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The "best" artillery may just be the American artillery as their top tier gun does the most damage and has the highest accuracy. The Russian gun fires the fastest but has the worst damage and accuracy. The German gun is a happy medium, better firing rate than the Americans and better damage/accuracy than the Russians.

Oh and the tank isn't called "Dracula", nobody in the game calls it "dracula", we call it a GW Panther, now you can call it "dracula" because the thing sucks. Its a worthwhile grind to get to the GW Tiger though, that thing is a beast.

However I enjoy the Hummel because it can do multiple roles easily. It's fast and is my personal favorite out of all arty. This was back in beta though and things have changed, in fact when I got my hummel in beta there was no GW Panther or GW Tiger.

Sorry, but you are wrong on two counts.

First the soviet top arty is the most accurate. Its pretty much laser guided in fact.

Second, the GW Panther is arguably the best tier 6 arty and one of the best arties overall in the game. The half turret, the better RoF than the other T6 arty, and the best accuracy at tier 6, not to mention better maneouverability, EASILY put it as the best tier 6 arty. The S-51/SU-14 are terrifying because of the huge damage they inflict.

The Panther is nowhere near the best arty for its tier. It has speed and that's all it has. Its gun is weaker, by 600 damage compared the the top weapon for the Russian tier 6, and it even has less damage than the American tier 6 arty. The German arty has the worst base signal range of all of the tier 6 arties as well.

Seriously, the American gun does more damage, 1,250 vs 1,200, fires at about the same rate as the German, 2.82 rounds per minute for the American and 2.92 rounds per minute compared to the Panther. The American gun does this with a very minimal charge to accuracy, .41 vs .38 for only a .03 difference. The Panther can run and that's all it can really do well. However, it lacks major gun depression, unlike the Hummel, which makes it miserable against direct firing targets.

The only reason to use the panther is to get to the Tiger which is a tier 7 arty that can pack on a tier 9 gun, this makes it the hardest hitting Arty and maybe even tank in the game. Especially for its tier, I have been one shotted in my Tiger by a GW Tiger, and best of all he also killed a M4 in the same shot.

Compared to the GW Panther, the Battle Bus is much, much better. Hell the M12 is better.

Honestly, than you are probably in the 0.001% of the game that believe its not overall the best tier 6 arty. For champion company battles and tournaments, the only arty you'll see in a competitive setting is the GW Panther. It has a higher DPM than the American arty, is more accurate, moves faster, has an insane turret traverse, and still does great damage. There is nothing the American arty does better than the GW Panther.

At tier 6 for arty, the competitive choices are either the GW Panther for best all around arty, or the Russian pieces for the finger of god gun. There is nothing the American tank does better than either of those choices.

See this thread for people's thoughts on the matter. You'll notice its either S-51/SU-14 or GW Panther. The American arty isn't bad, its just not as good as the GW Panther.

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/95801-s51gw-pantheror-m12/page__st__20

For the 15 minutes max the game has per battle, the slim change in rounds fired per minute isn't going to mean much. Oh and the American arty does have better damage, its about 200 or so points higher. So to say that the M12 can't do anything better, it sure as hell has a better signal range which lets it see tanks spotted by allies, and has better damage per shot.

It can't run as well and its overall traverse may be lower, but if you're turning to hit circling lights then you're doing it wrong.

The M12 has exactly 50pts more of damage per shot, and 40 more metres of signal range. When you add in the slightly higher RoF, accuracy, mobility, and gun traverse of the GW Panther, you have a far more versatile and better arty overall.

Again, tell anyone in the game that the GW Panther is the worst tier 6 arty. I can promise you you'll get nothing but skeptical glances and quizzical looks asking if you're trolling.

I regularly talk about the tanks in general chat and their is no real "best" tank. The German can turn fast and run fast but that's it. The Russian can hit a whole hell of a lot harder but it can't turn as fast, then again if you hit something you won't need to track it for long.

I am not saying that its the worst, just that its a let down. The hummel was a great arty for its tier, and then I get something that can run like a hummel but is useless if it needs to get into TD mode. That's where I find the biggest fault in the arty, it can't protect itself as well as some others because in all honesty nobody tries to protect arty that often. This fact is especially true in pub matches.

The point is, in a competitive environment, you have two choices. You either bring the Russian arty (either one really) for huge damage, or you bring the GW Panther for accurate, effective damage. The M12 offers nothing of real substance over either those choices. Some extra radio range and 50 extra damage is not as important as the Panther's accuracy, turret traverse, and mobility in a competitive environment.

At the end of the day, they're all similar in that they deal a lot of damage across the map, but your earlier statement about the GW Panther sucking couldn't be further from the truth.

With the relatively short play time per game I couldn't care too much about a fraction of time difference for reload, they both fire about 2 rounds per minute. There's also a tiny bit of difference with accuracy, again its not .3 against .5, its .38 against .41 which is not too big of a difference for an arty player who most likely has enough experience by that time to make up for accuracy.

If the only reason that one has to use the GW Panther is to run away from their firing position it means to me that they expect to get spotted. Turret traverse over a long distance is also almost negligible compared to turret traverse at close range.

The American arty is a happy medium that can engage targets that get too close and has decent speed in case it does need to move. Otherwise you need a camo net and a 100% camo crew.


Besides all of this though, I think that we can agree that the German artillery line is the best line overall as it outdoes the others in damage and accuracy in the long run. I have heard that the GW Tiger is the best for its tier and people claim multikills with it, Someone said they killed 3 IS-3's in one shot although he explained that they were already damaged.

The reason that mobility is a good trait to have in arty if for counter battery fire. The SU-14 can be easily CB'd by a competent arty player because it takes so long for it to move a reasonable distance. The GW Panther can reliably move in any direction rapidly, avoiding the chance of getting hit by CB.

Originally you stated the GW Panther sucked, now you're saying it doesn't matter. The point I'm trying to make is that the M12 offers no real improvement over the Panther. The turret traverse is significant for either reacting to a scout that broke through, or settling on a target on the other side of the map quicker and with less accuracy lost due to little to no hull traverse needed.

The German line overall is the smoothest and nicest to climb from what I've heard. The Grille, Hummel, GW Panther, and GW Tiger are all great arty pieces.

I loved the German TD line in beta, and the hummel was fun in the current game but I decided to stay with mediums and heavies for the actual game. The Wespe is a waste of time though, so luckily its only used if you want to go arty from some of the mediums.

I still think that the Panther sucks compared to other arty, but I realize that I'm not going to change your position and you should realize by now that you won't change mine. However, we can agree that overall its a better tree.

The thing with CB is that AP shells don't have tracers, so sometimes it may not matter. I haven't heard anything about the GW Type E, but they say that direct hits are the only way to kill it because of its armor. However, the GW Tiger has the same gun minus some accuracy.


Oh and a release date for 7.2 is out, the release date is set for tomorrow. 3/30/2012. So if you're playing tomorrow expect a lot of TDs to be present, with everyone getting their hands on new TD due to free XP or saved XP.

i forgot to buy an extra slot for the new US TD tree when they were on sale last. :(

I'm just bracing myself for the slew of rage quitting American heavy tank players. The T34 got the nerf bat hard (kind of understandable considering how many there will be), and the M103 and T110 are not the best tier 9 and 10 tanks. Then again, the Hellcat is a blast to play, and the T28Prot and T30 should be good TDs.

I also hit a slump in the game as I just finished researching the four lines I was working on, so I have nothing left to work towards. I want new game types, and the British tech tree to come out ASAP.

As for the arty debate, sure. Agree to disagree. At the end of the day, I don't enjoy playing arty as I found it too boring compared to my normal medium tanking, and I still hate getting hit by ANY arty shell.

Well the T34 is going to be a premium tank so its going to get a huge boost when it comes to credits earned. It might be like the KV-5 I think. But American tanks are kind of meh in general, with the TDs being the best thing they have, Anyways I can't wait to see how everything works, oh and a knew system for "qualifications".

If you do better than 50% of players during the week you get a Class III Qualification, better than 25% is a Class II Qualification, better than 5% is a Class I Qualification, and top 1% is a Master Qualification.

New update is out and so far it looks a lot better than before. New animations for rounds that hit the ground and of course the new skills are pretty cool.

Best of all I got a premium T34 and the M103. The M103's basic gun can do well against any tier 8 and it has a surprisingly good reload rate, but it should because it has two loaders.

So anyone try the new U.S. tank destroyer line? I've been thinking of trying them out but I'm to close to my M10 Wolverine that I don't want to go a different route right now lol


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halonachos wrote:
If you do better than 50% of players during the week you get a Class III Qualification, better than 25% is a Class II Qualification, better than 5% is a Class I Qualification, and top 1% is a Master Qualification.

I got the Class I on my AMX40 apparently nobody either uses it or knows how to use it

I liked the new U.S.A TD but right now I am grinding to the T95. So far I got the T25 AT

Guh, premium tanks are starting to annoy me. Type 59s - I am a heavy, one tier down from them in my Kv-3, and it's just bounce bounce bounce.

Aim for the hull, the type 59 will bounce just about anything to the turret.

Premium tanks don't bother me at all to be honest, I really enjoy fighting the KV-5 as it is suprisingly easy to kill due to its massive weakspot (the MG turret has very weak armour).

I am finding that my KV-3 is much better now that it is a tier VII tank, the extra HP do wonders and it means that I can now tank a huge amount of damage from on tier and below tanks while I can (just about) tackle top tier. The new gun is rather pointless though. The KV-3 has actually overtaken my KV with the 152mm as my most played tank.

I tend to stop at tier V for most things, you still get the dymanics of most top tier vehicles and you don't really have to grind to get there.
A lot of tier V are also a lot of fun to drive; the M4, the Pz III/IV, T49 and KV-1 are all as good as anything you will find at the top of the tree.

Matchmaking is extremely annoying, it is probably the worst aspect of the game, but it has been like this at least since the beta and will it probably never change.

Yeah, I get sick of being in basically the same matches in my kv-3 as in my M5.

There is a reason why I don't play lighttanks above tier II

Hey guys I just download this game and it's running super laggy, even at lowest settings. Is there anyway I could improve the performance or is my computer just incapable of running it?

As far as I can tell, my computer's stats are:

-Window7 Home Premium 64-bit
-AMD Athlon II X2 235e Dual-Core Processor
-NVIDIA GeForce6150SE Integrated
-750 GB HDD
-6GB DDR2 Memory

I take it its not your internet connection (good pings), but just general FPS.

I dunno, but I noticed after they put the clan logos on tanks that my FPS dropped. My computer somehow 'warmed up' to the game, and runs fine, but for a few days after the 7.3 patch, it was unplayable for me.

Give it a shot in a day or two and see if it magically runs better. Minimize background programs too.

Then again, I'm no computer-ologist, so I couldn't really help you short of recommending a better video card.

Now the game crashes as it loads the Garage after logging in. Awesome.

Tzeentchling9 wrote:Hey guys I just download this game and it's running super laggy, even at lowest settings. Is there anyway I could improve the performance or is my computer just incapable of running it?

As far as I can tell, my computer's stats are:

-Window7 Home Premium 64-bit
-AMD Athlon II X2 235e Dual-Core Processor 2.7ghz
-NVIDIA GeForce6150SE Integrated
-750 GB HDD
-6GB DDR2 Memory

Bad specs. Is your pc laptop or desktop? Your video card is just crappy so if you have desktop you might be able to get a cheap videocard for 50$.

Minimum system requirements:

Operating system: Windows XP/Vista/7
Processor (CPU): 2.2 GHz
Memory(RAM): 1.5 GB for Windows XP, 2 GB for Windows Vista / 7
Videocard: GeForce 6800GT with 256 MB of RAM / ATI X800 with 256 MB RAM, DirectX 9.0c ATI X800 can play cod4 maxed @ 800x600, no aa or af
Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c compatible
Free hard disk space: 3.5 GB
Internet connection speed: 128 Kbps

I found a preview of the British tanks that will be coming in the next following updates (before this there is a french update with added tanks and arty). Can't wait to get my hands on a churchill or Cromwell!

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/05/28/world-of-tanks-getting-new-tanks-the-british-are-coming/

The tech tree is here http://worldoftanks.eu/news/2559-british-tanks-are-coming/ It looks a little odd to be honest, why on earth is the Crusader a teir V?

I wouldn't recommend trying to liken the tiers in the game, or the way they behave in the game, to any kind of historical efficacy.

Tier V contans the likes of PzIVs, T-34s and Shermans. the Crusader is simply not in the same league in terms of effectiveness. The Cromwell should be tier V.

Tzeentchling9 wrote:Hey guys I just download this game and it's running super laggy, even at lowest settings. Is there anyway I could improve the performance or is my computer just incapable of running it?

As far as I can tell, my computer's stats are:

-Window7 Home Premium 64-bit
-AMD Athlon II X2 235e Dual-Core Processor
-NVIDIA GeForce6150SE Integrated
-750 GB HDD
-6GB DDR2 Memory

The integrated card is your problem.

The Crusader is a light tank, and it get thrown into tier 8 battles because it is a light tank. The purpose of high tier light tanks is to scout for the heavy hitters and then maybe destroy any artillery the opposing team has and they often lead into the medium lines. I wonder how the non-premium Churchills will perform compared to the premium Churchill.