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2012/05/21 06:08:34
Subject: Re:Elementary, my dear Lucy Liu - CBS is doing their own version of a modern Sherlock Holmes
There seem to be two trends in entertainment right now, making stuff about Sherlock Holmes, and making shows where a quirky couple are independantly contracted by the police to solve crimes.
I kind of get the Sherlock Holmes thing, I mean those silly Robert Downey Jr movies are making pretty good bank, and the BBC series has a fine reputation (I haven't seen it). So why not cash in on the trend?
But I absolutely do not get the trend for all these shows about not-policemen solving crimes for the police. I think it started with Monk, and since then we've had Castle, Psych and about a half dozen others. They've all got the same formula, where the oddball couple trade supposedly witty bickering as they go through the motions as any more traditional police procedural. At least one of the two characters is 'quirky' in some way.
Anyhow, this is just two trends bumping together, in a show that'll almost certainly have 'gonna get cancelled buzz' before the first episode airs, and I'm going to speculate that the announcement to cut it will be made before the fifth episode is aired. The market is just too crowded for this formula, and Jonny Lee Miller is not good enough to get people watching.
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2012/05/21 07:20:23
Subject: Elementary, my dear Lucy Liu - CBS is doing their own version of a modern Sherlock Holmes
sebster wrote:There seem to be two trends in entertainment right now, making stuff about Sherlock Holmes, and making shows where a quirky couple are independantly contracted by the police to solve crimes.
I kind of get the Sherlock Holmes thing, I mean those silly Robert Downey Jr movies are making pretty good bank, and the BBC series has a fine reputation (I haven't seen it). So why not cash in on the trend?
But I absolutely do not get the trend for all these shows about not-policemen solving crimes for the police. I think it started with Monk, and since then we've had Castle, Psych and about a half dozen others. They've all got the same formula, where the oddball couple trade supposedly witty bickering as they go through the motions as any more traditional police procedural. At least one of the two characters is 'quirky' in some way.
Anyhow, this is just two trends bumping together, in a show that'll almost certainly have 'gonna get cancelled buzz' before the first episode airs, and I'm going to speculate that the announcement to cut it will be made before the fifth episode is aired. The market is just too crowded for this formula, and Jonny Lee Miller is not good enough to get people watching.
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sebster wrote:[But I absolutely do not get the trend for all these shows about not-policemen solving crimes for the police.
This seems to have been the basis for allot of detective fiction for sometime, how else would you know what I mean when I refer to little old ladies solving crime. It also feels like it is the basis for most British crime shows for forever.
Re this show, while I thought the premise was to contrived the clip seem fairly polished with the one major flaw of JLM sucking eggs. I can see American audiences liking this if they can get past these it'd know-it-all Limey showing up NY finest. They probably won't, I reckon there will be 2 seasons tops.
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2012/05/21 11:12:27
Subject: Re:Elementary, my dear Lucy Liu - CBS is doing their own version of a modern Sherlock Holmes
sebster wrote:There seem to be two trends in entertainment right now, making stuff about Sherlock Holmes, and making shows where a quirky couple are independantly contracted by the police to solve crimes.
I kind of get the Sherlock Holmes thing, I mean those silly Robert Downey Jr movies are making pretty good bank, and the BBC series has a fine reputation (I haven't seen it). So why not cash in on the trend?
But I absolutely do not get the trend for all these shows about not-policemen solving crimes for the police. I think it started with Monk, and since then we've had Castle, Psych and about a half dozen others. They've all got the same formula, where the oddball couple trade supposedly witty bickering as they go through the motions as any more traditional police procedural. At least one of the two characters is 'quirky' in some way.
Anyhow, this is just two trends bumping together, in a show that'll almost certainly have 'gonna get cancelled buzz' before the first episode airs, and I'm going to speculate that the announcement to cut it will be made before the fifth episode is aired. The market is just too crowded for this formula, and Jonny Lee Miller is not good enough to get people watching.
In defence of Sherlock Holmes, it was written before the police really had detectives, and Holmes is a champion of the empirical method, not a private contractor ripping off the state.
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2012/05/21 13:10:36
Subject: Elementary, my dear Lucy Liu - CBS is doing their own version of a modern Sherlock Holmes
purplefood wrote:I remember reading the BBC weren't too happy about this...
As well they shouldn't. The latest BBC reboot was/is brilliant. The US one has an odor about it...
Well IIRC they were considering suing over it...
How are they going to have a case? All your Holmes are belong to us?
Not only is Conan Doyle out of copyright but Sherlock Holmes is the most frequently depicted fictional character, according to Guinness Book of Records.
For exmaple, amongst others the Soviet Union did a really good Holmes back in the 70's.
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2012/05/21 15:31:52
Subject: Elementary, my dear Lucy Liu - CBS is doing their own version of a modern Sherlock Holmes
purplefood wrote:I remember reading the BBC weren't too happy about this...
As well they shouldn't. The latest BBC reboot was/is brilliant. The US one has an odor about it...
Well IIRC they were considering suing over it...
How are they going to have a case? All your Holmes are belong to us?
AFAIK they believed the US version was very similar to the current British one...
They probably dropped it to be honest i only read it in passing.
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2012/05/21 16:10:29
Subject: Elementary, my dear Lucy Liu - CBS is doing their own version of a modern Sherlock Holmes
purplefood wrote:AFAIK they believed the US version was very similar to the current British one...
They probably dropped it to be honest i only read it in passing.
I remember reading something about that as well awhile back. It was vague at the time and seems nothing came of it.
The investigator as a force outside the legal system isn't a new trend and goes back quite a ways in TV and film so I'm not sure I would count that as a recent trend.
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2012/05/21 16:39:28
Subject: Elementary, my dear Lucy Liu - CBS is doing their own version of a modern Sherlock Holmes
America can do a decent Holmes adaptation, look at House, but this Elementary seems to be being made as a cash in, not a piece that was made for its own artistic merit. That's the problem, it just reeks of exploitation of the character and the audience.
