bad looking armies, or was it because they played GK? If people that scored poorly were given those scores NOT because they were poor sports and had bad looking armies, then something is wrong with the scorers/scoring system. =)

DarthDiggler wrote:
And Allan if you based your opponent rankings on their painting, then aren't you allowing those players to double dip their points? They already got points for painting why should they get more?

I am not sure what you are asking here. At the end of round #5 you ranked (scored) your opponents 5-1 in Sports and separately 5-1 in Painting. That is how the sports scoring and pain judging was done.

@Darth

Battle Points top 5 was:

1.) Orks, BA
2.) GK
3.) Eldar
4.) Eldar, Orks

That still blows internet commonly held wisdom right out the door. Orks and Eldar the most represented.


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@Junior

hahaha, yes they did!

I just wish I had more chances to Squig. Here's the break down for my games.

Eldar - 1 IC (Eldrad)
Bugs - 0 IC
Space Wolves - 1 IC
Space Marines - 1 IC & SQUIGGED!!!!!!
Eldar - 1 IC Farseer
Space Wolves - 3 ICs & 1 Thunderwolf Lord SQUIGGED!!!!!


You all will see Zogwort again OH YES!!!

I really wanted to Squig some GK ICs but that just didn't happen this time. I'll be tweaking my Zog list and see you guys at the next one.

Btw, I will make that little baby blue Eldrad a Squig! It will happen!!!



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This was a super fun Event and it was good seeing all the Usual Suspects again.

mortetvie wrote:I didn't dig the way sports/appearance were scored though as I had all good opponents and it didn't seem fair to give one a "1" (which could potentially ruin their chance of winning) simply because I HAVE to, not because they earned it.

My army's paint scored was second from the bottom and deservedly so. My DE consists of primer black hulls with a few lines of liche purple touch ups. Lazy. No eyes or perceivable shading on faces, few details on body armor (one unit only, and even then, it was just ink). As my first opponent said, "Well, it's painted." He was right and I deserve the score I got. I'd bet my toothbrush-flick 'starry sky' sails are what kept the score from the scraping bottom, and most of the *good* painters breathed a 'meh' for those.

The bottom two armies, yours and Danny M's:

His was old school DE in need of a gloss removal/brake fluid bath and repaint. Old DE models just look bad. His vehicles were a tad better than mine, but not much; primer with scab red dry brushing. As a whole, in need of repainting since he probably did them when he was a kid given the broad strokes.

Yours? Missing windows & drivers on tanks, lacking details, etc. Just the blue and yellow without any gems or such done. Like *my eldar* tanks.

The three of us *earned* those bottom paint scores.

mortetvie wrote:Case in point is Dok getting a 9, he is probably one of the most fun guys I've ever played, doesn't make sense.

Sure it does.

Having known and played Dok for better than a year, he wasn't a douche. He isn't.

Damn, a 9 for sports? I must be more of an ass than I thought.

@ Dok, you're not an ass, ass-hat, douche, dirtbag, douche-bag, TFG or Shenanigan breeder. You're just not Robin Williams.

Seriously, why'd you get a low score? My guess is lack of gregariousness. You're a mellow dude. Courteous and easy going. You call your dice. Hold the measuring tape for opponents to see the measure. No fudging. You make a comment here or there. A pleasant player. Quiet.

Dok, you just aren't as engaging as some of the other guys who scored in the 20s for sports. It means that out of the 5 you simply rated "not as fun as the other four guys". On the 0-2-4-6 system, you prolly woulda had a 24 score, all nice games. All 4s for reasonably pleasant games that you'd expect. A 6 is for the wonderfully fun game that you didn't mind losing and you'd love to lose to that opponent again, such fun was had.

You're a nice guy, Dok, but no Milton Berle or Lenny Bruce ... someone more current? Younger? I heard that Richard Prior kid is funny.

Mortetvie, Dok is not quite the jokester/big mouth/comedian I am. I've had years to work on my 'schtick' for amusing people and keeping them engaged in an activity. I think this partially explains why I scored Best Sportsman in the last 4 RTTs I attended at GE Pasadena. And prolly why I scored in the top 9 for Sports.

Mortetvie, maybe you and Dok just need to work on your schtick.

And all three of us need to paint better, too.


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Reecius wrote:@Darth
Battle Points top 5 was:
1.) Orks, BA
2.) GK
3.) Eldar
4.) Eldar, Orks
That still blows internet commonly held wisdom right out the door. Orks and Eldar the most represented.

Yeah, what Reece said (better than I tried).

Dugg wrote:
Btw, I will make that little baby blue Eldrad a Squig! It will happen!!!

Never gonna happen, son!

Reecius wrote:

Dugg wrote:
Btw, I will make that little baby blue Eldrad a Squig! It will happen!!!

Never gonna happen, son!

50% of the time it WILL HAPPEN every time!!!!

Epic dice fail. All weekend.
Played Geoff's 3-wagon Orks game 1. Hit 2 Battlewagons with 2 Twin-Linked Melta's (both in glory range) and 5 Master Crafted TH/SS Termies (yeah Vulkan). Stripped a single Big Shoota off of 1 wagon. Termies got tank-shocked, failed morale, and were escorted off the board. Land Raider hit by 2 Deff-Rollas and wrecked.
Against Duggs 3 wagon Orks (how the h3ll did the Shark end up in the kiddie pool??? LOL) I managed to wreck 2 of them, then held up Burna Boyz for a few turns. 3 surviving Termies then hit the Grots on Duggs C&C objective. Grots do 6 wounds. Termies roll 3 ones and die to GROTS. Insult to injury, Vulkan was Squigged in the middle of close combat with some boyz. Lost that combat on the very next set of dice rolls.
Against Braulio's GKs I set up a great charge on his Termies (I've done this to him before and the setup usually eats all of the GK Termies). He gets off Sanctuary and I fail the charge. He charges into me and wipes the unit (5 termies + Vulkan). After that it was a slow slog as I tried to avoid being tabled (which I was).

Regardless it was a great event with no drama and a lot of players I only get to see a few times a year. for many of us, the last Tournament of 5th Edition. ComicKaze may be our 1st GT for 6th.

@ Brother, sportsmanship should not be on who was the most entertaining, this isn't the tonight show but a duel of honor of sorts =).

Maybe I need to work in some your mom jokes or something...Maybe If I waxed my mustache and wore a bowler hat..

@Mortetvie, I usually get docked when there is a discussion on coming to a mutual agreement on a rules dispute during the game(even if the game was fun). Your a great player but alot of times you will draw your line in the sand on a personal opinion on how a rule works or if they have cover or not and not move an inch. This rubs people the wrong way and I'm sure its why you got the score you did. An example when you were offering rules advice during cooper and reeces game. Cooper asked you to stop (rudely but you had it coming)but you kept on going (even though in an event like this where it is frowned upon unless your the TO). Don't take it to heart that you don't have a personality that people love, I still like to play you (but even I call you out when your being a hard ass). Your tactics are sound just loosen up a little bit.

@ grimgob, I know I could use a chill pill on the rules front, going to law school doesn't help me be less argumentative lol... But maybe some mustache wax and a bowler hat would help? Perhaps a monocle too?

Regarding the game with Reece, I wasn't really giving him rules advice or anything I was just saying stuff like "that would be funny if this happened" and I kept my comments to after they were pertinent-Cooper just assumed I was giving him rules advice.

I specifically remember him moving his battle wagon 13" and shooting from guys that were on board which was against the rules and that kind of irked me so I mumbled under my breathe "I don't think he can do that" and that wasn't intended to be towards anyone and that was one time the guy told me to stop.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback.

As you should know Mortetvie I gave you a 1 in your sportsmanship score for our game. You can look at Grimjob’s post as to why.

Example #1
I shot 3 psycannons at your wave serpent and I thought that the model with the worst view of you could see 60% of your model, and you thought that you were in cover (a situation that happens very frequently).

There are 3 acceptable outcomes:
#1. You take a 5+ cover save like the book says to do whenever you have a disputed cover save.
#2. Dice off for it, which is an accepted 40k arbitration method.
#3. Call the judge over and have a neutral 3rd party make the call.
You deviated from the acceptable resolution methods and took a 4+ cover save.

Note: In game #5 I played Geoff who shot his lootas at my dread and he thought that I did not get cover and I thought that I did. We chose option #3 and had Dave come over and he took a picture from all of the models eye view with his iPhone and then after looking at the pictures made the call.

Example #2
I shot at your wave serpent that was at a 180 degree angle from me. You had about an inch and a half poking out from behind a building. I thought that it was a side shot since I always treat the long curved side as the side. You said that it was the front because it was in the front of the model and you wanted a 3+ cover save. I disagreed and you ended up taking a 3+ cover save for not being able to see the side of the model that I was shooting at.

So to sum up, if you want to be intractable in your play style that is up to you, but you will pay the price on your sportsmanship scores.