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I wouldn't recommend it. Nor do I think your reasoning is good.


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Vladsimpaler wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Vlad's just trolling. If he keeps posting in the same way in here he'll be treated as such. Given that he acted as a sounding board/devil's advocate for Melissia I'm giving him more or less a pass for that last post. If he wants to make a real post he's welcome to.

The "you mad" was not necessarily needed, however I was actually being serious about my post. It's unfortunate when one's beliefs are considered "trolling", however I'll just leave it at that. You're also the only mod to ban me (twice) so I know you don't like me, but in the grand scheme of things that's part of life and I accept what you feel about me.

I don't feel much about you. It's not personal, although I admit I rather like Dakka and don't like to see people crapping in it. Feel free to discuss the thread/your past history and warnings/suspensions from me with any other mod and see if they disagree.

Eh, I personally find Woman's day a bit silly.

Mannahnin wrote:His comments were clearly inflammatory and insincere. I write this from prior knowledge of his posting history and from his own public and open admission to frequently trolling.

Whilst I admit I did not know his posting history, what makes it so "clearly inflammatory and insincere", where you are getting, inflammatory and inscincere, I get a witty, tongue in cheek remark that is truer than it first appears.

Slarg232 wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:Women's Day: As if American women weren't entitled enough

That doesn't sound Trollish to you?

No, as said above, witty, tongue in cheek.

Melissia wrote:I would think the rise of male strippers is a better indicator of equality, but YMMV.

I think that would be more an indicator of what men and women like, more than anything else.

With stripping, what matters is that the people doing it are doing so because it's the career they chose, not one they were forced into by a lack of other opportunities. Once that's decided, everything else is people making their own choices.


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Vladsimpaler wrote:You get paid less but the laws work for you. Women can falsely accuse men of rape and nothing will happen.

This is true, somewhat, but is the product of how difficult rape cases are in general. On the other side of the coin, men can rape a woman and are overwhelmingly likely to get away with it.

In divorces, women almost always get custody regardless of how bad of a parent they are.

This would have been a pretty good point in 1990. Modern courts have no gender bias, and the only reason the woman gets primary carer more often than the man is because that issue is generally agreed to by both parties.

Socially, women have a much bigger advantage.

This is so vague as to be utterly meaningless.

Plus, men can work more dangerous jobs which often have more pay as compensation. You wouldn't see women working on sewer pipes and all of that, because they're not strong enough. This definitely skews the number towards men

They control for that stuff, you know. Really, honest and truly you have to accept it is an absolute fact that women are paid less on average than men for the same job. This is just a thing that's true. No matter how much you want to believe poor old men are picked on by mean old women, it remains a fact.

Also, taller men are paid more than short men for the same job, and men with hair are paid more than bald men. We as a species are conditioned to some ridiculous nonsense.

Also I'm an American so I'm talking about how I perceive Women's Day in America. You mad?

No, but Men's Rights stuff really is ridiculous.

Vladsimpaler wrote:
Women after college don't need to work to get married, they get tons of white knights coming after them.

Unless you're a horrible monster of a man (and I'm not even necessarily limiting this to physical issues), finding prospective partners (of either sex) is not difficult.

This is especially true, for both sexes, if you don't care about the quality of your partner. But, since that tends to be an issue, things become complicated.

There's this weird idea that a girl you find attractive is attractive to all other men, and it doesn't make any sense. I've known girls that were shockingly beautiful in every sense of the term, but not found them attractive at all. I've also known girls that I find almost uncomfortably attractive, only to have my friends look at me in bewilderment when we start dating.

About the only girl I've ever known to have a natural advantage in terms of getting laid is one of my exs. She played rugby, and was one of the only cute (and straight) girls on the women's team. Seeing as rugby socials tend to include both men's and women's teams, she got hit on a lot.

LoneLictor wrote:You know, I think sexism is on its last legs now. Maybe I'm just an optimist, but things seem to be getting better. Besides, statistically women get better grades in school and are more likely to be hired than men, which is big step forward from say, 20 years ago. The few remaining sexists seem to be freaking out now and are getting louder and crazier (like Rush Limbaugh).

And this is a great example of 'equality'?

Melissia wrote:

Electro wrote:No, no its not.

Oh yes it is. Just look at the gaming industry for example. Games are made for men, by men. The industry doesn't even have a damned clue how to appeal to women at all.

Horse gak. Genghis Connie is a master of many of these "for men" games and routinely stomps the boys at parties. She and her friend even have this matching victory dance they do. Sweet!


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Mannahnin wrote:I wouldn't recommend it. Nor do I think your reasoning is good.


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Vladsimpaler wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Vlad's just trolling. If he keeps posting in the same way in here he'll be treated as such. Given that he acted as a sounding board/devil's advocate for Melissia I'm giving him more or less a pass for that last post. If he wants to make a real post he's welcome to.

The "you mad" was not necessarily needed, however I was actually being serious about my post. It's unfortunate when one's beliefs are considered "trolling", however I'll just leave it at that. You're also the only mod to ban me (twice) so I know you don't like me, but in the grand scheme of things that's part of life and I accept what you feel about me.

I don't feel much about you. It's not personal, although I admit I rather like Dakka and don't like to see people crapping in it. Feel free to discuss the thread/your past history and warnings/suspensions from me with any other mod and see if they disagree.

In Manny's defense, were I still a Mod I'd ban you, but thats mostly because I hate the name "Vlad." Something tells me you have an unhealthy interest in former abbeys currently for sale in the London area...

Frazzled wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Electro wrote:No, no its not.

Oh yes it is. Just look at the gaming industry for example. Games are made for men, by men. The industry doesn't even have a damned clue how to appeal to women at all.

Horse gak. Genghis Connie is a master of many of these "for men" games and routinely stomps the boys at parties. She and her friend even have this matching victory dance they do. Sweet!

There's the several women and girls that I know that love a large variety of games. My wife and I picked up a second Xbox so we could play MW3 together without having to split screen.

I also disagree that the industry doesn't know how to appeal to women. I can cite The Sims, Animal Crossing and Farmville off the top of my head.

Women's Day? I prefer Redbook.

I love when the majority feels oppressed by the political minority. It feels so... righteous!

It's pretty obvious, that Women have had it rougher for a longer period of history than Men have. That being said, I think Men are finally starting to recognize and feel the pressure of having to compete against women economically, politically, and socially in a way theyhaven't had to before.

I'll be honest, as a man; I sometimes find it a bit daunting. Now, I have to compete against everyone except children.

Easy E wrote:
I love when the majority feels oppressed by the political minority. It feels so... righteous!

There were 155.6 million females in the United States in 2009. The number of males was 151.4 million.

We're the underdog bro.

That's because of this particular statistic (from the CIA World Factbook):

at birth: 1.048 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.04 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.75 male(s)/female
total population: 0.97 male(s)/female (2010 est.)

Women tend to live longer than men essentially. But the ratio through most of the population is roughly equal.

Melissia wrote:That's because of this particular statistic (from the CIA World Factbook):

at birth: 1.048 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.04 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.75 male(s)/female
total population: 0.97 male(s)/female (2010 est.)

Women tend to live longer than men essentially. But the ratio through most of the population is roughly equal.

Which means there is no real minority. that 's a good thing, right?

Nom

nomsheep wrote:

Melissia wrote:That's because of this particular statistic (from the CIA World Factbook):

at birth: 1.048 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.04 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.75 male(s)/female
total population: 0.97 male(s)/female (2010 est.)

Women tend to live longer than men essentially. But the ratio through most of the population is roughly equal.

Which means there is no real minority. that 's a good thing, right?

Nom

The term "Minority" at least in a context where you're talking about things like rights, oppression and status isn't strictly about relative population size.

Bromsy wrote:

Easy E wrote:
I love when the majority feels oppressed by the political minority. It feels so... righteous!

There were 155.6 million females in the United States in 2009. The number of males was 151.4 million.

We're the underdog bro.

Hence the word, "political" before minority. A groups political power is not determined necessarily by their numbers alone.

Just look at Apartheid.

Ahtman wrote:Just look at Apartheid.

IIRC that also used fear and guns in order to keep running.

NOm

nomsheep wrote:

Ahtman wrote:Just look at Apartheid.

IIRC that also used fear and guns in order to keep running.

Women were kept in place using similar things over the last, oh, say 10,000 years or so. That wasn't the point though. It was in response to how a minority in numbers can wield the majority of political power. It isn't as simple as which there is more of numerically.

In divorces, women almost always get custody regardless of how bad of a parent they are.

This would have been a pretty good point in 1990. Modern courts have no gender bias, and the only reason the woman gets primary carer more often than the man is because that issue is generally agreed to by both parties.

Hate to tell you but this is a load of BS, The courts aren't fair for men and women. The entire system in the US is devoted to making men's life harder. And trust me, I am currently going through this. I had 5 witness who saw the child's mother abuse him and the courts sided with the mother. Now the judge is female, and for some reason the mother is getting more time with the child and getting her way. I haven't gotten a holiday with the child since this started. Now tell me that men and women are treated equally.


Now do women need a day? Where is the man's day? Isn't there a holiday in February where men devote most of our time and energy along with all out money to make you happy? If you are a woman (of drinking age) and go to a bar. You kinda run the show don't you. You don't have to pay for a drink and every man knows you are a woman. Gamer women... COME DO YOU REALLY NEED A DAY FOR MEN TO THINK OF YOU AS A WOMAN? This is just a silly idea.

A day to show how far women have come in the history of mankind is kinda on the dumb side isn't? Walk down the street in the middle of summer, If you see a woman with skin showing... We all know you moved forward in the social standings. Woman have jobs, yay... Is one day out of the year to tell every one really needed? or can we call it common knowledge at this point? And are men going to have a day to? something like mothers and fathers day.... and are men going to have to buy things for womyn's day? Are we still going to get yelled at? When i see women in the streets being beat for driving then yes maybe we need to remind our selves that they are people too. but until that day, i'll continue to spend a massive amount of money every Friday and one day every February.

Mr Hyena wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:You know, I think sexism is on its last legs now. Maybe I'm just an optimist, but things seem to be getting better. Besides, statistically women get better grades in school and are more likely to be hired than men, which is big step forward from say, 20 years ago. The few remaining sexists seem to be freaking out now and are getting louder and crazier (like Rush Limbaugh).

And this is a great example of 'equality'?

Yeah, I guess it's unequal. However, sexism towards women is a way bigger problem than sexism towards men, so we should work on resolving that first.

LoneLictor wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:You know, I think sexism is on its last legs now. Maybe I'm just an optimist, but things seem to be getting better. Besides, statistically women get better grades in school and are more likely to be hired than men, which is big step forward from say, 20 years ago. The few remaining sexists seem to be freaking out now and are getting louder and crazier (like Rush Limbaugh).

And this is a great example of 'equality'?

Yeah, I guess it's unequal. However, sexism towards women is a way bigger problem than sexism towards men, so we should work on resolving that first.

At the cost of losing a significant amount of male supporters for women's rights by leaving it too long, as it looks like anti-male behaviour. If we're going to be gender-neutral and totally unbiased...then we should solve EVERY problem as it is discovered (perhaps explaining why there is a rise on female-on-male abuse.).

If Feminist movements could integrate groups like Fathers 4 Justice, then I would take Feminism seriously.

The fact that you can write that is a sure sign of lack of historical perspective.

What does history matter when we're currently repeating history for the opposite gender now? I thought this was meant to be gender-unbiased rather than purely revenge.

Bromsy wrote:

Easy E wrote:
I love when the majority feels oppressed by the political minority. It feels so... righteous!

There were 155.6 million females in the United States in 2009. The number of males was 151.4 million.

We're the underdog bro.

Just means some of us get two

Slarg232 wrote:

Bromsy wrote:

Easy E wrote:
I love when the majority feels oppressed by the political minority. It feels so... righteous!

There were 155.6 million females in the United States in 2009. The number of males was 151.4 million.

We're the underdog bro.

Just means some of us get two

Hurray for de wimminz!

Talking about women as a minority is like talking about arms as a minority compared to legs. It's absurd.
Can't we all just get along, yo?

Does minority actually mean numerical minority?
I always thought it could be used to mean relative social or political power as well...

Mr Hyena wrote:What does history matter when we're currently repeating history for the opposite gender now? I thought this was meant to be gender-unbiased rather than purely revenge.

None of what you wrote here corresponds to reality.

Are you told to get in the kitchen and not allowed to hold many jobs based on your gender? Are you paid less for the same work than a woman of equal qualifications and experience? Is your wife permitted to beat you or have sex with you against your will without it being a crime?

All of those things were true of women even in Western countries until fairly recently. One of them still is.

Mannahnin wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:What does history matter when we're currently repeating history for the opposite gender now? I thought this was meant to be gender-unbiased rather than purely revenge.

None of what you wrote here corresponds to reality.

Are you told to get in the kitchen and not allowed to hold many jobs based on your gender? Are you paid less for the same work than a woman of equal qualifications and experience? Is your wife permitted to beat you or have sex with you against your will without it being a crime?

All of those things were true of women even in Western countries until fairly recently. One of them still is.

And thats bad obviously.

How is ignoring the same things against males right though?

We're not. None of those things are happening to men, and it's silly of you to say so.

Well socially there are several stereotypes concerning men that are overwhelmingly negative...
It's the same for women but at least those are seen and people agree they are a bad thing...