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If that is all they up facing, they might be ok. But to bad for them, it is far, far, far from all they would face.

Hunterindarkness wrote:If that is all they up facing, they might be ok. But to bad for them, it is far, far, far from all they would face.

Oh? How many troops would you estimate would be involved in a Crusade against them?

You know we don't have to do this. I guess if you want to, you can. Just know you don't have to.

nomotog wrote:You know we don't have to do this. I guess if you want to, you can. Just know you don't have to.

Huh?

Tadashi wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:If that is all they up facing, they might be ok. But to bad for them, it is far, far, far from all they would face.

Oh? How many troops would you estimate would be involved in a Crusade against them?

Total number I am not sure, but the Tau could prob match those troop and ship numbers. Of corse they would come out the worse of it even if they won, the IoM can throw away numbers of that size and not really notice, the Tau can not.Honestly however, the days of a crusade aginest a xeno as well established and numerous as the Tau are pretty much over. If they had no other threat they would be able to bring enough forces to bear to utterly crush them. But the IoM really can't pull away that much to bother with it really. Killing off the Tau is just too...bothersome. They simply kick them in the teeth now and then and spend forces on bigger threats mostly

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:If that is all they up facing, they might be ok. But to bad for them, it is far, far, far from all they would face.

Oh? How many troops would you estimate would be involved in a Crusade against them?

Total number I am not sure, but the Tau could prob match those troop and ship numbers. Of corse they would come out the worse of it even if they won, the IoM can throw away numbers of that size and not really notice, the Tau can not.Honestly however, the days of a crusade aginest a xeno as well established and numerous as the Tau are pretty much over. If they had no other threat they would be able to bring enough forces to bear to utterly crush them. But the IoM really can't pull away that much to bother with it really. Killing off the Tau is just too...bothersome. They simply kick them in the teeth now and then and spend forces on bigger threats mostly

True enough, unfortunately. The Imperium's primary focus is against the Tyranids, and dealing with the aftermath of the 13th Black Crusade and the Third War for Armageddon. The Tau and the Imperium generally prefer to maintain the status quo, although the former continues to attempt to subvert the border worlds - although they can't be too keen on that now, seeing as local Astartes units (thanks to the Ultramarines) have an eye (or two, if they can spare them) on the area following the Zeist Campaign. And it's not it's all smooth sailing for the Tau either - splinter fleets keep harassing their septs, while the War of Dakka is slowly building into an Armageddon-level crisis (at least for them).

darkcloud92 wrote:
but railguns and the tau do rule the galaxy. You've just been mind controlled by the ethreals into believing they don't and that they suck- Keanu Reeves

Tau Troll is a Tau Troll...

Hasn't this gone way of topic. doe's A brave new world being linked to the tau even count as a conspiracy theory? It makes me want to read it.

This thread is another good example on how Tau haters argue:

1.) There are two kinds of people: Evil people and people so evil that they don't even admit they are evil.
2.) Best sign for being super evil is stopping a bloody civil war and bringing peace. Highly suspicious! No man with a free mind would stop massacring his neighbors! So it must be mind control!
3.) Everybody having a different opinion is just a stubborn Tau fanboy not susceptible to reason.

According to this theory, at the end of WW2, Germany and Japan were invaded by evil forces, put into reeducation camps and mind controlled by American pheromones, so they stopped raging the world with war. Only possible explanation

Kroothawk wrote:

1.) There are two kinds of people: Evil people and people so evil that they don't even admit they are evil.

At least Eldar and Imperials are honest - they do nasty things because they need to. They don't try to hide the fact - 'Innocents die so humanity can live.' Tau lie and cover up everything with a facade of progress - small wonder a disillusioned Farsight turned his back on the Empire.

2.) Best sign for being super evil is stopping a bloody civil war and bringing peace. Highly suspicious! No man with a free mind would stop massacring his neighbors! So it must be mind control!

A complete 180-degree turn in personality? Not buying it.

3.) Everybody having a different opinion is just a stubborn Tau fanboy not susceptible to reason.

That 'cuz you're not listening. You insist on ignoring the fact that Tau are just as bad as everyone else.

According to this theory, at the end of WW2, Germany and Japan were invaded by evil forces, put into reeducation camps and mind controlled by American pheromones, so they stopped raging the world with war. Only possible explanation

My Japanese grandmother and my dad (also Japanese, duh) believe Western consumerism has made modern Japanese soft. So yes, they've been ruined by American pheromones.

Kroothawk wrote:2.) Best sign for being super evil is stopping a bloody civil war and bringing peace. Highly suspicious! No man with a free mind would stop massacring his neighbors! So it must be mind control!

This glosses over the fact that it was the entire race that did a 180 and not only stopped massacring their neighbors, but also simply started working towards 'the greater good'.

No, that's not going to happen because a few guys in robes with more prominent vaginas on their forehead show up preaching peace and love.

Ledabot wrote:Hasn't this gone way of topic. doe's A brave new world being linked to the tau even count as a conspiracy theory? It makes me want to read it.

You should. It's an excellent, thoughful, and moving book.

Kroothawk wrote:

According to this theory, at the end of WW2, Germany and Japan were invaded by evil forces, put into reeducation camps and mind controlled by Allied pheromones, so they stopped raging the world with war. Only possible explanation

Don't reveal everything!


Maybe one day, you will find out to tag people as "hater" isn't strenghtening your argument. If you had one that is.
The continent called europe provides so many civil wars, and none was ended because some formerly unknown persons who have been altered by unknown alien powers stepped in and pacified everyone. At least the flag your sporting here would mean this isn't news for you.


So the conspiracy theory you wanted to tell us about is: everything in 40k is sci-fantasy but Tau are real life?

My personal opinion of the Tau is that they're nice mainly in comparison, take them out and place them in most other scifi settings and they'd be considered rather dark, but next to say a legion of daemon worshipping foaming at the mouth madmen who bathe in the blood of freshly slaughtered babies for kicks, you can see why they'd be counted as one of the good guys. The ethereals are rather suspicious but they're not any worse than the Emperor who literally beat the majority of humanity into serving him or the Eldar who sexed a lovecraftian abomination into existence.

Kain wrote:My personal opinion of the Tau is that they're nice mainly in comparison, take them out and place them in most other scifi settings and they'd be considered rather dark, but next to say a legion of daemon worshipping foaming at the mouth madmen who bathe in the blood of freshly slaughtered babies for kicks, you can see why they'd be counted as one of the good guys. The ethereals are rather suspicious but they're not any worse than the Emperor who literally beat the majority of humanity into serving him or the Eldar who sexed a lovecraftian abomination into existence.

At least the old man and the space elves are honest about what they have to do. Space popes are all rainbows and butterflies.

Tadashi wrote:

Kain wrote:My personal opinion of the Tau is that they're nice mainly in comparison, take them out and place them in most other scifi settings and they'd be considered rather dark, but next to say a legion of daemon worshipping foaming at the mouth madmen who bathe in the blood of freshly slaughtered babies for kicks, you can see why they'd be counted as one of the good guys. The ethereals are rather suspicious but they're not any worse than the Emperor who literally beat the majority of humanity into serving him or the Eldar who sexed a lovecraftian abomination into existence.

At least the old man and the space elves are honest about what they have to do. Space popes are all rainbows and butterflies.

True, the Tau do have an awful lot of skeletons in their closet, but again, they're only nice by comparison, and even then it's not by much.

Sometimes I envision the WH40K universe like Medieval Europe.

The Eldar are the remains of the Byzantine Empire, once great but slowly fading, doomed to vanish to the tides of history. The Dark Eldar ar the decadent and corrupt inheritors of the capital of the Western half of the old Empire - Rom.

The IOM represent the Holy Roman Empire (which had nothing to do with Rome), disordered and filled with feudal states. It is rife with heresy and insurrection and spends as much time warring with itself as it does dealing with external threats.

The Orks represent all the various barbarian groups that will occasionally sweep through Europe, looting and burning as they go.

Chaos and the Chaos Marines represent the various heresies plus the general preoccupation with the devil that medieval Europe had.

Tyranids represent a massive plague like the Black Death that threatened to engulf the continent.

Necrons . . . well ancient Egypt didn't play a role in Medieval Europe but there was a fairly well established mythos of animated and undead as well as various dark magics and alchemists. So a fusion of Necromancy, Alchemy and Black Magic makes sense.

Then we get to the Tau. In the Tau we have a once primitive people known more for warring among themselves than any real achievement who suddenly discovered a new religion and developed into a highly ordered society with advanced sciences. They then immediately sought to expand their religion into their neighbors and convert them to their faith.

Historically this parallels the rise of Islam. Now as the history played out the Muslims managed to conquer large portions of Europe and destroy what was left of the Byzantine Empire over a course of about 8 centuries before ultimately being forced back out of Europe.

Then again, the Greek letter Tau was used by early Christians to identify themselves, so perhaps the creators of the Tau are trying to send a subtle message there?

or perhaps I'm reading too much into things, then again, this is a conspiracy thread.

Kain wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Kain wrote:My personal opinion of the Tau is that they're nice mainly in comparison, take them out and place them in most other scifi settings and they'd be considered rather dark, but next to say a legion of daemon worshipping foaming at the mouth madmen who bathe in the blood of freshly slaughtered babies for kicks, you can see why they'd be counted as one of the good guys. The ethereals are rather suspicious but they're not any worse than the Emperor who literally beat the majority of humanity into serving him or the Eldar who sexed a lovecraftian abomination into existence.

At least the old man and the space elves are honest about what they have to do. Space popes are all rainbows and butterflies.

True, the Tau do have an awful lot of skeletons in their closet, but again, they're only nice by comparison, and even then it's not by much.

No, that they are not. Small wonder more people respect Farsight than they do space popes.

Tadashi wrote:

Kain wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Kain wrote:My personal opinion of the Tau is that they're nice mainly in comparison, take them out and place them in most other scifi settings and they'd be considered rather dark, but next to say a legion of daemon worshipping foaming at the mouth madmen who bathe in the blood of freshly slaughtered babies for kicks, you can see why they'd be counted as one of the good guys. The ethereals are rather suspicious but they're not any worse than the Emperor who literally beat the majority of humanity into serving him or the Eldar who sexed a lovecraftian abomination into existence.

At least the old man and the space elves are honest about what they have to do. Space popes are all rainbows and butterflies.

True, the Tau do have an awful lot of skeletons in their closet, but again, they're only nice by comparison, and even then it's not by much.

No, that they are not. Small wonder more people respect Farsight than they do space popes.

Well for one thing, rather than magic pheromones, Farsight gets followers through actual charisma and hard work. That's more respectable than headvagina magic.

Gosh Farsight does seem rather cool! I just wish we got more lore on him :/ One conspiracy/unknown theory is why farsight decided to break away. As far as I know nothing as been updated about him or the farsight enclave since the last codex. One theory was the powers of chaos, but if the information on the new edition is right than the Tau can't be corrupted by chaos.

Kain wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Kain wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Kain wrote:My personal opinion of the Tau is that they're nice mainly in comparison, take them out and place them in most other scifi settings and they'd be considered rather dark, but next to say a legion of daemon worshipping foaming at the mouth madmen who bathe in the blood of freshly slaughtered babies for kicks, you can see why they'd be counted as one of the good guys. The ethereals are rather suspicious but they're not any worse than the Emperor who literally beat the majority of humanity into serving him or the Eldar who sexed a lovecraftian abomination into existence.

At least the old man and the space elves are honest about what they have to do. Space popes are all rainbows and butterflies.

True, the Tau do have an awful lot of skeletons in their closet, but again, they're only nice by comparison, and even then it's not by much.

No, that they are not. Small wonder more people respect Farsight than they do space popes.

Well for one thing, rather than magic pheromones, Farsight gets followers through actual charisma and hard work. That's more respectable than headvagina magic.

What if farsight has pheromones?

darkcloud92 wrote:Gosh Farsight does seem rather cool! I just wish we got more lore on him :/ One conspiracy/unknown theory is why farsight decided to break away. As far as I know nothing as been updated about him or the farsight enclave since the last codex. One theory was the powers of chaos, but if the information on the new edition is right than the Tau can't be corrupted by chaos.

Chaos is the most unlikely theory why Farsight left.
On the positive side, GW left it at unknown attackers and Farsight just having his own colony.
Maybe he got another entry in one of the expansions. But inconsistent as the Tau timeline is, the last record of him may be the "swap of heroes" the space-pope enacted to secure the unity of the Empire...

nomotog wrote:
What if farsight has pheromones?

If guns count as pheromones...
Basically Fire caste could easily take over if etherals aren't around. Who argues with the hotheaded and armed ones?
( the best guess on the intend behind Farsight I can make is, he is there to have a splinter group outside the grasp of the etherals to show us Tau without the daily dose of greater-good-cool-aid ). His words of the spacefaring races never teaming up as the etherals seem to tell the Tau are rarely used as these don't fit with the theme of utopia that some just love too much.

Tadashi wrote:Tau lie and cover up everything with a facade of progress - small wonder a disillusioned Farsight turned his back on the Empire.

Farsight was disillusioned that he couldn't massacre at will in the Tau Empire

Tadashi wrote:My Japanese grandmother and my dad (also Japanese, duh) believe Western consumerism has made modern Japanese soft. So yes, they've been ruined by American pheromones.

That makes it more astonishing that you don't get all the Japanese culture inspired facts about tau society, esp. that society>individual thing which is a basic difference between Western and Eastern thinking.

1hadhq wrote:The continent called europe provides so many civil wars, and none was ended because some formerly unknown persons who have been altered by unknown alien powers stepped in and pacified everyone. At least the flag your sporting here would mean this isn't news for you.

Actually, Western Europe, after several hundred years of war, suddenly with the end of WW2 entered a period of peace lasting until today. So obviously American pheromones that caused this 180 degree turn!

1hadhq wrote:So the conspiracy theory you wanted to tell us about is: everything in 40k is sci-fantasy but Tau are real life?

Just that behaving more or less as the EU in military matters is nothing totally impossible in the future of 40k.

Kroothawk wrote:

1hadhq wrote:The continent called europe provides so many civil wars, and none was ended because some formerly unknown persons who have been altered by unknown alien powers stepped in and pacified everyone. At least the flag your sporting here would mean this isn't news for you.

Actually, Western Europe, after several hundred years of war, suddenly with the end of WW2 entered a period of peace lasting until today. So obviously American pheromones that caused this 180 degree turn!

1hadhq wrote:So the conspiracy theory you wanted to tell us about is: everything in 40k is sci-fantasy but Tau are real life?

Just that behaving more or less as the EU in military matters is nothing totally impossible in the future of 40k.

So if I get that right, using WMD to ensure an uneasy peace is the way to go.
Maybe you forgot the Russians? I mean the counterpart that made the whole "don't press that button" so important for survival.
This threat of utter destruction isn't the 180 you are looking for. Because the moment a confrontation became risky, others had to have the wars instead of the major powers. Won't work in the 40k verse where some live for destruction. A single ork would surely have a lot of fun with this type of pacification.....oi wats dat? *lauch sequence activated* * 3...2...1 *

( disclaimer: sure some like their existance very much, be it Humans , Eldar, Tau and maybe even the Necrons. But Chaos? Orks? )

Secondly, the EU is sadly complete fail in military matters. Behaving like it would kill most civilizations in 40k at the first encounter of a hostile faction. OtoH the EU makes for a nice Administratum predecessor....

Kroothawk wrote:Actually, Western Europe, after several hundred years of war, suddenly with the end of WW2 entered a period of peace lasting until today. So obviously American pheromones that caused this 180 degree turn!

Well that, the horror of modern warfare, oh, and the ever-looming thread of global annihilation caused by widespread nuclear weaponry.

Let's not pretend this was some fundamental change in human nature that caused Europeans to suddenly become good-hearted, peaceful individuals. It's just simple pragmatism, lol. For several hundred years, nobody had the ability to just erase entire nations, and possibly the whole world. Now, they do. And most people like the whole world. It's where they keep their stuff.

Europe avoided major wars from the end of the age of Napoleon (1814) until the rise of Germany (1860s) and even then avoided total war until WWI.

This period of peace did not require alien (or American) intervention but was instead achieved by the Europeans themselves deciding that further bloody wars were of no benefit to them.

Or, more realistically, a period of resting and rearming until one or both sides became capable of waging war again and had forgotten the previous one. It wasn't like these wars occurred in a vacuum. They were preceded by long periods of preparing for the next war.

Nah, they just realized its much easier to just buy our stuff and persue silly ideological agendas the beat the snot out of each other. They still loath each other, and even more so now that the EU is getting buried in its own debt. meanwhile the Brits are laughing from a safe distance.

Grey Templar wrote:

DoctorZombie wrote:Anyone ever heard the Horus on the Golden Throne one?

That has nothing to do with the Tau, the Tau had barely stood upright when the HH was in full swing.

O, and thats HERESY!!!

Darn Grey Knights, you steal the spotlight from us smurfs!

Don't worry, I'm sure Ward will touch you soon enough