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Frazzled wrote:

Indeed. Battlefront minis are quite expensive but then again I can buy other company's tiny toy tanks instead. Oh wait we're talking GW. Never mind.
On the other hand, its like the whole point of this thread is to....troll.

Well, judging from the other thread, and the 20+ pages of people throwing themselves from rooftops and declaring fatwah, I'm going to say the letter in the OP might have gone down a bit better

agreeing with Proioxis© here... compared to what I put into other hobbies and the time i've gotten out of my models its a pretty good investment. I spend most saturdays and wednesdays at my flgs and spend about $50 per month on minis... I probably have 800-1k in models as i've been playing for a year and a half and some months i've overspent. a bit

The problem is, if you use 'I spend x amount of money on this', then what is the limit? "That skydive I did the other week? Lasted about 30 seconds, which works out at about 4000% times more expensive per minute than this 40k box of tactical marines." Ok, sorry I'm being facetious, but I think it is only fair to compare GW products to those of other manufacturers who are within the same industry, or offer a similar type of pastime. Otherwise, we will just fall into a circle of justification that will be never ending, as there will always be pastimes which are more fleeting and more expensive than GW products.

When using that measure, GW was already by far and away the most expensive wargames/miniature producer, and now that discrepancy has widened still further. Yes, a mate and I can collect a 40k army from scratch, and play every week for a year with it. On the grand scheme of things, that £300 or so isn't too unreasonable in terms of the return of enjoyment we are getting from that investment, certainly compared to some other forms of entertainment. On the other hand, we can pay substantially less if we use practically any other miniature or wargaming companies product.

I've just been getting into Infinity with some friends. All 4 of us combined, have spent less money than we would have had for just 1 of us to by a reasonably sized starter 40k force. And what's more we have benefited from free rules downloads, and an online wiki and downloadable army builder (all supplied free of charge) which my mate can access on his tablet while we are playing a game. If we have a problem with the rules, we can go onto the official forum and get our rules queries answered. And although a viewpoint of the game is quite subjective, after 20 years + of playing miniature wargames, and I can say with some degree of certainty that this game is going to provide a hell of a lot more mileage for the money I have spent. The game mechanics are so well designed, so well balanced, that we can come up with a massive variety of forces and scenarios and the games will not become tiresome. So again, this is another area where 'value for money' will differ.

So yes I agree, in the grand scheme of things 40k/WFB is not expensive (although, far more now than it ever was in the past), but when you compare that range to any of it's competitors then yes it is overpriced. I am both fearful and angry of the company's position within the market place. I love the fact that GW has managed to keep production in the UK, and has been an increasingly rare example of a UK business's success story. But, the parallels to how the UK car & motorbike industry went (ignore competing manufacturers, continue to offer a lower quality product at higher prices) are alarming. If even the slightest amount of feedback gets to them, and they realise that perhaps this price rise is a price rise too far (and the potential consequences of pricing so much of their fan-base out of the game) then surely this kind of forum post, and the answers to it, are justified.

Pacific wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Indeed. Battlefront minis are quite expensive but then again I can buy other company's tiny toy tanks instead. Oh wait we're talking GW. Never mind.
On the other hand, its like the whole point of this thread is to....troll.

Well, judging from the other thread, and the 20+ pages of people throwing themselves from rooftops and declaring fatwah, I'm going to say the letter in the OP might have gone down a bit better

agreeing with Proioxis© here... compared to what I put into other hobbies and the time i've gotten out of my models its a pretty good investment. I spend most saturdays and wednesdays at my flgs and spend about $50 per month on minis... I probably have 800-1k in models as i've been playing for a year and a half and some months i've overspent. a bit

The problem is, if you use 'I spend x amount of money on this', then what is the limit? "That skydive I did the other week? Lasted about 30 seconds, which works out at about 4000% times more expensive per minute than this 40k box of tactical marines." Ok, sorry I'm being facetious, but I think it is only fair to compare GW products to those of other manufacturers who are within the same industry, or offer a similar type of pastime. Otherwise, we will just fall into a circle of justification that will be never ending, as there will always be pastimes which are more fleeting and more expensive than GW products.

When using that measure, GW was already by far and away the most expensive wargames/miniature producer, and now that discrepancy has widened still further. Yes, a mate and I can collect a 40k army from scratch, and play every week for a year with it. On the grand scheme of things, that £300 or so isn't too unreasonable in terms of the return of enjoyment we are getting from that investment, certainly compared to some other forms of entertainment. On the other hand, we can pay substantially less if we use practically any other miniature or wargaming companies product.

I've just been getting into Infinity with some friends. All 4 of us combined, have spent less money than we would have had for just 1 of us to by a reasonably sized starter 40k force. And what's more we have benefited from free rules downloads, and an online wiki and downloadable army builder (all supplied free of charge) which my mate can access on his tablet while we are playing a game. If we have a problem with the rules, we can go onto the official forum and get our rules queries answered. And although a viewpoint of the game is quite subjective, after 20 years + of playing miniature wargames, and I can say with some degree of certainty that this game is going to provide a hell of a lot more mileage for the money I have spent. The game mechanics are so well designed, so well balanced, that we can come up with a massive variety of forces and scenarios and the games will not become tiresome. So again, this is another area where 'value for money' will differ.

So yes I agree, in the grand scheme of things 40k/WFB is not expensive (although, far more now than it ever was in the past), but when you compare that range to any of it's competitors then yes it is overpriced. I am both fearful and angry of the company's position within the market place. I love the fact that GW has managed to keep production in the UK, and has been an increasingly rare example of a UK business's success story. But, the parallels to how the UK car & motorbike industry went (ignore competing manufacturers, continue to offer a lower quality product at higher prices) are alarming. If even the slightest amount of feedback gets to them, and they realise that perhaps this price rise is a price rise too far (and the potential consequences of pricing so much of their fan-base out of the game) then surely this kind of forum post, and the answers to it, are justified.

that is a fair point but I was just just pointing out how I look at it.. I like playing at me flgs. and I want to patronize them as they buy us alot of cool terrain and built some great tables. I could buy junk food or soda there but I'd rather buy minis and they sell 40k, malifaux and warhammer fantsy... fantasy isn't super interesting to me, and I have a malifeux crew. it is a fun game to play but i prefer 40k.

that being the case unless they stock something else I would prefer to support the place I like to go and I feel the price i pay is worht the amoutn of enjoyment i get out of the models though as always ymmv