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NuclearMessiah wrote:

Lets try an actual GW image not a piece of anime stylized fan art of the Eldar

That is an older image but we have newer stuff that Eldar can look very humanish






We seem to have two school of thought here in the sense as to what it is to be Human biological or in thought.

At the close of the 41st Millennium, yes the Eldar and Imperium share some of the same beliefs in contact with other species. That is mostly based on their circumstances, ideals, and their history. Fast forward the Tau 20,000 years and they may well be the same, but if you rewind the human thought process back 20,000-30,000 years or even more then you will note that the Humans have more in common with the Tau then they did with early Eldar civilization.


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I kind of illustrated a point with my two pictures that the information we have on the Eldar changes from edition to edition and from artist to artist.

As for the recent Gav Thorpe books, the Eldar are represent to think in humans way so the reader can connect with them. If we were capable of portraying then with extreme emotional capability that humans can not even comprehend in the book, then it would be a boring book cause "we" being Human can not understand what that is like.

So removing the novels from the equation, Eldar or no more then superficially similar to humans and on a whole different plan when it comes to thought process. Where as the Tau make decisions based on similar patterns as Humans would in the same circumstances.

Even with GW pictures they still look more Human than those fish-faced freaks from the frontier. And the Emperor would beg to differ about how Tau making decisions based on similar patterns. He was a psyker, and a very powerful one at that, and His decisions were based on His perspective as seeing visions of the future millennia ahead, just like the Farseers. All Humans have some latent psychic potential. They always have - the Emperor is basically the collective reincarnation of the first Human psykers. That's because Humans are evolving into a psychic race LIKE the Eldar. That's one reason the Imperium and later the Inquisition was founded - to control this evolution and ensure it doesn't go the wrong way. I'd imagine in ancient times before they could properly control their powers or traveling through space, the Eldar were just like the Humans, factious and (in their eyes) indulging in 'primitive' urges and emotions. In that light, if the Emperor had succeeded in accelerating Human evolution and turning everyone into fully-realized psykers, then Humans would actually act like Eldar - keeping their emotions and urges consciously checked to avoid rampant powers and making decisions incomprehensible to non-psykers. The Tau couldn't hope to understand Humans in that situation. And Tau don't have psykers, and they never will.



Ah, even in Dark Heresy Eldar still look more Human than fish-faced, blue-skinned freaks.

If you are so certain of the answer, then why even bother asking a question?

Per you own admission you like to debate, so really you just started a thread to argue with everyone else point of view.


Not going to make many friends around here like that Perhaps you should have called the thread "A debate on why Eldar are like Humans."

NuclearMessiah wrote:If you are so certain of the answer, then why even bother asking a question?

Per you own admission you like to debate, so really you just started a thread to argue with everyone else point of view.


Not going to make many friends around here like that Perhaps you should have called the thread "A debate on why Eldar are like Humans."

If you say so, but I just love trolling the Tau. If you haven't noticed, I haven't argued against Orks and Necrons.


You mad?

Heck, not only are the Tau more human than the other Xenos, they're more human than the friggin' 40K humans. I don't care what they look like - they're the only race in the 40K universe that's progressing. I mean, come on - you forgot how to build stuff? Who the hell does that? And even if you did, REVERSE ENGINEER it, ffs. And for as "advanced" as Tau technology is, they're actually advancing at about the rate of *real* humans, their tech is completely rational and actually probably about 22nd Century equivalent - while most of the 40K "humans" are superstitious doofs. Who'll evidently nuke your planet if you see a Gray Knight in his underwear 'cause they're "secret", woooOOOOooo...


(disclaimer: this post is for entertainment purposes only and is not intended to reflect the actual views of the poster vis a vis taking some freaky gray-skinned four-fingered fish dude to the prom.)

Randall Turner wrote:Heck, not only are the Tau more human than the other Xenos, they're more human than the friggin' 40K humans. I don't care what they look like - they're the only race in the 40K universe that's progressing. I mean, come on - you forgot how to build stuff? Who the hell does that? And even if you did, REVERSE ENGINEER it, ffs. And for as "advanced" as Tau technology is, they're actually advancing at about the rate of *real* humans, their tech is completely rational and actually probably about 22nd Century equivalent - while most of the 40K "humans" are superstitious doofs. Who'll evidently nuke your planet if you see a Gray Knight in his underwear 'cause they're "secret", woooOOOOooo...


(disclaimer: this post is for entertainment purposes only and is not intended to reflect the actual views of the poster vis a vis taking some freaky gray-skinned four-fingered fish dude to the prom.)

Soooo...is the post serious or not?

Tadashi wrote:Soooo...is the post serious or not?

No more or less serious than the 40K universe, dude! Which may vary from poster to poster, I suppose.

I do notice that you've an emphasis on physicality in your answers, Tadashi. Bear in mind that I'm pushing 60 years old, I'm less inclined to that. And I'll totally stipulate that if you can manage it without getting shanghaied and used as a lab experiment, the pointy-eared bimbo in your picture would be more "interesting" as a date.

But let's face it - there's a reason the Tau are the only race with Humans living voluntarily and peaceably alongside them.

Randall Turner wrote:

I do notice that you've an emphasis on physicality in your answers, Tadashi. Bear in mind that I'm pushing 60 years old, I'm less inclined to that. And I'll totally stipulate that if you can manage it without getting shanghaied and used as a lab experiment, the pointy-eared bimbo in your picture would be more "interesting" as a date.

Fair enough, but I was hoping something more platonic - never did like the notion of romantic love; I prefer platonic love, it's purer and lasts longer, make of that what you will.

But let's face it - there's a reason the Tau are the only race with Humans living voluntarily and peaceably alongside them.

Mentality-wise, Golden Age of Technology Humans and pre-Fall Eldar Empire Eldar were probably similar to Tau, and they probably co-existed too - the Humans and Eldar that is, Tau weren't around then - but by the 41st Millennium, neither Humans nor Eldar can afford to think like Tau. As I've said before, somewhere in the Tau Empire, Tzeentchian and Slaaneshi Cults are plotting something nasty. Physically-wise though, Humans and Eldar would be far closer to each other than than Tau.

Tadashi wrote:Fair enough, but I was hoping something more platonic - never did like the notion of romantic love; I prefer platonic love, it's purer and lasts longer, make of that what you will.

Nonono, that's fine. But seriously dude, it's not gonna work out! I'm telling you this for your own good, now. She's going to think she's better than you, she's not going to love you for yourself. Basically you're going to get used and hurt. If you go into it with the attitude that the journey's the reward and just enjoy the ride, that's great - but I think you're setting yourself up for a fall.

Trust me - she's a cold, manipulating bitch, everyone knows it. I'm just saying, be careful and maybe you're thinking with the wrong head here.

(Disclaimer: this post is for entertainment purposes and in no way condones interracial relations with anime or otherwise fictional/graphic personas.)

Randall Turner wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Fair enough, but I was hoping something more platonic - never did like the notion of romantic love; I prefer platonic love, it's purer and lasts longer, make of that what you will.

Nonono, that's fine. But seriously dude, it's not gonna work out! I'm telling you this for your own good, now. She's going to think she's better than you, she's not going to love you for yourself. Basically you're going to get used and hurt. If you go into it with the attitude that the journey's the reward and just enjoy the ride, that's great - but I think you're setting yourself up for a fall.

Trust me - she's a cold, manipulating bitch, everyone knows it. I'm just saying, be careful and maybe you're thinking with the wrong head here.

Not going to let that happen. I have difficulty trusting other people since I was eleven (or was it earlier) when my uncle got depression (he still has it - basically, he's a hermit in his parent's house when he used to be a successful businessman) because his wife-to-be dumped him for a rich old man. Since then, I've basically told myself "Never let other people into your heart unless you are perfectly sure you can trust them with your back." With that said, I've never had a girlfriend (my apologies if what I'm going to say offends some people) because I found girls of my generation to be fickle and untrustworthy. My mom says my standards too high, though my dad approves - he was quite close to my uncle. My mom's probably right though, at this rate, I'm going to be alone for the rest of my life. But I'm fine with that. Technological progression indicates that biological immortality will be achieved by 2040, and technological singularity by 2050. Once that happens, I'll do what Ahriman does, wander the stars to find and explore lost and potentially forbidden secrets. As the Iron Warriors say:

***IRON WITHIN! IRON WITHOUT! IRON IS FOREVER!***

If she (assuming I make the mistake of trusting someone who cannot be trusted) betrays me, then to quote H.P. Lovecraft:

"...a Nemesis bearing just and blazingly cataclysmic vengeance."

(Disclaimer: this post is for entertainment purposes and in no way condones interracial relations with anime or otherwise fictional/graphic personas.)

Now that's just plain creepy. Though once technological singularity is reached, maybe not anymore.

Looks, Eldar by a nose.

Actual thought process and ideals, Tau by a country mile. If you have followed any of the Eldar fluff you will know they are cold, unthinkable and callous to others not of their own race. Only helping others if it benefits themselves, and more importantly doing things which make utter no sense to the average Human. Like wiping out a colony of Humans, or standing idle while another race does it, because it will save one Eldar life in a thousand years.

The ability to consider each other on a equal field does not existy between Eldar and Humanity, we are beasts rollng around in the fields with technology beyond our age and understanding. They use the term Monkeigh for a reason.


With Tau, we have similar goals, organisations, and the potential of a an actually prolonged and constant alliance if Humanity wasn't so screwed over with the anti-Xenos mentality. They are also more likely to aid the Imperium openly and without the need for some complicated and alien reasoning. See Tau/Imperium alliances against Tyranids as an example of this.

Eldar would not be interested in such an alliance, even if the Imperium offered, taking an uneasy occasional alliance at best. They just don't and won't ever see Mankind as a equal and for that reason the two races could never be any kind of permament allies.

Besides, we all know how fethed up Humanity is, if Tau have the right set up for it, their would be cross species relationships just as there might be with Eldar. Never overlook the power of exotic in the Human mind.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Looks, Eldar by a nose.

Actual thought process and ideals, Tau by a country mile. If you have followed any of the Eldar fluff you will know they are cold, unthinkable and callous to others not of their own race. Only helping others if it benefits themselves, and more importantly doing things which make utter no sense to the average Human. Like wiping out a colony of Humans, or standing idle while another race does it, because it will save one Eldar life in a thousand years.

And Humans don't do that? Last I looked, at the merest hint of heresy/taint, the Inquisition slaughters millions

The ability to consider each other on a equal field does not existy between Eldar and Humanity, we are beasts rollng around in the fields with technology beyond our age and understanding. They use the term Monkeigh for a reason.

Not always. Back during the Golden Age of Technology and the pre-Fall Eldar Empire, benevolent co-existence was the rule. Then came the Old Night and the Fall of the Eldar.

With Tau, we have similar goals, organisations, and the potential of a an actually prolonged and constant alliance if Humanity wasn't so screwed over with the anti-Xenos mentality. They are also more likely to aid the Imperium openly and without the need for some complicated and alien reasoning. See Tau/Imperium alliances against Tyranids as an example of this.

Long-term alliances and cooperation with xenos is impossible under the current iteration of the Imperium. If the Emperor came back, He's more likely to deal with Eldar than Tau, since His long-term plan involves accelerating Human psychic evolution. If all Humans became psykers, we'd be acting like Eldar - all high and mighty, with decisions incomprehensible to non-psykers.

Eldar would not be interested in such an alliance, even if the Imperium offered, taking an uneasy occasional alliance at best. They just don't and won't ever see Mankind as a equal and for that reason the two races could never be any kind of permament allies.

See above post.

Besides, we all know how fethed up Humanity is, if Tau have the right set up for it, their would be cross species relationships just as there might be with Eldar. Never overlook the power of exotic in the Human mind.

The Imperium prefers to deal with Eldar rather than Tau because Eldar are less likely to subvert Imperial citizens, and because Eldar know the Imperium is more cautious with regards to Chaos.

Well if the new fluff turns out to be true, this whole arguement will be mute anyways.

I respectfully disagree with your position, but then I wasn't expecting you to change your mind. I was just posting info for other folks reading the thread. Your bias is clear and already clarified above by your own hand.

The Eldar.... the only race in the galaxy more racist hen Humanity.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:

I respectfully disagree with your position, but then I wasn't expecting you to change your mind. I was just posting info for other folks reading the thread. Your bias is clear and already clarified above by your own hand.

With regards to the Tau? Well, I used to respect them, until those fans of theirs started pissing me off with 'railguns can conquer the galaxy' and 'tau will rule the galaxy' crap. Now, I'd drop whatever it is I'm doing to take the chance to burn some Tau colony/flame a Tau thread with no mercy.

Your obviously not a veteran of the old GW forum boards Tadashi, if the Tau stuff here has boiled your blood, man, you'd be a frothing maniac against all armies after spending a month or two there back when they where up.

I suppose we all have our gripes, I'm not a fan of the Black Templars at all. Just rub me up the wrong way, although I'm not that bothered to go hunting down their threads either.

In all I think the honest answer to this thread, is they are probably all too alien to make any comparrison, and as I noted in my post, the anti-Xenos thing really hurts any chances of any kind of deal happening anyways. So it becomes partially a moot point to raise.

Well unless those Tau/Marine rumours are true, then I'm sure they will torches burning on the forums the night after sixth hits the shelves.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Well unless those Tau/Marine rumours are true, then I'm sure they will torches burning on the forums the night after sixth hits the shelves.

WHAT?! I'D SOONER JOIN CHAOS THAN WORK WITH THOSE FISH-FACED FREAKS! WARD!

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Well unless those Tau/Marine rumours are true, then I'm sure they will torches burning on the forums the night after sixth hits the shelves.

They are not true for sure, to work with xenos is heresy. No matter what story they get with there is nothing that will make the Inquisition or High Lords to work with Tau.

Brother Coa wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Well unless those Tau/Marine rumours are true, then I'm sure they will torches burning on the forums the night after sixth hits the shelves.

They are not true for sure, to work with xenos is heresy. No matter what story they get with there is nothing that will make the Inquisition or High Lords to work with Tau.

Noble-bright, here we come...hurrah (read: sarcasm).

Tadashi wrote:

NuclearMessiah wrote:If you are so certain of the answer, then why even bother asking a question?

Per you own admission you like to debate, so really you just started a thread to argue with everyone else point of view.


Not going to make many friends around here like that Perhaps you should have called the thread "A debate on why Eldar are like Humans."

If you say so, but I just love trolling the Tau. If you haven't noticed, I haven't argued against Orks and Necrons.


You mad?

Try as you might to Troll Tau players, I wont get mad about it. However I can never take anything you say in regards to any Tau topic with even a grain of seriousness anymore since your an admitted Tau Troller.

NuclearMessiah wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

NuclearMessiah wrote:If you are so certain of the answer, then why even bother asking a question?

Per you own admission you like to debate, so really you just started a thread to argue with everyone else point of view.


Not going to make many friends around here like that Perhaps you should have called the thread "A debate on why Eldar are like Humans."

If you say so, but I just love trolling the Tau. If you haven't noticed, I haven't argued against Orks and Necrons.


You mad?

Try as you might to Troll Tau players, I wont get mad about it. However I can never take anything you say in regards to any Tau topic with even a grain of seriousness anymore since your an admitted Tau Troller.

As you wish...in that case, let the Tau bashing commence.

Or rather, perhaps trolling is a bit...inaccurate. Rather, Tau fans who go 'railguns will defeat everything' and 'Tau will conquer the galaxy' have effectively wiped out any respect I had for the Tau. Now, flaming those fish-faced freaks is second-nature.

Tadashi wrote:

If you say so, but I just love trolling the Tau. If you haven't noticed, I haven't argued against Orks and Necrons.


You mad?

best you go and do this somewhere else then.

If you persist in such behaviour then your posting privileges will be removed.