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Women's Day: As if American women weren't entitled enough

LoneLictor wrote:You know, I think sexism is on its last legs now. Maybe I'm just an optimist, but things seem to be getting better. Besides, statistically women get better grades in school and are more likely to be hired than men, which is big step forward from say, 20 years ago. The few remaining sexists seem to be freaking out now and are getting louder and crazier (like Rush Limbaugh).

Wouldn't a big step forward for equality have them both be hired the same

I don't know why but I feel a song coming.
Wait nevermind.

International womens day.
Yep I know about it every year. And most people have no idea when the hell some of these events are.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Women's Day: As if American women weren't entitled enough

Oh yes, we're SOOOOOO fething entitled.

Melissia wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:Women's Day: As if American women weren't entitled enough

Spoiler:

Oh yes, we're SOOOOOO fething entitled.

+1
Agreed. Women are treated less in the states. Its true and it sucks.

Melissia wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:Women's Day: As if American women weren't entitled enough

Spoiler:

Oh yes, we're SOOOOOO fething entitled.

So now that that is settled, we can move on!

Melissia wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:Don't see why we have 'womens day' when we don't have a 'mens' day.

We do have "men's day" (November 19th), but noone knows about it because every day is effectively men's day anyway so it's not really specifically practiced.

Surely every day is a woman's day as well?

Well.. except maybe in Iran or something.

Chongara wrote:

feeder wrote:I was at the peelers the other night, first time in a long time. The crowd was about 60/40 men/women. When I first went ~ 15 years ago, the only ladies were serving drinks and removing underwear.

So there's progress?

Your shining example of sex equality is that women now also go to strip clubs?

I was asking a question. Is the rise of women attending strip club an indicator of rising sex equality? Is stripping now less "degrading" and more "empowering" vis a vis female sexuality? Are more young women "kinda into girls"? One of these questions might be facetious.

I think it would depend upon how superior one feels to strippers.

feeder wrote:I was asking a question. Is the rise of women attending strip club an indicator of rising sex equality? Is stripping now less "degrading" and more "empowering" vis a vis female sexuality? Are more young women "kinda into girls"? One of these questions might be facetious.

I would think the rise of male strippers is a better indicator of equality, but YMMV.

Monster Rain wrote:I think it would depend upon how superior one feels to strippers.

I feel inferior to strippers, when they strip and dance they receive thunderous applause. When I take all of my clothes off and gyrate around a pole people retch and yell cruel obscenities at me.

Ill wax my back next time.

mattyrm wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:I think it would depend upon how superior one feels to strippers.

I feel inferior to strippers, when they strip and dance they receive thunderous applause. When I take all of my clothes off and gyrate around a pole people retch and yell cruel obscenities at me.

Ill wax my back next time.

You could possibly grow your hair out and start shouting in a strange accent, as well. The ladies love that, or so I'm told.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Women's Day: As if American women weren't entitled enough

International Women's Day: A holiday started by socialists over a hundred years ago and much more observed in Eastern Bloc and Soviet countries since then, which ignorant people somehow misinterpret as a sign of modern American women being entitled.

C'mon, man. At least try to keep up. Google's right there.

Johnny-Crass wrote:If you pretend like you deeply care about womens day it can turn into laddies night

I don't know about over there, but here it's generally frowned upon for grown men to ply young laddies with drink and get them to dance around in a darkened room with loud music playing...

...there being a significant difference between "ladies" and "laddies".

Mannahnin wrote:...there being a significant difference between "ladies" and "laddies".

Really? I am suddenly less... interested...

Melissia wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:Women's Day: As if American women weren't entitled enough

Spoiler:

Oh yes, we're SOOOOOO fething entitled.

You get paid less but the laws work for you. Women can falsely accuse men of rape and nothing will happen. In divorces, women almost always get custody regardless of how bad of a parent they are. Socially, women have a much bigger advantage.

Plus, men can work more dangerous jobs which often have more pay as compensation. You wouldn't see women working on sewer pipes and all of that, because they're not strong enough. This definitely skews the number towards men

Also I'm an American so I'm talking about how I perceive Women's Day in America. You mad?

Slarg232 wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:You know, I think sexism is on its last legs now. Maybe I'm just an optimist, but things seem to be getting better. Besides, statistically women get better grades in school and are more likely to be hired than men, which is big step forward from say, 20 years ago. The few remaining sexists seem to be freaking out now and are getting louder and crazier (like Rush Limbaugh).

Wouldn't a big step forward for equality have them both be hired the same

Yeah, I suppose that's true.

Melissia wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:You know, I think sexism is on its last legs now.

Yeah, but a wounded animal is quite dangerous.

Agreed; sexists seem louder and angrier than ever before. They're panicking now I guess.

Melissia wrote:

Electro wrote:Please do stop that. Its not funny.

It's not meant to be funny.

It's the truth.

No, no its not. Its a sexist statement and as long as those are being made you loose all right to claime the moral high ground. Please explain how it is anything more than a bad joke?

Their is not equality in all things, but men and women both get a bad deal in things.

Men are treated worse in courts, education, rights with benefits, children, part time employment, pensions, retierment, healthcare, the media, etc etc.

We need to focus on equality for all not make jokes putting people down.


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Vladsimpaler wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:Women's Day: As if American women weren't entitled enough

Spoiler:

Oh yes, we're SOOOOOO fething entitled.

You get paid less but the laws work for you. Women can falsely accuse men of rape and nothing will happen. In divorces, women almost always get custody regardless of how bad of a parent they are. Socially, women have a much bigger advantage.

Plus, men can work more dangerous jobs which often have more pay as compensation. You wouldn't see women working on sewer pipes and all of that, because they're not strong enough. This definitely skews the number towards men

Also I'm an American so I'm talking about how I perceive Women's Day in America. You mad?

Lower pay is a very poor example anyway. Women are more likely to work part times, work shorter hours and take brakes for childcare. This is partly bad that men feel they cannot take time out for there children ( i used to have a boss who would take time out to look after her children but her non manager husband would not, as he was not aloud to), but also explaines the gap.

Electro wrote:No, no its not.

Oh yes it is. Just look at the gaming industry for example. Games are made for men, by men. The industry doesn't even have a damned clue how to appeal to women at all.

MrDwhitey wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:...there being a significant difference between "ladies" and "laddies".

Really? I am suddenly less... interested...

I chased skirts all over the world.

And then I got to Scotland......


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Melissia wrote:

Electro wrote:No, no its not.

Oh yes it is. Just look at the gaming industry for example. Games are made for men, by men. The industry doesn't even have a damned clue how to appeal to women at all.

I actually had a female character I felt was pretty strong, but then I was a little biased to the lass.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Women can falsely accuse men of rape and nothing will happen

Men can rape and get away with it because of the law.

Vladsimpaler wrote:In divorces, women almost always get custody regardless of how bad of a parent they are.

This is becoming less and less the case.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Socially, women have a much bigger advantage.

In high school maybe. Not in the adult world.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Plus, men can work more dangerous jobs which often have more pay as compensation.

So can women-- and in fact more and more women are, whenever we are actually allowed to (military for example).

Vladsimpaler wrote:You wouldn't see women working on sewer pipes and all of that

You don't get out much do you?

Vladsimpaler wrote:Also I'm an American so I'm talking about how I perceive Women's Day in America. You mad?

I'm far more American than you, being a Texan and all.

Slarg232 wrote:I chased skirts all over the world.

And then I got to Scotland......

I had a good time there.

Melissia wrote:The industry doesn't even have a damned clue how to appeal to women at all.

Orly?


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Vlad's just trolling. If he keeps posting in the same way in here he'll be treated as such. Given that he acted as a sounding board/devil's advocate for Melissia I'm giving him more or less a pass for that last post. If he wants to make a real post he's welcome to.

Mannahnin wrote:Vlad's just trolling. If he keeps posting in the same way in here he'll be treated as such. Given that he acted as a sounding board/devil's advocate for Melissia I'm giving him more or less a pass for that last post. If he wants to make a real post he's welcome to.

Really? How can you be so sure, is attempting to refute Melissia regarded as trolling now or something? Is it because she is a woman in a thread about an "International Women's Day"? A mod jumping to a conclusion like that is not something I would expect. There is nothing wrong with attempting to refute someone's argument or even being a sounding board, in fact in discussions it should be encouraged.

I find nothing inheritanley inflammatory about Vlad's comments here was pointing out what he perceived was wrong with Melissisa's comments as I am now with you, if that makes him a troll, than I guess I am one as well. Sarcastic remark a troll does not make.

His comments were clearly inflammatory and insincere. I write this from prior knowledge of his posting history and from his own public and open admission to frequently trolling.

Krellnus wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Vlad's just trolling. If he keeps posting in the same way in here he'll be treated as such. Given that he acted as a sounding board/devil's advocate for Melissia I'm giving him more or less a pass for that last post. If he wants to make a real post he's welcome to.

Really? How can you be so sure, is attempting to refute Melissia regarded as trolling now or something? Is it because she is a woman in a thread about an "International Women's Day"? A mod jumping to a conclusion like that is not something I would expect. There is nothing wrong with attempting to refute someone's argument or even being a sounding board, in fact in discussions it should be encouraged.

I find nothing inheritanley inflammatory about Vlad's comments here was pointing out what he perceived was wrong with Melissisa's comments as I am now with you, if that makes him a troll, than I guess I am one as well. Sarcastic remark a troll does not make.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Women's Day: As if American women weren't entitled enough

That doesn't sound Trollish to you?

Mannahnin wrote:Vlad's just trolling. If he keeps posting in the same way in here he'll be treated as such. Given that he acted as a sounding board/devil's advocate for Melissia I'm giving him more or less a pass for that last post. If he wants to make a real post he's welcome to.

The "you mad" was not necessarily needed, however I was actually being serious about my post. It's unfortunate when one's beliefs are considered "trolling", however I'll just leave it at that. You're also the only mod to ban me (twice) so I know you don't like me, but in the grand scheme of things that's part of life and I accept what you feel about me.

Melissia wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:Women can falsely accuse men of rape and nothing will happen

Men can rape and get away with it because of the law.

Which is unfortunate, but people also get away with a lot of other things to. Not saying it makes it right.
Part of the problem is that rape has been marginalized by women who nowadays will say that they were raped just because they regretted sleeping with some guy.
From what I've read, I know that it's also very difficult to prove that there has been rape because it's so often one person's words against another's, especially without DNA evidence or other witnesses.
However this still doesn't mean much, because men can get raped too and they'll be even less likely to talk about it.

Vladsimpaler wrote:In divorces, women almost always get custody regardless of how bad of a parent they are.

This is becoming less and less the case.

Melissia wrote:I would think the rise of male strippers is a better indicator of equality, but YMMV.

Depends on your opinion of strippers.

And whether you prefer the idea of lifting up one group or dragging down the other.

Mannahnin wrote:Vlad's just trolling. If he keeps posting in the same way in here he'll be treated as such. Given that he acted as a sounding board/devil's advocate for Melissia I'm giving him more or less a pass for that last post. If he wants to make a real post he's welcome to.

Based on this comment, I can't wait for international men's day. The chance to make all the misogynistic statements I want, and anyone who disagrees with it gets banned for trolling!