Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

dogma wrote:

Orlanth wrote:
Its not in the Gawkers interest to report what Romney's advisers said unembellished. To some extent this is their fault, spinsters ought to remember, perpetually, that is something can be taken out of context by one side or the other for partisan gain, it will.

The first sentence in the Gawker article attributes the quote to "The Telegraph". Two seconds of Google searching reveals the original source to be The Daily Telegraph.

So they just provided a link then? No they focused in removing context in order to slant the comments.

Come on give your brain a chance. The eventual source is not as relevant as the article itself which was heavily edited to remove context and reduce it to a race jibe. The Telegraph didnt do that, they highlighted the comment and considered it controversial, but left it in context; which is Romneys take on repairing the damage in relations between the US and the UK, not whether non-whites are acceptible presidents.

Orlanth wrote:

Come on give your brain a chance.

I can't wait to bust out this phrase the next time one of my friends picks up a drink!

So the term WASP stands for White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant male.

So, I am going to show my ignorance; but are there Anglo-Saxons who are not white?

There are whites who aren't anglo-saxon.

Well you could say ASP, but that doesn't sound as good?

What about us WASCs? White, Anglo-Saxon Catholics?

Easy E wrote:So the term WASP stands for White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant male.

So, I am going to show my ignorance; but are there Anglo-Saxons who are not white?

I thought it stood for.
"White Affluent Suberban Parent"

why no name though

kronk wrote:What about us WASCs? White, Anglo-Saxon Catholics?

You're outsiders. That's the point of the acronym, to emphasise how the ruling elite of the USA come from a particular class.

It isn't as true now as it was 50 years ago. Bear in mind that Kennedy is still the only catholic president, though. Obama is the only non-white, etc.

Easy E wrote:

So, I am going to show my ignorance; but are there Anglo-Saxons who are not white?

Possibly, we don't know for sure. Medieval London was known to have blacks in the population, we don't know when the black community in London began, its very possible it arrived with the Romans. This could possibly make them 'Anglo Saxon' if they were part of the Anglo Saxon nations populations.

SilverMK2 wrote:I'd go so far as to speculate that the US has one of the highest black populations outside of Africa itself. To deny that influence on American culture doesn't make sense. Nor does it make sense for a nation which only exists because people immigrated from elsewhere to try and say 'you were not one of the awesome cool original immigrants so shut up!' Is pretty silly... Neither is anyone else alive today, or for a coupple of hundred years - everyone is American, no matter the colour of their skin.

But dem blackz ar all muzlims so DAY EBUL!

Orlanth wrote:Come on give your brain a chance. The eventual source is not as relevant as the article itself which was heavily edited to remove context and reduce it to a race jibe. The Telegraph didnt do that, they highlighted the comment and considered it controversial, but left it in context; which is Romneys take on repairing the damage in relations between the US and the UK, not whether non-whites are acceptible presidents.

I did.

And yet, given Romney's racist religion, belonging to a party that basically plays against xenophobic fears and oftentimes does racist things, and the fact that Obama is not white and has been repeatedly attacked for not being white, the connotation of the phrase is obvious.

But then again, I suppose you don't want my brain to work THAT much-- just want it to work just enough to agree with you, amirite?

If you changed Mitt Romney's nationality to Eastern European the press in the West, including the US would be denouncing him as a right wing, religious facist. Just look at the racisim noise made about the Euro's being held in Poland / Ukraine. Panorama had a report showing facist / racist behaviour going on at a handful of football games. However it's ok for one of the main political parties in the US to keep having a dig about his colour. On top of this you also had plenty of people interviewd during the election, and even now still,metaphorically spitting in his direction because he's black!

Any other country would be shunned for this behaviour and it just amazes me that you still get away with it on the world stage.

Orlanth wrote:
So they just provided a link then? No they focused in removing context in order to slant the comments.

No, they copied a story that had been posted on numerous other websites. Again, Google is your friend.

As I said above, Gawker is a crappy version of TMZ.

Orlanth wrote:
Come on give your brain a chance. The eventual source is not as relevant as the article itself which was heavily edited to remove context and reduce it to a race jibe.

Dude, this is the internet. It takes less than 5 seconds to source anything you read, less when the source is given by the article in question, and less still when the quote is broken from the article.

Which, by the way, didn't reduce it to a race jibe.

Orlanth wrote:
The Telegraph didnt do that, they highlighted the comment and considered it controversial, but left it in context; which is Romneys take on repairing the damage in relations between the US and the UK, not whether non-whites are acceptible presidents.

Second sentence in the Telegraph article:

In remarks that may prompt accusations of racial insensitivity, one suggested that Mr Romney was better placed to understand the depth of ties between the two countries than Mr Obama, whose father was from Africa.

Oh, and third sentence in the Gawker article:

When explaining why Romney would have a better grasp of the relationship between the United States and the U.K., the adviser had this to say—

ZOMG, so misleading! Well, to someone who doesn't actually read the articles being debated.

Easy E wrote:So the term WASP stands for White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant male.

So Romney is a WAMM?

dogma wrote:
As I said above, Gawker is a crappy version of TMZ.

Agreed. Which explains my earlier post. Romney's entourage need to be extremely careful in what they say to who and how, so far they havent been.

I have no real critique of Gawker though here, the press is not expected to be neutral, and this gaffe was too good an opportunity to pass up.

dogma wrote:
Second sentence in the Telegraph article:

In remarks that may prompt accusations of racial insensitivity, one suggested that Mr Romney was better placed to understand the depth of ties between the two countries than Mr Obama, whose father was from Africa.

The Telegraph makes the comments yes, but the article goes on a lot longer than that placing it in context. The context is mostly overhshadowed by the gaffe hence the article title, but still the Telegraph was fair enough to place the full context. It wasn't in Gawkers interest to do same, thus the article they wrote covers the gaffe and little else.

Orlanth wrote:
The Telegraph makes the comments yes, but the article goes on a lot longer than that placing it in context.

Longer doesn't mean "more context". You can place something in context without a jeremiad.

Orlanth wrote:
The context is mostly overhshadowed by the gaffe hence the article title, but still the Telegraph was fair enough to place the full context. It wasn't in Gawkers interest to do same, thus the article they wrote covers the gaffe and little else.

Right, so you're opposed to summaries. Good to know.

LordofHats wrote:The race card. Because it always ends well.

And what kind of a name is Sununu?

Sununu is anglo-saxon for "racist douche"

CT GAMER wrote:

LordofHats wrote:The race card. Because it always ends well.

And what kind of a name is Sununu?

Sununu is anglo-saxon for "racist douche"

That's awfully convenient...

Melissia wrote:
I did.

And yet, given Romney's racist religion, belonging to a party that basically plays against xenophobic fears and oftentimes does racist things, and the fact that Obama is not white and has been repeatedly attacked for not being white, the connotation of the phrase is obvious.

But then again, I suppose you don't want my brain to work THAT much-- just want it to work just enough to agree with you, amirite?

Funnily enough the world doesn't revolve around you. Open yourself to the possibility that when someone replies quoting someone else they might be addressing what someone else said.

Orlanth wrote:Open yourself to the possibility that when someone replies quoting someone else they might be addressing what someone else said.

Open yourself up to the possibility that this forum allows people to reply to things that aren't directed to them.

I don't care how many things Obama has gotten wrong, Romney is such a clown that my vote is still with Obama, or at least it would be if I was American and old enough to vote.

Jihadin wrote:"Be American" can only be white. Seriously......you actually think Romney thinks that?

It sure sounds like that's what he said.

Melissia wrote:They're also sexist as well.

Sexism promoted by a church is still sexism.

Indeed, and unlike someone's heritage being in question, religion is always a choice.

If any of the Republican's crazy claims about Obamas heritage were true well, you can't blame someone for their heritage.

But you can sure as hell hold someone to account for the ridiculous belief system they choose to follow.

Orlanth wrote:
Funnily enough the world doesn't revolve around you.

And yet you try so hard.

Dogma gets +1 on his next skill roll because he used the word 'jeremiad'.

Just found this quote from Romney's book.


Shows what he really thinks of 'America's strongest ally'...

YOu say that as if you think Romney actually wrote it. He probably had someone else write it, which imo makes it worse

Oh Gawd no....think they invade us in retaliation?...rather do a shooting match with Matty armed with a rubber band gun then have them send all their "Chavs" at us in their first wave of "attacks"

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Just found this quote from Romney's book.
Shows what he really thinks of 'America's strongest ally'...

In all fairness, it's nearly impossible to find an issue that Mr. Romney doesn't support both sides of.

Ouze wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Just found this quote from Romney's book.
Shows what he really thinks of 'America's strongest ally'...

In all fairness, it's nearly impossible to find an issue that Mr. Romney doesn't support both sides of.

Mitt Romney, the most bipartisan man in the world!