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CthuluIsSpy wrote:...yeah, ok NOW it makes sense.
Good on ye, Eisenhorn.

Wait hold a sec...why is there a mutie inquisitor? I thought they hate muties.

He was a corrupt and fallen inquisitor. He did not always look that way.

Well, that was a fairly normal mutation, then.

Durza wrote:Surely collapsing the Eye would have been a terrible move to make anyway. It would have given the Traitor legions an infinite number of ways not to go through the Cadian gate in order to get to the Imperium.

Provided their planets and fleets don't get destroyed when the Eye collapses. Those planets and a lot of their ships are kept together only by the power of the warp.

Nurgle wrote:The Emperor's plan was to stop worship of religion so zealotry would die out much faster. When Logar popped up and started the whole Emperors church thing thats when it all went down hill. Next thing you know Horus has some major daddy problems and the heresy starts. So my thoughts are think of the Emperor as well... a Emperor and not a god made flesh and eventually chaos will starve.
eventually....

The theory that the Emperor was trying to starve the Chaos gods is a bit misplaced, in my opinion. No one was worshiping Khorne or Tzeench when they gained consciousness, and in the Last Church the Emperor rants about how all religion leads to holy men abusing their power to start crusades and such. He sees all religion as evil, since even believing in a god of peace and love seems to lead to bloodshed and wholesale slaughter.

While active faith is certainly helpful, Chaos feeds from raw emotion, so any thoughts of bloodlust or greed or what have you end up in the warp. The only way to starve the Ruinous Powers is to kill all humans.

Durza wrote:Surely collapsing the Eye would have been a terrible move to make anyway. It would have given the Traitor legions an infinite number of ways not to go through the Cadian gate in order to get to the Imperium.

Not really as they can't go other ways now.

Warpfire wrote:

Durza wrote:Surely collapsing the Eye would have been a terrible move to make anyway. It would have given the Traitor legions an infinite number of ways not to go through the Cadian gate in order to get to the Imperium.

Not really as they can't go other ways now.

Well... yeah... that was my point. They can't get out safely now unless they go through the Cadian Gate. If someone destroyed the Eye, they'd be able to skip off in any direction they wanted to.

How in the world do you figure that?

If the Eye of Terror collapses, any number of things could happen:

1. Everything in that region of space is destroyed.
2. Everything in that region of space is now firmly in the material realm, so many of the CSM's semi-real fortresses and infrastructure collapse, leaving them at the mercy of the Imperials.
3. Everything in that region of space is now firmly in the Immaterium, shredding anything mortal within except the most favored of champions.



By the way, you're yet another that proves my theory. MLP avatar + Slaanesh title = all MLP fans are deviants and perverts.

Durza wrote:

Warpfire wrote:

Durza wrote:Surely collapsing the Eye would have been a terrible move to make anyway. It would have given the Traitor legions an infinite number of ways not to go through the Cadian gate in order to get to the Imperium.

Not really as they can't go other ways now.

Well... yeah... that was my point. They can't get out safely now unless they go through the Cadian Gate. If someone destroyed the Eye, they'd be able to skip off in any direction they wanted to.

Assuming they don't get imploded when the Eye closes...or their worlds fall apart because the illogic and chaos that used to keep their impossible geologies functioning disappear.


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Omegus wrote:

By the way, you're yet another that proves my theory. MLP avatar + Slaanesh title = all MLP fans are deviants and perverts.

Isn't that going a little too far?

Any number of things could happen, yes, but a large number of CSMs would likely survive since they're useful enough for the gods to not want to die in a way that doesn't benefit them.

By the way, that's a great addition of 2 and 2 to make ninety six billion. A random forum title I chose when I was bored and a picture from a show I happen to like doesn't make me either a deviant or a pervert. But since that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, perhaps we could refrain from discussing it.

Durza wrote:Any number of things could happen, yes, but a large number of CSMs would likely survive since they're useful enough for the gods to not want to die in a way that doesn't benefit them.

Survive? Certainly. But them being trapped in the Eye is as much a blessing as it is a curse, since the Imperials can't go in after them and get them. If they did survive, outside of the protection of the Eye they would be utterly at the mercy of the Imperium's far superior numbers. They'd have to all run off to the Maelstrom, which would make the Imperium's job of containing the Chaos threat far easier.

By the way, that's a great addition of 2 and 2 to make ninety six billion. A random forum title I chose when I was bored and a picture from a show I happen to like doesn't make me either a deviant or a pervert. But since that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, perhaps we could refrain from discussing it.

Chaos math, man, it's how it works! Praise be to Tzeench.

Random choice through boredom, or Freudian slip? You decide!

Omegus wrote:
Chaos math, man, it's how it works! Praise be to Tzeench.

Random choice through boredom, or Freudian slip? You decide!

1 + 1 = fish.

I don't know if even Chaos can make my dreams come true...I can imagine a lot...

Anything you can imagine, Tzeench has already imagined you imagining. Imagine that.

I liked my old idea of brewing untouchables in vats and shipping them out into a ball cordon around the EOT. It wouldn't destroy it, but with warships waiting around them, they'd pull anyone travelling through the warp out of the warp into realspace and kill them. Its the next best thing to collapsing the eye...

Omegus wrote:Anything you can imagine, Tzeench has already imagined you imagining. Imagine that.

So my wildest dreams have already come true in some unreal, lovecraftian, plane of reality in the Warp? Where's my secretary-servitor, I need to book a one way trip into the Warp.

this is stupid as long as there are psykers there will always be a Warp and a passage way end of thread

IMHO, the warp entities referred to as Gods, Eldar Gods, and maybe the Emperor aren't Gods in the traditional sense. They are extremely powerful creatures of another dimension, fueled by the emanations of emotion coming from the beings of THIS (the 40k) Dimension. There aren't "Eldar Gods" or "Human Gods" in the sense that they are bound or have any allegiance to a particular race. Human's could worship Isha, and Eldar could worship the Emperor (I realize that would NEVER HAPPEN. This is purely for the sake of the argument) but that would not make Isha a Human God, or the Emperor an Eldar God. They Would simply be the Emperor, and Isha with a different group of followers.

Also, i Thought Nurgle came into existence during the war in heaven, created by all the fear and death surrounding the Necrons and their C'tan masters? followed quickly by Khorne, again because of all the death, and destruction. then Tzeentch, when the war ended and the galaxy changed from a nightmare realm into a relatively peace full empire run by the Eldar?

I don't think there was ever a specific time given for the birth of any gods besides Slaanesh. They're just said to have been formed some time between the Dark Ages and now I think.

I think I read somewhere that the gods were either always around, or were born due to the sheer amount of psychic energy generated from the war in heaven. However, they did not achieve true sentience until much later; iirc correctly, Nurgle gained sentience during the black plague, and Khorne gained sentience during the crusades or Genghis Khan's conquests. Tzeentch...dunno about him. Slaanesh was born and gained sentience after the fall of the eldar.