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To hell with the soldiers give me the smoking hot girl!!! You're right about stopping the griping though; they do what they want regardless how loud we get.

I'm not really what most would call a "GW Fanboy" but shouldn't everyone wait to get out the Price Raise Pitchforks (Newly released in FineCast, with a Chaos Price Raise Pitchfork for a bit extra (but it includes a Spiky Sprue) and ina few months Forgeworld will release their Pre-Heresy Price Raise Pitchfork that looks completely different but vaguely matches some twenty-year-old piece of artwork) until they actually raise prices?

Platuan4th wrote:I may(MAY) grab a couple more boxes of Chaos Warriors and Pink Horrors before the annual Raping of the wallets, but other than that, it's all OOP metal blisters and FW for me. Luckily, the local Hobbytown USA's still have a decent stock of metals, all marked down to sell to make room for more Finecast stuff(that isn't selling there).

I wont buy Overpriced GW models, Ill just buy exspensive OOP models and exspensive forgeworld models.
Jus saying.

blood lance wrote:I wont buy Overpriced GW models, Ill just buy exspensive OOP models and exspensive forgeworld models.
Jus saying.

Ah, but you forget: the profit margin on FW is higher than on the normal Games Workshop models.

That's how you stick it to the man!

Touche sir, touche.

Slipstream wrote:Somehow this government will do nothing except screw us into the ground. Sorry the for the politics!

When you show such a poor understanding of politics, you do well to apologise for talking about it.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:People still buy GW minis?

I thought we just went on the intarwebz to gripe about them.

Indeed. Battlefront minis are quite expensive but then again I can buy other company's tiny toy tanks instead. Oh wait we're talking GW. Never mind.
On the other hand, its like the whole point of this thread is to....troll.

The thing is that in this current economic decline, certainly in Britain, GW is one of the few high-street chains that are actually still consistently turning over a profit. Most other stores have had some difficulty or other- at least that is what the times said...

Just got back from FLGS. The owner read the email from his GW rep. Prices are going up in June, some by 30%

Only one I distinctly remember was the LR Crusader/Redeemer (cuz I was planning on buying one next paycheck)
box is going up to $85 !!!

I'm done, time to get into Dust or Warmahordes. GW has final reached the point that I just wont play/pay along any more.

@Darefsky
BoLS is denying this. There is another thread on this in N&R. Where is Mikhaila when we need him?

timetowaste85 wrote:@Darefsky
BoLS is denying this. There is another thread on this in N&R. Where is Mikhaila when we need him?

I don't know about BOLS, I was there tonight when the owner read it out loud. Seriously someone grab Mikhaila and see if he has the same info.

Edit for update.

If you jump over to N/R they just posted the list of the new prices.

Hopefully its not true.. I have a massive collection of 40k but I dont even think I'll spend 80+$ for a tank during this economy

Looking at your collections Kirasu - I doubt you'd want to buy anything new for your armies anyway.

When stuff was back at the early 5th edition prices ($35 for a box of troops, $57(I think) for your big HS) the price rise felt bad because the prices at the time we... ok. But now the we're already paying way more than we should, paying even MORE doesn't feel as bad (If that made any sense)

The worst part is, is that GW makes something like a 90% profit (Yes, even with storage, production, and all those other things)

LordTyphus wrote:When stuff was back at the early 5th edition prices ($35 for a box of troops, $57(I think) for your big HS) the price rise felt bad because the prices at the time we... ok. But now the we're already paying way more than we should, paying even MORE doesn't feel as bad (If that made any sense)

Ha ha, yeah.

Well, I only buy new releases for my existing armies, anyway. I kinda want to start Necrons but with another hike incoming, I don't think so.

OP: Just announcing a price freeze for this year would make you happy? That's like an abused kid saying everything will be OK and return to normal if daddy just stops hitting him.

Some companies don't have to announce a price freeze, because they just don't raise their prices every year. It's sorta sad to see people expecting it...

Well when they get drunk and hit you everyday you come to expect it. It's our fault GW doesn't love us enough.

With the amount of money they make from us they should.

Balance wrote:I'm not really what most would call a "GW Fanboy" but shouldn't everyone wait to get out the Price Raise Pitchforks (Newly released in FineCast, with a Chaos Price Raise Pitchfork for a bit extra (but it includes a Spiky Sprue) and ina few months Forgeworld will release their Pre-Heresy Price Raise Pitchfork that looks completely different but vaguely matches some twenty-year-old piece of artwork) until they actually raise prices?

This. So much conflicting information, I'm only assuming new releases are going up. And that includes the rumoured Finecast Slaan, which, believe me, I'll pay a bit more to not have such a top heavy model...

Last price increase was fobbed off as 'just the annual price increase' as if it was expected. It's hard to justify GW stuff as it is if they are going to price increase I think I'll have to flog my old crons, get a talos + venom for my DE and call it a day.

I spent £40 on a D&D boardgame and got about 40 decent miniatures, nevermind all the rules, tokens tiles et cetra. I find I get more value for money from RPGs than 40k unfortunately. I think I'd have to be playing at least 2 games a week to justify it. As it is I *might* only play 2 games a month!

I've been slowly selling off my GW stuff for the last couple of years. Gone from 7 armies down to 3 much smaller forces (and going to eventually go down to 2). Not spent anything on GW over the last 1-2 years other than a couple of bits on ebay I needed to finish an army off, nor do I plan to buy anything from them other than a 2nd hand version of the new rules so I can carry on using what I have.

Now I have a 300+ point infinity force (and will probably get more as they are fantastic models and the rules and game seem cool too, though I am yet to play), and have a copy of Zombicide on pre-order which should keep the wife and me entertained (plus I can paint the minis which she will not let me do to our copy of heroquest + expansions ).

So yeah, plenty more games out there are getting my money, even model companies like hasslefree and reaper are getting my dosh while GW gets nothing.

Thanks for pushing me out GW, the world is a lot better out of your shadow!

What amuses me is that I already have anything I could possibly want or care for in my armies.

And if I want anything more? Well, not touching Finecast with a ten foot pole and E-bay shall be my friend for cheap metals and plastics to strip clean.

I'm hoping that they do freeze on pricing, I am ok with where they are at now as I have budgeted for $50 monthly on GW, increases liek this would likely result in onlt getting a kit ever other month an jus tleaving the rest of the budgeted gw funds in the account hopefully they don't do the price jump

As with any hobby, 40k is an investment. A heavy one at that, but none the less an incredible investment.

Albeit the price increase from their pewter line to the new "finecast" has been rather rough around the edges, so to speak (no pun intended) - seeing as we all know that resin is a much cheaper material that can, and quite often does retain a higher margin of error in its casting process - you have to take what's there and put it into perspective. I've done this quite often with myself and helped others in the same way by asking a simple question: why is it considered so expensive? Let me try to give as best an example of that question as I can.

If you're a gamer, you spend money on video games; and quite often, too. Most new AAA titles are within the 59.99 range: that's $60 per game! Most new games, all in all, regardless of being AAA titles or not, are still $59.99 either way. So if there were 3 games you were interested in within a 2 month release schedule, that's $180, before tax! Let alone the console you initially bought ($300), an extra wireless controller (or two) to play games with friends ($100), some peripherals including a carry case to take your stuff to lan's/ friends houses (~$50); hell, perhaps a subscription service of some sort or credit for online amenities (~$50): That's already well over $600 spent (before tax!).

Lets put that even further into perspective and presume that one has owned their console since the beginning of this generation's life-cycle. In the time they've owned it, what with the release of newer and newer peripherals and miscellaneous products, let alone every triple-A title that's been released since 2006 - AND counting all possible DLC - a single person with a single console system could easily invest over $2000 into their "hobby." This estimate isn't even including those who would have MORE than one console - maybe all three? What about hand-helds and other miscellaneous subscriptions? People playing WoW spend $15 a month on their subscription and that game has been out for more than 5 years; let's say they've been playing for merely 5 years, that would total out to be $900 alone. People who play WoW don't only play that one game, either. They tend to have other games, other things they "do." Other hobbies combined with even more hobbies = a LOT of $$$ spent on said hobbies.

I'll make this part short - what about people who play a lot of table top games? Board games? People like YOU: people who play other miniature games? The money spent on said games is enormous. Some board games go for $99 a piece! And I doubt that any table-top gamer would have only ONE board game to play. The people I've known have a huge library of games ranging from every genre known which could easily add up to hundreds of dollars for those games alone: that's not even considering what video-games, dvd's or other random niceties they own.

If you're coming from one hobby and getting into 40k, then yes: it will be over-priced, expensive etc. Although, it all depends on what YOU want to do with it, how far you want to take it. Looking at it objectively, the hobby itself isn't very expensive compared to any other hobby. But, on it's own, yes: W40k is very expensive and I do agree that GW is doing their customer base wrongly by hiking such prices, especially in light of their transferal to resin: a MUCH CHEAPER material to produce/construct. From a business standpoint, it makes sense. From an ethical and, moreover, a logical standpoint, it makes as much sense as a flying monkey playing a tuba.

There are many different methods to go about playing 40k. As someone mentioned before, you don't need a 4000pt army to enjoy warhammer, not at all. I've talked 4 other people to get into 40k in the past three months alone, good friends, my girlfriend, even!! What was spent? $50 on paints, brushes and tools and $110 - $115 on a battle-force of their choosing. That's $165 maximum on a new army that is totally playable AND enjoyable. Anything else is entirely up to them to buy, but NOT NECESSARY, which is the point of this rant: compared to other hobbies, 40k is all the same in making the conscious choice to mold what this hobby is to the individual. It CAN be overly expensive, it CAN be "unfair" - it all depends on your perspective. Starting off, 40k could easily be well under $200 for a game that will last a long, long time. Comparatively, that's a whole heck of a lot cheaper than many other hobbies. Also, the models never change nor need to be changed, there isn't a subscription service to play - in the end, it's all up to the player to make it what it is to them. Even Codexs, rule-books and the like are easy enough to come by without having to pay and arm and a leg for: this is the digital age, mind you.. just saying, there is always a means to an end in some form or another to find what you're looking for, so you don't always have to spend your hard earned cash on every pithy detail of said hobby(/ies) - I'm just making a valid point, please don't chew my head off.

Again, GW admittedly does some shady, if not utterly selfish things with their marketing decisions, but let's face it: you make of it what you need it to be for YOU. If you don't like the price hike, don't buy. If you don't mind the price hike, I would say to just be careful with your money and perhaps invest more intelligently. Either way, 40k will still be here, still be sold as is, and still be making a profit for a long time to come. If this hobby isn't what you need it to be for you; if you don't agree with it and must actively choose to not buy from GW anymore: that's your choice!

Proioxis© wrote:As with any hobby, 40k is an investment. A heavy one at that, but none the less an incredible investment.

Albeit the price increase from their pewter line to the new "finecast" has been rather rough around the edges, so to speak (no pun intended) - seeing as we all know that resin is a much cheaper material that can, and quite often does retain a higher margin of error in its casting process - you have to take what's there and put it into perspective. I've done this quite often with myself and helped others in the same way by asking a simple question: why is it considered so expensive? Let me try to give as best an example of that question as I can.

If you're a gamer, you spend money on video games; and quite often, too. Most new AAA titles are within the 59.99 range: that's $60 per game! Most new games, all in all, regardless of being AAA titles or not, are still $59.99 either way. So if there were 3 games you were interested in within a 2 month release schedule, that's $180, before tax! Let alone the console you initially bought ($300), an extra wireless controller (or two) to play games with friends ($100), some peripherals including a carry case to take your stuff to lan's/ friends houses (~$50); hell, perhaps a subscription service of some sort or credit for online amenities (~$50): That's already well over $600 spent (before tax!).

Lets put that even further into perspective and presume that one has owned their console since the beginning of this generation's life-cycle. In the time they've owned it, what with the release of newer and newer peripherals and miscellaneous products, let alone every triple-A title that's been released since 2006 - AND counting all possible DLC - a single person with a single console system could easily invest over $2000 into their "hobby." This estimate isn't even including those who would have MORE than one console - maybe all three? What about hand-helds and other miscellaneous subscriptions? People playing WoW spend $15 a month on their subscription and that game has been out for more than 5 years; let's say they've been playing for merely 5 years, that would total out to be $900 alone. People who play WoW don't only play that one game, either. They tend to have other games, other things they "do." Other hobbies combined with even more hobbies = a LOT of $$$ spent on said hobbies.

I'll make this part short - what about people who play a lot of table top games? Board games? People like YOU: people who play other miniature games? The money spent on said games is enormous. Some board games go for $99 a piece! And I doubt that any table-top gamer would have only ONE board game to play. The people I've known have a huge library of games ranging from every genre known which could easily add up to hundreds of dollars for those games alone: that's not even considering what video-games, dvd's or other random niceties they own.

If you're coming from one hobby and getting into 40k, then yes: it will be over-priced, expensive etc. Although, it all depends on what YOU want to do with it, how far you want to take it. Looking at it objectively, the hobby itself isn't very expensive compared to any other hobby. But, on it's own, yes: W40k is very expensive and I do agree that GW is doing their customer base wrongly by hiking such prices, especially in light of their transferal to resin: a MUCH CHEAPER material to produce/construct. From a business standpoint, it makes sense. From an ethical and, moreover, a logical standpoint, it makes as much sense as a flying monkey playing a tuba.

There are many different methods to go about playing 40k. As someone mentioned before, you don't need a 4000pt army to enjoy warhammer, not at all. I've talked 4 other people to get into 40k in the past three months alone, good friends, my girlfriend, even!! What was spent? $50 on paints, brushes and tools and $110 - $115 on a battle-force of their choosing. That's $165 maximum on a new army that is totally playable AND enjoyable. Anything else is entirely up to them to buy, but NOT NECESSARY, which is the point of this rant: compared to other hobbies, 40k is all the same in making the conscious choice to mold what this hobby is to the individual. It CAN be overly expensive, it CAN be "unfair" - it all depends on your perspective. Starting off, 40k could easily be well under $200 for a game that will last a long, long time. Comparatively, that's a whole heck of a lot cheaper than many other hobbies. Also, the models never change nor need to be changed, there isn't a subscription service to play - in the end, it's all up to the player to make it what it is to them. Even Codexs, rule-books and the like are easy enough to come by without having to pay and arm and a leg for: this is the digital age, mind you.. just saying, there is always a means to an end in some form or another to find what you're looking for, so you don't always have to spend your hard earned cash on every pithy detail of said hobby(/ies) - I'm just making a valid point, please don't chew my head off.

Again, GW admittedly does some shady, if not utterly selfish things with their marketing decisions, but let's face it: you make of it what you need it to be for YOU. If you don't like the price hike, don't buy. If you don't mind the price hike, I would say to just be careful with your money and perhaps invest more intelligently. Either way, 40k will still be here, still be sold as is, and still be making a profit for a long time to come. If this hobby isn't what you need it to be for you; if you don't agree with it and must actively choose to not buy from GW anymore: that's your choice!

Quality Post!

For an example of this, I personally own around 5000 points of painted Tyranids, a 2000 point Deathwing army, and a few gaming tables. Amount of money spent on the hobby? Around $1000 in tournament tickets and travelling to events, around $2000 in my own personal armies and terrain board, and a few hundred in paints and hobby supplies. Now talking about going out, socializing, and spending moeny in general... eh I tend to blow quick a bit of money. I've recently turned 21 in the US. Bars are now a regular thing with guys and coworkers.

Going out to eat and going to bars nets around 75-100$ a week. Girlfriend? Breakfast before work? Random Wawa coffee purchases and energy drinks? Around 60-100$ a week. Now after bills I have around a chunk of XYZ$ left to save or blow. Warhammer is cheaper then continually going out every week! You also get models that last you a decade!

Total Investment of 40k = 3500$~ over 6 years
Total made off 40k in Commissions/Ebay flipping = 15-20k over 5 years
Frivolous Activities = 400-800 monthly

blood lance wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:I may(MAY) grab a couple more boxes of Chaos Warriors and Pink Horrors before the annual Raping of the wallets, but other than that, it's all OOP metal blisters and FW for me. Luckily, the local Hobbytown USA's still have a decent stock of metals, all marked down to sell to make room for more Finecast stuff(that isn't selling there).

I wont buy Overpriced GW models, Ill just buy exspensive OOP models and exspensive forgeworld models.
Jus saying.

Man that $2 Fimir was soooo expensive. And that $16 MiB Vermin Lord I'm about to buy is just going to break the bank! Where are you getting your OOP models that they're expensive?

Also, with the newest price rice, FW is actually getting to be LESS expensive than main branch GW.

@Auxellion:

agreeing with Proioxis© here... compared to what I put into other hobbies and the time i've gotten out of my models its a pretty good investment. I spend most saturdays and wednesdays at my flgs and spend about $50 per month on minis... I probably have 800-1k in models as i've been playing for a year and a half and some months i've overspent. a bit

if i miss one wed per month and one saturday per month... and I spend around 3 hours on wed and 5 hours on saturdays gaming that comes down to 18 weeks worth missed in 18 months playing , so 60 weeks worth of playing at 8 hours per week or 480 hours worth of gaming assumign the high end of $1000 into it i've spent across 3 armies... $2.08 per hour played

that isn't counting the occational at home game or jsut deciding some sundays to play with friends at the flgs to ... playing 40k is in fact much cheaper per hour then going to the movies or any numebr of activities one might consider. i think net flix / huluplus are about the only better deals entertainment time wise that I have

*add* another thing to note is the place I play at also has pay by the hour computer gaming and console gaming for $4.00 per hour last time i checked. so i'm actually paying half what the people who always come over and say they want to start 40k but that its to expensive do assuming they are there 8 hours per week

Proioxis© wrote:@Auxellion:

Srs

I tend to go out 3~ times a week for a night out. Factored in with how much money I generally spend on food anyway (Have my own place) - I go through a fairly large chunk of money each month. This monthw as especially bad due to the influx of college friends that came back these past few weeks

@mattyrm, when a government's solution to unemployment is to come up with the 'brilliant' plan to make it easier for bosses to sack people, it is laughable that you question my politics. Oh pious one if you you can't say anything sensible it may perhaps be sensible to say nothing at all!