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Obrek wrote:Nearly choked on my cough drop there. Got a source for that CT?

If this thread has proven anything it is that factual information is optional and often counter to the mission...

Obrek wrote:Nearly choked on my cough drop there. Got a source for that CT?

Its satire from http://baconeatingatheistjew.blogspot.com/.

dogma wrote:

Obrek wrote:Nearly choked on my cough drop there. Got a source for that CT?

Its satire from http://baconeatingatheistjew.blogspot.com/.

And yet I would believe Santorum would say such a thing...like saying he will out law porn. Way to throw the election Rick.

Phanatik wrote:Firstly, if I remember correctly, you are in australia? Some might consider it "silly" for someone down under to lecture americans on what they should and shouldn't get concerned about. You tend the barbie in your backyard, and we'll tend ours. It's just possible that we have a closer eye on what's going on in our own backyard than you do.

I like how you pretend the two things are mutually exclusive. You can, in fact, know about one thing and also know about another. It's called getting informed. Given your almost hostile approach to the idea of learning I can see how

Secondly, this administration has shown a willingness to operate outside of the law, so we can go "hmm" whenever we want to when he does something. And in general, the federal government since the civil war has been grasping more and more power, so yes it could be said to be yet another step.

Yes, but unfortunately any conversation about Obama's actual reaches of power is drowned out by people with tinfoil hats running around yelling about stupid nonsense like the story in your OP.

This is the point I've been making for three posts now, that you've been doing absolutely everything in your power to ignore. By posting insane nonsense like the original story, you stop people paying attention to real issues about government increases in power.

Lastly, its not your place to ask me to do anything. If you can't stand a provocative title about a hot-button issue, stay out of the OT .

It's not my place to tell you to read other people's posts, that's true. But it's amazing that you don't do it, and are completely unashamed about the fact that you don't even bother to read the opening line of someone's post before you reply to them.

It makes it fairly clear that you have no interest in actually learning how anything works, you'd rather just set people up as the enemy, guess what they mean and yell at them to make yourself feel good. Which, in turn, makes it fairly clear how you've ended up having such ridiculous political beliefs.


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Slarg232 wrote:If I remember right, when you are born into two nationalities by "Foreign Affairs", you are a citizen of both countries until the age of 18, at which point you MUST decide to be one or the other. This is what my Government teacher taught me, but that was a couple years ago and I never liked him anyway, so who knows.

Lots of countries allow for dual-citizenship, including the USA. For instance, if I was born in the USA to Israeli parents, I could be both a citizen of Israel and the USA.

However, if a person wanted to become a naturalised citizen of the USA he would have to renounce citizenship of his former country. Weirdly enough, though, in most cases his home country won't care that he renounced his former citizenship. For instance, if I went to the USA to live and after a time became a US citizen I would have to renounce my Australian citizenship, but Australia wouldn't actually care that I'd renounced it, and I'd remain an Australian citizen as well.


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CT GAMER wrote:

"Life begins at inception, it is nothing but a complete fraud to state that one's birth date is the day the cord is cut," Santorum told a gaggle of white Baptist men in Ohio today.

Genius!

CT GAMER wrote:

Obrek wrote:Nearly choked on my cough drop there. Got a source for that CT?

If this thread has proven anything it is that factual information is optional and often counter to the mission...

While I do believe that in any serious discussion any quote attributed to someone else needs a citation I am aware the average person does not share this belief. I just like to know where these things come from to help my understanding and to use should I choose to quote the same passage in a future conversation.

dogma wrote:

Obrek wrote:Nearly choked on my cough drop there. Got a source for that CT?

Its satire from http://baconeatingatheistjew.blogspot.com/.

Thanks Dogma.

In the interests of intellectual discussion and upholding my hope that some of you are respectful human beings, how about we discuss the ramifications and applications of the Disaster Preparedness Order.

I don't know anything about this DPO, but it reminds me of WW2 rationing of things like tires, oil and some types of food. So the President will have the power to ration, maybe even cut off, things like these instead of Congress. What I'm wondering is who decides what constitutes an emergency, and is there a time limit or does that same person decide when the emergency is over? How important is it that the President has power over this? I assumed that Congress has always had the power to ration important resources, so this appears to be a transfer of that power.

AustonT wrote:

dogma wrote:

Obrek wrote:Nearly choked on my cough drop there. Got a source for that CT?

Its satire from http://baconeatingatheistjew.blogspot.com/.

And yet I would believe Santorum would say such a thing...like saying he will out law porn. Way to throw the election Rick.

Yeah, the only reason I even went to find a source is because it seemed like something Santorum might say.

AustonT wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:If Obama's birth certificate is false -- i.e. he was not born in the USA -- he isn't a citizen at all. He has never been naturalised.

I'm not entirely sure how some of the parentage mumbo jumbo works, but I'm pretty sure Obama would be a citizen by birth because his mother was a citizen that resides in the US for X amount of years regardless of his father's nationality.

That's the best part of this whole stupid birfer nonsense. It's totally irrelevant where he was born.

Take a look at section C. The law is clear, short, and utterly unambiguous: Obama could have been born on Mars and would still be a US citizen as his mother was a citizen who was born in the US and had lived there 25 years.

Ouze wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:If Obama's birth certificate is false -- i.e. he was not born in the USA -- he isn't a citizen at all. He has never been naturalised.

I'm not entirely sure how some of the parentage mumbo jumbo works, but I'm pretty sure Obama would be a citizen by birth because his mother was a citizen that resides in the US for X amount of years regardless of his father's nationality.

That's the best part of this whole stupid birfer nonsense. It's totally irrelevant where he was born.

Take a look at section C. The law is clear, short, and utterly unambiguous: Obama could have been born on Mars and would still be a US citizen as his mother was a citizen who was born in the US and had lived there 25 years.

The larger issue that the birther "issue" really stems from is the disputed nature of what constitutes an American citizen.

I imagine most birthers would object to the vast majority of provisions by which a person acquires birthright citizenship, if not all of them.

mattyrm wrote: To be fair, if Steven Seagal dressed in military fatigues and smashed through my house and killed my dog. I would be a bit upset cos I love dogs, but a few years later, Id fething piss myself laughing spinning that yarn to the kids.

Every cloud and all that..

It would be a great story later, that's undeniable.

dogma wrote:I imagine most birthers would object to the vast majority of provisions by which a person acquires birthright citizenship, if not all of them.

I'm not sure they would, to be honest. The fact that so few birthers are actually aware of what would qualify as a natural born citizen (and how poorly defined that term actually is) tells you how little interest there is in actually enforcing constitutional requirements.

It's just a gut level, base thing. "I don't like Obama, I don't think he should be President, therefore I choose to believe in this thing that suggests he is not really President."

sebster wrote:It's just a gut level, base thing. "I don't like Obama, I don't think he should be President, therefore I choose to believe in this thing that suggests he is not really President."

Have you ever seen the dude? He's black as hell. Clearly he could not be American. Also, has anyone yet pointed out that his middle name is Hussein?

Slarg232 wrote:Also, you know how I know Obama will cause the end of the world?

Because even in 2008, the dead were voting for him.

I'm not sure that's an indicator of the end of the world. Dead people have been voting for decades, at least. And the best part for them, they don't even have to rise from their graves to do it.

Now, when the dead start rising from their graves to vote, then we've got some full on Revelations type end-of-the-world shenannigans.

Obama has to be one of the ten lightest black guys I have ever seen.

Amaya wrote:Obama has to be one of the ten lightest black guys I have ever seen.

Well, I'm using the "police definition" of being black - "If you're not white, you're black".

Ouze wrote:
Well, I'm using the "police definition" of being black - "If you're not white, you're black".

What a fethed up comment. "Police Definition"? Please. I have a brother who is a cop in Houston that laughs at ignorant statements like this.

CptJake wrote:What a fethed up comment. "Police Definition"? Please. I have a brother who is a cop in Houston that laughs at ignorant statements like this.

I am to please, certainly.

Slarg232 wrote:If I remember right, when you are born into two nationalities by "Foreign Affairs", you are a citizen of both countries until the age of 18, at which point you MUST decide to be one or the other. This is what my Government teacher taught me, but that was a couple years ago and I never liked him anyway, so who knows.

No need to choose. My little sister was born in England to two American Citizens (my parents, naturally). She remains a citizen of both countries, and is well past the age of 18.

CptJake wrote:

Ouze wrote:
Well, I'm using the "police definition" of being black - "If you're not white, you're black".

What a fethed up comment. "Police Definition"? Please. I have a brother who is a cop in Houston that laughs at ignorant statements like this.

I have a cousin's friend's sister's boyfriend who is a SWAT team member in Springfield who would laugh at your brother's naivete for laughing at ignorant statements like that.


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streamdragon wrote:No need to choose. My little sister was born in England to two American Citizens (my parents, naturally). She remains a citizen of both countries, and is well past the age of 18.

Sounds suspicious, maybe a sleeper agent.

Ahtman wrote:

CptJake wrote:

Ouze wrote:
Well, I'm using the "police definition" of being black - "If you're not white, you're black".

What a fethed up comment. "Police Definition"? Please. I have a brother who is a cop in Houston that laughs at ignorant statements like this.

I have a cousin's friend's sister's boyfriend who is a SWAT team member in Springfield who would laugh at your brother's naivete for laughing at ignorant statements like that.


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streamdragon wrote:No need to choose. My little sister was born in England to two American Citizens (my parents, naturally). She remains a citizen of both countries, and is well past the age of 18.

Sounds suspicious, maybe a sleeper agent.

Best send her to Gitmo, just to be sure.

Wait, what about the children who were prematurely born or the ones that spent longer in the uterus than normal?

<-- Late getting to the topic, is referring to santorum's nutty little birth certificate change thing

Melissia wrote:Wait, what about the children who were prematurely born or the ones that spent longer in the uterus than normal?

<-- Late getting to the topic, is referring to santorum's nutty little birth certificate change thing

That was satire. He didn't actually say it.

Oh.

It was good satire then cause I believed it.

Ouze wrote:Have you ever seen the dude? He's black as hell. Clearly he could not be American. Also, has anyone yet pointed out that his middle name is Hussein?

That's certainly part of it, but it's also just because he's a Democrat, and a lot of people have been told for decades now that Democrats are unimaginable evil and must not be allowed in the White House. So when one wins it's pretty easy to start believing stupid nonsense about them. Clinton had some pretty ridiculous stuff as well, and he wasn't black.

Mind you, so did Bush, so it isn't just a Republican thing, though it's pretty clear they're a fair bit worse at it.

streamdragon wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:If I remember right, when you are born into two nationalities by "Foreign Affairs", you are a citizen of both countries until the age of 18, at which point you MUST decide to be one or the other. This is what my Government teacher taught me, but that was a couple years ago and I never liked him anyway, so who knows.

No need to choose. My little sister was born in England to two American Citizens (my parents, naturally). She remains a citizen of both countries, and is well past the age of 18.

Might depend on certain definitions and certain countries. The United States doesn't have any provisions for making you choose if you are born with two citizenships. I cannot speak for people who become naturalized at a later age, but from the US perspective there is no need to pick once you hit 18.

My second citizenship is German, and from the perspective of Germany there is no provision for having to choose either.

One of the way the laws are applied is that while you are in one of your native countries, you are under full juristiction of that country. As far as the US is concerned, while I am in the US I am 100% American. While I am in Germany I am 100% German. As to the rest of the world I could claim one or both for practical purposes. That means that if I get in trouble in the US and get thrown in jail, I cannot call the German embassy and ask for help as a German citizen. Same scenario applies when I am in Germany, no calling the US embassy to bail me out of legal problems.

When I am traveling, I usually travel as a German. One of the main reason is that if I get kidnapped by some hostile country and they demand some cash for my release, I can usually find myself free in a reasonable amount of time even though nobody in the German government will admit to paying anybody anything. Of course the USA doesn't negotiate with terorrists, so being German is the way to go there . American citizens are not allowed to smoke Cuban cigars even if they are in a country where they are legal. So when in Europe I always enjoy being German while smoking the good stuff.

No one enforces the restriction against smoking Cubans. Just like no one presently enforces the US requirement to renounce other citizenship when you turn 18.

You're dead-on about the legal part, though. If you do have dual citizenship, your other citizenship is completely ignored while you're in one of those countries.

You did leave out both the real benefits of retaining your EU citizenship; getting to use the shorter airport security lines while you're in Europe, and having a much easier time getting a job, because you don't need a work visa.

O WOOO, more Obama bashing. To bad guys, with the crap the republicans are putting out, Obama's in for another four more years.

Mannahnin wrote:No one enforces the restriction against smoking Cubans.

We don't even really enforce the travel ban.

"There appear to be staple holes in your passport."
"My word! However could they have gotten there?!?"

Mannahnin wrote:
You did leave out both the real benefits of retaining your EU citizenship; getting to use the shorter airport security lines while you're in Europe, and having a much easier time getting a job, because you don't need a work visa.

Ugh, don't remind me. I've been trying for a French work visa (well, their ridiculous equivalent of one) for the better part of a year.

Yeah, I've been tempted to get a Bulgarian passport since they joined the EU; I just don't want to put in the work to learn the language.

Mannahnin wrote:No one enforces the restriction against smoking Cubans. Just like no one presently enforces the US requirement to renounce other citizenship when you turn 18.

There is really no US requirement to renounce other citizenships aquired at birth.

Mannahnin wrote:You're dead-on about the legal part, though. If you do have dual citizenship, your other citizenship is completely ignored while you're in one of those countries.

You did leave out both the real benefits of retaining your EU citizenship; getting to use the shorter airport security lines while you're in Europe, and having a much easier time getting a job, because you don't need a work visa.

It is also fun when the Border Patrol tries to figure out why you have no entry/exit stamps in your passport when coming back into the US. Most of them seem to have a clue, but some are really messed up by it. You think there would be better training. Being able to work anywhere in Europe is a plus as well, and not needing a resident visa either if I want to live anywhere there.

There used to be a requirement. Nowadays it isn't, but they can revoke your US citizenship if they have reason to believe you've renounced it.