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Probably because you guys are just about completely wrong about the use of parentheses. They are *NOT* supposed to have essential information. They are meant for information that is relevant but not essential; like a clarification, or an afterthought.

You should be able to remove any parenthetical statement, and not change the meaning of the passage. Regardless of how anyone feels about the S of this power, the GW used the parentheses incorrectly here.

But that also means that all of you harping on he 'importance' of the parentheses, and what "parentheses mean" are completely off base.





While I agree that Psy powers are considered 'weapons'; I can't find that anywhere. Does anyone have a page for that? Or some other way of proving it. It makes sense to me, but I can't seem to prove it.

coredump wrote:Probably because you guys are just about completely wrong about the use of parentheses. They are *NOT* supposed to have essential information. They are meant for information that is relevant but not essential; like a clarification, or an afterthought.

You should be able to remove any parenthetical statement, and not change the meaning of the passage. Regardless of how anyone feels about the S of this power, the GW used the parentheses incorrectly here.

But that also means that all of you harping on he 'importance' of the parentheses, and what "parentheses mean" are completely off base.





While I agree that Psy powers are considered 'weapons'; I can't find that anywhere. Does anyone have a page for that? Or some other way of proving it. It makes sense to me, but I can't seem to prove it.

They "count as" ... see page 69 under Witchfire.

It count as firing an assault weapon, does that equate it to being an assault weapon?

SCvodimier wrote:It count as firing an assault weapon, does that equate it to being an assault weapon?

In the context of the Witchfire description, it just means that you can use it in the shooting phase and still assault in the assault phase.

However many have differing opinions on "count as" and "treated as" to be honest i am not 100% sure about that myself.

Hm it seems to me That I could have sworn strength can never go over 10. Can someone cite the relevant rules and used spells etc for me to take my own gander at this please? Im just not getting where noob is citing his rules against anyone elses. Thankyou.

coredump wrote:Probably because you guys are just about completely wrong about the use of parentheses. They are *NOT* supposed to have essential information. They are meant for information that is relevant but not essential; like a clarification, or an afterthought.
You should be able to remove any parenthetical statement, and not change the meaning of the passage. Regardless of how anyone feels about the S of this power, the GW used the parentheses incorrectly here.
But that also means that all of you harping on he 'importance' of the parentheses, and what "parentheses mean" are completely off base.

Captain Antivas wrote:The problem with your argument, and noob's as well, is that it takes each individual part of a sentence and analyses it separately. Context is everything. You roll 2d6 and determine what the str is. Once you have your roll you look to the parentheses and determine what to do with that. The parentheses offer more information and clarify what the first part of the sentence said. In this case you roll the dice and if you get an 11 or 12 you ignore the str and go right to wounding. I can see an argument for capping at str 10 but not allowing str12 attacks. Not even a MC can do that.

?? How am I wrong about the use of parentheses?

Because this:
"Once you have your roll you look to the parentheses and determine what to do with that."
and
"The parentheses offer more information..."

Is not what parentheses are meant to do. You should never 'need' to look at what is in parentheses. So, when you later try and claim:
"...but I would try asking an English teacher about what parentheses do."

Or when Kel says:
"Or you could learn what the Parentheses mean. "

You are simply, completely wrong about what 'parentheses do'.

The rules are on page 50, there are 3 "types" of weapon allowed
Ones that use the str of the model(CCW, PS), they are capped at 10 because the model is capped at 10
Ones that modify the str of the model (PK, Big Choppa), they modify the stat of the model, the model is capped at 10 so the weapon is capped at 10
Fixed Str, these have their own number between 1 and 10 and do not interact with model str

Crush is a Fixed Str as the moment you have rolled the dice you have a fixed number between 1 and 10(11 and 12 do something else) and it doesn't interact with the models str.

maxcarrion wrote:
Crush is a Fixed Str as the moment you have rolled the dice you have a fixed number between 1 and 10(11 and 12 do something else) and it doesn't interact with the models str.

Crush is definitely not a "fixed" strength weapon, it is variable strength as it is defined by a dice roll that has varying results.

Just like half a dozen other weapons using 2d6 as their strength, which can't go above 10 either.

Just as a side note: I retract my previous assertion that Crush would not be affected by the S10 cap. (I always thought it 'should', but I now believe it *does*)

But I maintain my assertion that this leads us to a roll of 11/12 means a S10 auto wound.

coredump wrote:Just as a side note: I retract my previous assertion that Crush would not be affected by the S10 cap. (I always thought it 'should', but I now believe it *does*)

But I maintain my assertion that this leads us to a roll of 11/12 means a S10 auto wound.

Agreed. If you get the great roll you get to count as S10 and auto penetrate. Much better than having to roll to penetrate a Landraider.