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rubiksnoob wrote:Phanatik, if you truly believe that Obama is trying to take over the United States, or that there are serious doubts as to his birth in the United States, or that your adorable dog gives you any leeway to be a complete nutjob, then you are sadly deluded.

First, I believe the government is continuing the process of federalization, of which Obama is the current head. If Romney takes over and continues the process, I'll dog him. Perhaps the left will question his country club membership?

Second, there are NO doubts that Obama was born.

Last, by resorting to gratuitous name-calling, you do not shut me down but say something more about yourself.

In any case, have a nice day.

Yes, he's adorable, but a 117lb mess. He understands mass and momentum all to well.


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Frazzled wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:Phanatik, if you truly believe that Obama is trying to take over the United States, or that there are serious doubts as to his birth in the United States, or that your adorable dog gives you any leeway to be a complete nutjob, then you are sadly deluded.

Hey hey hey! Don't diss cute doggies!

I was at Petsmart Saturday (shop Smart shop S er Petsmart!) getting some Tbone chow and chews for the boys, when a half lab/half pit bull that reminded me of an old dog of man ran up to me in store and demanded quality petting. Beautiful dog.

I was in Petsmart on Saturday as well. I'm amazed that people can take their dogs in while shopping. My dog would start eating food off the shelf while ripping the squeaker out of the toys. He's 10 now, so he does nap more.

Best,

Ouze wrote:4.) The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office is not exactly a bastion of investigative excellence. I wish they were less concerned with their jusdiction-lacking investigation of the President, and more concerned with, you know, investigating sex crimes. But I guess catching child rapists isn't as high a priority for Sheriff Joe, since he's busy helping celebrities drive tanks into homes and shooting puppies.

Wow.

Just...

Wow.

Man that guy is complete and total incompetent gakhead.

Melissia wrote:

Ouze wrote:4.) The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office is not exactly a bastion of investigative excellence. I wish they were less concerned with their jusdiction-lacking investigation of the President, and more concerned with, you know, investigating sex crimes. But I guess catching child rapists isn't as high a priority for Sheriff Joe, since he's busy helping celebrities drive tanks into homes and shooting puppies.

Wow.

Just...

Wow.

Man that guy is complete and total incompetent gakhead.

Don't even have to click on the links.
Mel did you mean Steven Segall or Arpaio as a total incompetent gak?

In the defense of the MCSO the investigation of the President was conducted by volunteers, using donations. Still stupid and criticized widely here locally but unrelated in anyway to the failure of MCSO to properly investigate not just sex crimes ANY crimes in El Mirage, despite the fact the 3rd District MCSO station is literally about a 2 blocks away from where the El Mirage PD station is now. Even before EM was a contract city the MCSO had a jurisdictional requirement to provide law enforcement in the area. I wish we could elect a Sheriff that could cut spending on frivolities and increase manpower rather than crusading against illegal immigration, a concern to be sure, but not when your jurisdiction has bigger fish to fry.

Arpaio.

I mean I knew he was incompetent but to be a "tough on crime" person while also being an utter failure in investigating child molestation crimes, perhaps of the most vile and hated crimes in the world, just utterly reeks of the stench of incompetence.

Holding Arpaio personally responsible for everything every one of his divisions does is stretching a bit, kind of like blaming the AG for scandals that his Department is responsible for.
He IS incompetent, and a doddering old fool. I think if I remember however his is not the only department guilty of this brand of incompetence.
Found it: http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2012/03/20/20120320phoenix-audit-police-unit-cases-kids-handled-poorly.html
So it seems systemic of a deeper issue in local law enforcement. What actually concerns me more is that many of the uninvestigated cases were the children of illegal immigrants. Not a particular fan of that segment of the population, but children deserve protection regardless of their immigration status. There was a quick blurb on the news a couple weeks ago about a 12 year old girl who was missing and suspected to be in Mexico with a 28ish year old man(I think they found her). My wife looks up and goes, "oh, that's Samantha from our school." and proceeded to tell me that similar situations are common! It would seem to me that those cases merit MORE attention...in summary...feth Arpaio for fostering a level of what seems to be racially motivated incompetence. I will defend some of his policies, but it seems his administration is teeming with scandal and needs to be cleaned out: I had actually hoped that Sheriff Babeu would come North, and now it seems that he is a time bomb of his own. Although a gay Republican sheriff in Maricopa County would be pretty epic.

To be fair, if Steven Seagal dressed in military fatigues and smashed through my house and killed my dog. I would be a bit upset cos I love dogs, but a few years later, Id fething piss myself laughing spinning that yarn to the kids.

Every cloud and all that..

Phanatik wrote:
Header: Birther, not birfer. Trying to label me to shut down discussion won't work. It says nothing about me but more about you.

Actually, using labels to shut down discussion very often works. You've tried to do iit quite frequently in the past. You failed, because you're awful at it, but you've tried none the less.

Here's one example:

Phanatik wrote:
Evolution is a fact, not a theory.

Here's another:

Phanatik wrote:
Socialism is the gateway drug to communism.

See?

Phanatik wrote:
2. Have a presser, hand out copies to the media. viola! Sending out a layered electronic document just raises more doubts.

Why would something being on paper assuage any doubt? Printers are things, you know.

Phanatik wrote:
5. Since you have not vetted the investigative experts, they could not possibly be experts? Just, wow.

Not what was said. Without credentials no one is an expert, as no one, at all, has even tried to vet you. And even given that you might be an expert there is no reason to trust you.

Phanatik wrote:
Last, by resorting to gratuitous name-calling, you do not shut me down but say something more about yourself.

Its not gratuitous.

Phanatik wrote:
Lastly, its not your place to ask me to do anything. If you can't stand a provocative title about a hot-button issue, stay out of the OT .

If you can't stand someone asking something of you, stay out of...well...life?

Phanatik wrote:It's just possible that we have a closer eye on what's going on in our own backyard than you do.

It is possible, I'll grant you that. But in the instant case, it seems quite improbable.

dogma wrote:

Phanatik wrote:
2. Have a presser, hand out copies to the media. viola! Sending out a layered electronic document just raises more doubts.

Why would something being on paper assuage any doubt? Printers are things, you know.

I think this may solve the birther problem. They simply don't understand or trust computers and electronic evidence. What we need to do is print out Obama's birth certificate and then fax it to them.

That should solve things, right? Especially after they made that whole stink about the long form birth certificate which Obama produced.

I do find it interesting. It's a great case study in how often a group can be proven wrong and still hold on to their crazy beliefs.

Grakmar wrote:I do find it interesting. It's a great case study in how often a group can be proven wrong and still hold on to their crazy beliefs.

Yes, those 9/11-ers just hang in there, don't they?

Hmm, I'd be more worried that theres one of those 2012 disaster things brewing that the guys behind closed doors all know about, but they are keeping it from us.
This is a sign that hes gettin ready for when the gak hits the fan and needs to guide folks to a new salvation after the chaos.

Yeah.. I've watched too many '2012' movies so far this year.

Phanatik wrote:

Grakmar wrote:I do find it interesting. It's a great case study in how often a group can be proven wrong and still hold on to their crazy beliefs.

Yes, those 9/11-ers just hang in there, don't they?

I'm not sure if this is an endorsement of Loose Change, or a weak attempt at passing the buck.

Grakmar wrote:I think this may solve the birther problem.

Unlikely. Birthers don't give a damn about facts.

They'll just say it was forged, like they always have. There is NOTHING that Obama can do to convince them because they're delusional nutjobs.

Melissia wrote:

Grakmar wrote:I think this may solve the birther problem.

Unlikely. Birthers don't give a damn about facts.

They'll just say it was forged, like they always have. There is NOTHING that Obama can do to convince them because they're delusional nutjobs.

what if it really IS forged? How exactly do they plan to remedy that? I feel like birthers haven't really thought their position all the way through.

Presumably he would be barred from standing for office a second time.

It's obviously too late to remedy the fact he has been president for over three years. A court case on the matter will definitely take months.

Kilkrazy wrote:Presumably he would be barred from standing for office a second time.

It's obviously too late to remedy the fact he has been president for over three years. A court case on the matter will definitely take months.

Basically.

There would be an attempt at impeachment, it would overrun the next election and there would be an injunction to prevent his candidacy.

The net effect, though, would be a political gak storm. Lots of people calling for heads, slightly fewer people calling for an amendment stripping the "natural born citizen" language from the Constitution.

If Obama's birth certificate is false -- i.e. he was not born in the USA -- he isn't a citizen at all. He has never been naturalised.

I think Mitt Romney should produce his birth certificate. Name sounds foreign to me.

Albatross wrote:I think Mitt Romney should produce his birth certificate. Name sounds foreign to me.

MITT ROMNEY WAS BORN IN CANADA!

LoneLictor wrote:

Albatross wrote:I think Mitt Romney should produce his birth certificate. Name sounds foreign to me.

MITT ROMNEY WAS BORN IN CANADA!

His dad was Mexican. He is an anchor baby, clearly not fit for office.

AustonT wrote:Holding Arpaio personally responsible for everything every one of his divisions does is stretching a bit, kind of like blaming the AG for scandals that his Department is responsible for.

Or blaming the president for everything wrong with the country...

Kilkrazy wrote:If Obama's birth certificate is false -- i.e. he was not born in the USA -- he isn't a citizen at all. He has never been naturalised.

I'm not entirely sure how some of the parentage mumbo jumbo works, but I'm pretty sure Obama would be a citizen by birth because his mother was a citizen that resides in the US for X amount of years regardless of his father's nationality. But I don't know for sure...like I said mumbo jumbo.
What I'd really like to know is what would happen to any treaties, agreements, executive orders, or appointments he has made if he was in fact found to be not a natural citizen. It's a ridiculous situation and I'm sure a combination of our judicial and legislative system would thoroughly feth it up by the numbers.


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CT GAMER wrote:

AustonT wrote:Holding Arpaio personally responsible for everything every one of his divisions does is stretching a bit, kind of like blaming the AG for scandals that his Department is responsible for.

Or blaming the president for everything wrong with the country...

go on...

Let's pretend that the people who are off their meds ARE right, and that Obama is NOT a citizen.

What does it say about this country that we needed to elect an illegal alien to catch Osama? plenty of "real Americans" failed at getting him.

Heck Bush Jr. is 100% red blooded American and he couldnt find Osama (not that he was trying very hard, nor looking in the right places most of the time) and we still havent found those WMDs in Iraq he assured us needed to be found before Al Queda got them...

So I guess this proves that illegal aliens do bring something of value to the country.











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This whole hysteria about his citizenship remind me of a certain South Park episode:

AustonT wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:If Obama's birth certificate is false -- i.e. he was not born in the USA -- he isn't a citizen at all. He has never been naturalised.

I'm not entirely sure how some of the parentage mumbo jumbo works, but I'm pretty sure Obama would be a citizen by birth because his mother was a citizen that resides in the US for X amount of years regardless of his father's nationality. But I don't know for sure...like I said mumbo jumbo.
What I'd really like to know is what would happen to any treaties, agreements, executive orders, or appointments he has made if he was in fact found to be not a natural citizen. It's a ridiculous situation and I'm sure a combination of our judicial and legislative system would thoroughly feth it up by the numbers.


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CT GAMER wrote:

AustonT wrote:Holding Arpaio personally responsible for everything every one of his divisions does is stretching a bit, kind of like blaming the AG for scandals that his Department is responsible for.

Or blaming the president for everything wrong with the country...

go on...

Your facts and logic will not avail you!

Are you implying that they actually got Osama, and that he didn't die years ago?

EDIT: If so, then you're wrong.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Hmm, I'd be more worried that theres one of those 2012 disaster things brewing that the guys behind closed doors all know about, but they are keeping it from us.
This is a sign that hes gettin ready for when the gak hits the fan and needs to guide folks to a new salvation after the chaos.

Yeah.. I've watched too many '2012' movies so far this year.

My stance on this is as it has always been; this next election is a win win; either Obama gets voted out of office, the bastard, or he stays in office and causes the appocalypse, the bastard.

What does it say about this country that we needed to elect an illegal alien to catch Osama? plenty of "real Americans" failed at getting him.

Humdrum; everyone knows the only reason we caught Osama was because the Playstation Network was down!

I'm not entirely sure how some of the parentage mumbo jumbo works, but I'm pretty sure Obama would be a citizen by birth because his mother was a citizen that resides in the US for X amount of years regardless of his father's nationality. But I don't know for sure...like I said mumbo jumbo.
What I'd really like to know is what would happen to any treaties, agreements, executive orders, or appointments he has made if he was in fact found to be not a natural citizen. It's a ridiculous situation and I'm sure a combination of our judicial and legislative system would thoroughly feth it up by the numbers

If I remember right, when you are born into two nationalities by "Foreign Affairs", you are a citizen of both countries until the age of 18, at which point you MUST decide to be one or the other. This is what my Government teacher taught me, but that was a couple years ago and I never liked him anyway, so who knows.

If I had to guess to your second point, I imagine that Congress would be such a gak storm of Reps wanting it all to be taken off the books and Dems wanting to keep them on.

If he wins the 2012 Presidential election, Rick Santorum has vowed to have all U.S. Birth Certificates (including Obama's questionable birth certificate) show a birth date 9 months earlier than what is previously on the certificate.

"Life begins at inception, it is nothing but a complete fraud to state that one's birth date is the day the cord is cut," Santorum told a gaggle of white Baptist men in Ohio today.

Under Santorum's proposal, the child's mother must apply for a birth certificate and social security number no later than the second missed period, even though the sex of the fetus can't be determined until the 4th or 5th month.

"This may limit the names of children to Pat, Casey, Leslie and Jordan, but that is a small price to pay in order to finally make abortions worthy of a death sentence," an uncontrollably blinking Santorum stated.

Santorum also explained that there is another plus to this when it comes to adding 9 months to all American's ages is that it will increase the life expectancy of all Americans. The USA will move up to around 28th amongst all world countries. This will close the gap between the USA and other countries with successful Universal Heath Care Systems. "This should help kill Obamacare once and for all," a confident Santorum said.

Nearly choked on my cough drop there. Got a source for that CT?

Oh... Oh dear.

I agree, that sounds more like an opinion peice than a news peice....

And it's also incredibly ridiculous.





Also, you know how I know Obama will cause the end of the world?

Because even in 2008, the dead were voting for him.