J-Roc77 wrote:

timetowaste85 wrote:

Did...did you just call me a racist in there? I may have mistaken part of your comment, but it looks like it-if I did misunderstand, I apologize. I'll admit, I don't understand addiction-I don't understand how people can become addicted to things to the point of being able to function without doing it. I drank a helluva lot of Mt. Dew in high school-not for caffeine, but because I liked it. Eventually I realized I drank it too much, stopped, and the massive headaches started from withdrawl. I thought it was the worst feeling in the world, rode it out, and made sure never to get my body to the level where it feels it can't live without caffeine. I drank for taste, not effect on my body, and quit when I saw that it could have a bad influence on me, and now I drink soda in moderation. Likewise, these 'addicts' feel awful after their act, but rather than do as I did and make sure they don't go through it all over again, they restart the process. I'll agree they need help, rehab even, like a drug user or someone with a gambling issue. But blaming somebody else for creating something that they choose to use and abuse is not appropriate, and they shouldn't be suing them. If I were a judge, I'd laugh the case out of court. Does that make me a jerk? Maybe, but not a racist-I'd make the same comments no matter who is involved, race, gender, age, sexuality, makes no difference-blaming somebody else for something you can't physically deal with is not right.

I did not address the court issue in my post with you because I already covered that in a previous post. Yup I think it is a losing case.

As for calling you a racist, no. I was referring to a comment you made that drips with unintentional racism. I deal with this daily, I outlined where you made an error conflating alcoholism with being native (I addressed it as a symptom of poverty not of ethnicity) along that and the whole casino thing where you insinuate even rich natives are alcoholics further pushing the stereotype that natives are alcoholics. You wouldn't believe how many times casinos come up in conversations with how rich I am supposed to be, both subjects of alcoholism and casinos I have already addressed. An analogy that may help stem the flow of this inaccurate stereotype is jewish people and bankers, not all jewish people are rich bankers are they? And if there is a banker in the family does the whole family benefit? cousins aunts etc? Not really no. Well news flash, not all natives are rich casino owners who suffer from alcoholism. I feel my other posts have outlined these subjects in better detail and would rather just say read them rather than type my point over and over. I get into this daily with neighbors, college and work with questions or insinuations based out of lack current or even historical knowledge. In subjects of ethnicity, oppression and historical bias people either get it or they do not, why I had a disclaimer at my first post in this thread.

timetowaste85 wrote:

J-Roc77 wrote:

timetowaste85 wrote:

Did...did you just call me a racist in there? I may have mistaken part of your comment, but it looks like it-if I did misunderstand, I apologize. I'll admit, I don't understand addiction-I don't understand how people can become addicted to things to the point of being able to function without doing it. I drank a helluva lot of Mt. Dew in high school-not for caffeine, but because I liked it. Eventually I realized I drank it too much, stopped, and the massive headaches started from withdrawl. I thought it was the worst feeling in the world, rode it out, and made sure never to get my body to the level where it feels it can't live without caffeine. I drank for taste, not effect on my body, and quit when I saw that it could have a bad influence on me, and now I drink soda in moderation. Likewise, these 'addicts' feel awful after their act, but rather than do as I did and make sure they don't go through it all over again, they restart the process. I'll agree they need help, rehab even, like a drug user or someone with a gambling issue. But blaming somebody else for creating something that they choose to use and abuse is not appropriate, and they shouldn't be suing them. If I were a judge, I'd laugh the case out of court. Does that make me a jerk? Maybe, but not a racist-I'd make the same comments no matter who is involved, race, gender, age, sexuality, makes no difference-blaming somebody else for something you can't physically deal with is not right.

I did not address the court issue in my post with you because I already covered that in a previous post. Yup I think it is a losing case.

As for calling you a racist, no. I was referring to a comment you made that drips with unintentional racism. I deal with this daily, I outlined where you made an error conflating alcoholism with being native (I addressed it as a symptom of poverty not of ethnicity) along that and the whole casino thing where you insinuate even rich natives are alcoholics further pushing the stereotype that natives are alcoholics. You wouldn't believe how many times casinos come up in conversations with how rich I am supposed to be, both subjects of alcoholism and casinos I have already addressed. An analogy that may help stem the flow of this inaccurate stereotype is jewish people and bankers, not all jewish people are rich bankers are they? And if there is a banker in the family does the whole family benefit? cousins aunts etc? Not really no. Well news flash, not all natives are rich casino owners who suffer from alcoholism. I feel my other posts have outlined these subjects in better detail and would rather just say read them rather than type my point over and over. I get into this daily with neighbors, college and work with questions or insinuations based out of lack current or even historical knowledge. In subjects of ethnicity, oppression and historical bias people either get it or they do not, why I had a disclaimer at my first post in this thread.

Wow, way to pick and choose from my comment and make horrible interpretations-never did I say even rich natives are alcoholics, and I didn't mention all natives are rich from casinos-I mentioned I feel bad for natives on reservations, but not ones who do have money in casinos-does that mean all have money? No. But you'd like to take it as such, and take it one step further to interpret it as me saying all are rich and alcoholics. And the statement of not feeling bad for drunks goes for ALL drunks, there was no implied racism other than what you wanted to see-I feel bad for no alcoholics who refuse help and try to blame anyone else-I don't care what race you are. Thanks for your points that make me look like a jerk-appreciate you reading it incorrectly. Nothing "dripped" with unintentional racism, except what you wanted to see. Martyring yourself over imagined slights is kinda pathetic. There is no racism in my voice-only a disgust for people blaming others for their own problems: race, gender religion and sexuality all mean nothing to me-I hate stupidity in all its forms.

Frazzled wrote:

mattyrm wrote: How then?

I mean, I reckon its a good idea, but how can it be achived? You cant say "no selling beer to Indians" because thats ridiculous, if I was an honest hard working Indian who wanted a 6 pack on a Saturday I would be outraged!

And you cant say "No beer at all in the neighbouring counties" because what about the millions of responsible drinkers?

Basically, they should bring in ridiculously harsh laws on the reservation. No consuming alcohol or a night in the cells or something.. but as I said, blaming beer makers is flat out ridiculous.

I think the real problem here is we're talking US beer. We all know US beer is evil, because it sucks.