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I like the idea of artwork over pictures of a model.

Kinda like the warmahordes cards.

Wow. As of my last post, you were about $500over your goal. now, you're almost $1000 over.
Something tells me we're going to see more than just a Native American gang!

Eric

yeah! Every time I see a new backer, I cackle with glee inside a little.

I did just make a change today, I put a limit on all of the backing levels that include the buildings. For one, so that the GameCraft folks aren't super overwhelmed when I order 200 buildings, and also to make it seem like it's a little more special for the early backers. That might effect the "bottom line" so to speak but I thought it would make things better in the long run.

Hoping they can finish the artwork for the next gang soon.. I'll probably have them jump right into the next one afterwards

Planning ahead now.. I'm going to do the 4 box sets first (or 5 if I get a $1000 backer ) and then a few 2-pack blisters of extra figures for each gang (1 professional or 2 henchmen), and then move on and do a new starter, then go back and forth between starters and blister sets.

Man, I am really excited over this... and I haven't even tested the rules yet!

It sucks you are putting limits on it, but it will be nice for other companies.

Now just buy a laser cutter and make your own buildings! (or buy me one )

hehe .. I'm going to be selling their kits on my website too eventually. Also talking to Sarissa Precision about their building kits too. Eventually I hope to build out my online store to carry everything you need for wild west gaming

For what it's worth....
I doubt I'll ever play your game in the long term. I might catch some starter games at conventions, but that'll be about it.
It's got nothing to do with your game. While I'm not into the Wild West genre, the fact is that I like your game enough that I WOULD play. Alas, my regular gaming group is 40k ONLY, with no interest in anything else and my other group is an RPG/board game only group.
I've got no time for a third, sadly. : (
...and I gave up "collecting" long ago.

That said, I very much like your game and want to see you succeed. That's why I've taken part in your thread as I have. I've got some suggestions that I hope you find useful/interesting.

1) You need a fat guy. Everyone needs a fat guy. : ) A Doc mini would be good, as would a wrestler. If you made him a "leader" type, he could be a former circus performer, like a "strong man" or something.

2) Make a female Native American model. It was pretty out of place back then, so it would stick out pretty nicely. You also might see some cross-sales, since I can only imagine such a model to be rare.

3) I'm hoping a good kickstarter launch will cause you to have mounted figs sculpted. DEFINITELY include one with the native American boxed set. I'd make an individual, too, since many Native tribes took to horseback readily.

4) Soldiers. Are you making soldiers? I hope you're making soldiers. : )

5) Other henchmen models could include:
Bartender
Entertainer (piano player, etc. - something with a derby)
Make some taller and shorter stature models. Not everyone is of uniform height.
Blacksmith

Glad to see this doing so well!

Eric

Don't forget the undertaker and photographer.

Also, would these military types be inspired by a certain bunch of wild men?

NP, my gaming group is the same way. It's all GW and mostly fantasy. Been a long time coming but the fells are finally picking up Warmahordes now. Usually someone will bring by a new game, someone will play with them and tell em it was fun, then go back to 40k I doubt I'll even get to play my own game much outside of cons & demos

There will be fat guys I really want to cover all walks of life. I'd like to do a Boss Hogg kind of guy too I'll be mixing in ladies too, and even planning and all girl gang.. but one thing I tell the artists is I want them to look attractive but not be strippers. Not going for the barely dressed comic book style, trying to keep things PG13 and halfway respectable.

For horses, the eventual plan is to do a series of plain horse models, and then package them with a rider on foot and also another version with the saddle sculpted to his legs, so you glue that onto the horse, and if he wants to get off the horse you swap it with the figure on foot. Then with the generic horses, I can reuse them for other things like big stage coach models and that sort of thing... some day.

There will be lots of soldiers eventually, but not so much civil war types because the game takes place in 1890. But there will be soldiers that fit the time period. There will probably be some mexican soldier types too for that gang. And also for the mexicans I want to make a mariachi band with rifles hidden in their guitar cases, and a masked el luchador wrester Not all in the starter kit, but mixed between that and the extra figs. I'll need to do some kind of special figure every year for Cinco de Mayo

Honestly... I want a gang of.... female entertainers....

They seem they would fit in so amazingly.

I've never really played any Wildwest games before, but Im definitely going to pledge sometime over the next week or two to support your cause.

Have you thought about having a limited edition kickstarter model produced to add too some of the deals if you surpass your 2nd goal?

The people behind the Wreck-Age kickstarter did this to help go from $5.000 to their secondary goal of $10.000, i think it helped attract more interest in their kickstarter and it definitely gave them more start up capitol for their game.

I'd like to do a special limited mini, but I don't know if I can. It costs around $600 to get a mini done start to finish between sculpting and molds and everything, so that's a good chunk out of the funding for something I wouldn't be selling after the fact (being a limited item). Would seem silly to make a mini and just have like 100 made and then never again.

But I do have some other goodies planned. I'm going to get some custom dice made with a little sheriff star on the #6 spot. When I get to $5000 I'm going to announce that everyone that backed over $30 will get 1D6 for every $1500 made in the end.

And I also have another sculpt I haven't revealed yet based on a character from a TV show that I was going to give free to every $30+ backer if I get to $10,000. But he'll be for sale after, so it's not limited but you get him as a free bonus fig

sparkywtf wrote:Honestly... I want a gang of.... female entertainers....

They seem they would fit in so amazingly.

I can picture that...female "entertainers" (period correct of course) moonlighting as a group of bounty hunters, gunfighters, etc.



OP, I really like the ideas you are putting out. With the right support and a bit of luck I can see this taking off. I cant speak for European countries but the people in the US, and to a smaller degree Mexico, really love the wild west.

Actually.. just based on how many figures I've already sold, about 90% of them have all gone to UK, Germany & France. Which is great, but I do kind of worry about shipping charges being so high. 1 little blister to the UK costs something like $3.70 for basic air mail. Hoping I can find some distributors over there once I get the starter sets done.


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I just wanted to say THANK YOU to everyone who has backed the game so far. I'm very excited to see this succeed in just 48 hours! But let's not stop there! I've just updated the Kickstarter project page created some stretch goals for the project, which are:

STRETCH GOAL #1 - $6000 - If we can reach $6000, I'll will be able to fund a third box set. This set will be The Bloodwolf Tribe, a Native American themed gang. Concept art for this gang is still in production, but I have one figure sketched out so far, shown below. I'll update the image as I get more!



BONUS - If we make it to $6000, every backer who pledged $30 or more will recieve specially made, custom Sheriff Dice at the rate of 1 D6 per $1500 generated. So, that will be 4 dice to start with, and the more we can make the more you will get! These dice are ONLY being created for this Kickstarter campaign and will never, ever be available ever again. These dice will be 16mm with a 6-pointed sheriff start on the #6 side. When we have a sample we'll show it here, for now, here is what the emblem will look like:



STRETCH GOAL #2 - $9000 - If we can reach this goal, we will be able to fund a fourth box set. This set will be The Bandidos Mexicanos, a Mexican themed gang. Concept art will be produced and I'll add images as soon as I have them. Expect to see plenty of criss-crossing bullet belts, federales, machetes and sombreros!

BONUS: If we make it to $9000, every backer who pledged $30 or more will receive The Norwegian for FREE. This Hired Gun can be added to any gang, and will have stats similar to a gang leader, with unique weapons not available to normal characters in the game. Sculpted & designed by Pedro Ramos, The Norwegian is based on a character from the AMC show "Hell on Wheels". This model will be available for sale on our website later, however he's being offered free to Kickstarter backers. He'll be available probably around the same time as the Vigilance Committee figures.



Thank you again for your support! I can't wait to see how far we can take this and start bringing you all the best Wild West figures around!

So.... we just reached $6000 this morning, that means the Native American gang is a go! I'm hoping to have the rest of the concept art in the next couple of days. I also have another artist who will be starting on the concepts for the Mexican gang in the beginning of April, so I won't have pics for them until the end of next week if not the beginning of the following. Also waiting on a sample pic of the sheriff dice from the manufacturer, hopefully they'll send me that soon. I'll probably have to get them without the word "sheriff" in the middle of the star, when I shrunk it down and printed it out, the letters were barely readable.

Since the terrain/building kits are a more limited thing, and the $90 level with the kits was sold out, I made a new $90 backing level where you just get 3 starter sets, instead of 2 sets + 2 buildings.

This whole Kickstarter thing just amazes me. Not my campaign but all the gaming projects on there.. I think it's really the beginning of a new future for the gaming industry. There's some really cool projects out there getting funded way beyond their goals.

I just kicked in my bit, and so did my wife.

Thanks! A the end I'm going to email everyone to find out what sets they all want exactly, so remind me then who the wife is and I can ship both of your sets in 1 box

Why are you making this so difficult for me? A $90 level where I can get 3 boxed sets?
WHY MUST YOU TORTURE ME SO????


Eric

Eric I am right there with you. The worst part is going to be putting away money so I don't spend it till then!

edit: Bumped my pledge up to $90....

I'm glad I got in on the $250 level early! I'm a big fan of stuff.

well.. you could always wait and buy a box set separately later when they're for sale, but they'll cost $5 more

When I start to get closer to the next goal I will probably add a $120 for all 4 level too.

Glad to see this came off for you Necros, Sadly I have no one I could play that with at the moment otherwise I'd have pledged, will keep an eye on how Blackwater Gulch develops mind.

thanks for the bump

Necros wrote:Thanks! A the end I'm going to email everyone to find out what sets they all want exactly, so remind me then who the wife is and I can ship both of your sets in 1 box

Will do. Thanks for making a game I can get into with the wife...maybe even our older son too. Let us know where (or when if its not available yet) we can see whats in each box so we can pick.

Got 1 more Bloodwolf done .. hopefully they'll get the other 3 finished shortly

You have a great thing going here I just donated a little but ike excited to see how it all turns out.

Well I will definitely jump in before the 15th. This looks awesome! Cannot wait. I'm going to pitch this to my little club on Tuesday. Its mostly high school boys (not a ton of scratch), but we've got an engineer and a couple parents involved too (after school club, I'm the sponsoring teacher).

Thanks!

If you get a few people from your club interested, you can do one big pledge or if you do separate ones, let me know who else pledged from the club and I can ship everything together.. You might save a bit on shipping that way.

Quick update..

I recently added a FAQ listing at the bottom of the Kickstarter page with estimated shipping charges. Since there's so many different things offered and some of it can be bulky or heavy, I had to do some math and come up with a list that covers just about everyone everywhere.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1763460781/blackwater-gulch-gangfights-in-the-old-west

Next, I'm still waiting on more artwork. I should have the rest of the Bloodwolf Tribe soon, and the Bandidos next week. I just got a sample pic from Chessex for the Sheriff Dice, here's what they will look like



If the Kickstarter ended today, I'd be ordering 600 dice! But with 19 days to go and around $8400 raised so far, I'll probably be ordering a LOT more than that. Which is good, the more I order, the cheaper they cost to get made

I've been getting a lot of requests from people to add more spaces with the building kits. I do want to keep them as a special thing for the early backers, however I recently added a new backing level of $150 for 3 starter sets and 4 buildings. I did that last night around midnight, and they were sold out by the time I got up in the morning! But, some people at other backing levels moved into the new slot, so there's some other openings for now if you hurry

I'm pretty confident we're going to reach the next stretch goal. Once $9000 is reached I will be announcing some other new stretch goals that will include some nice new goodies, so stay tuned

Oh man I LOVE those dice. I hope we hit enough to get at least 6 each. 10 would be nice, but I am not too picky

yeah they came out better than I thought. I'm going to be ordering a whole lot extra just for me so I can have them for demos at cons and stuff.

I thought about selling custom dice like that just in general, but I think they're a little expensive, more than I would personally want to pay if I were buying them at a store. it would be like $10-12 retail for 6 whole dice. They work better as a free promo thing

If we can get to $18000 that will be 12 dice for everyone