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2012/07/31 22:54:50
Subject: Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Perfect Shot Black Templar Predator Pilot
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I actually see it playing out differently. Since the Adepta Sororitas is part of the Ecclesiarchy, they basically worship the Emperor as a God. Seeing as pre-heresy this is the exact thing the Emperor was trying to stop (any religion for that matter), I think that despite their knowledge of the future they would be viewed with angst. I think the Emperor would force them to disband in their current state, and if he did anything with them, would work them into places where they can be watched and forced to keep their mouths shut.
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2012/07/31 23:05:41
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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This is pre-Monarchia, people. The height of the Great Crusade...assuming they get subdued, whatever information they possess will be ripped from their heads and used by the Emperor to prevent the Horus Heresy. Lorgar in particular needs to know the nightmare of the 41st Millennium - better way to make him stop worshippping something than burning a city to the ground.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/01 00:56:13
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Alternatively, he could be inspired to allow Lorgar's worship under very tight reins, seeing the true and pure devotion in the Sister. It's really impossible to say-- the Emperor is never written consistently.
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2012/08/01 01:02:08
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Tadashi wrote:This is pre-Monarchia, people. The height of the Great Crusade...assuming they get subdued, whatever information they possess will be ripped from their heads and used by the Emperor to prevent the Horus Heresy. Lorgar in particular needs to know the nightmare of the 41st Millennium - better way to make him stop worshippping something than burning a city to the ground.
You are assuming he didn't already know.
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2012/08/01 02:38:28
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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pretre wrote:Tadashi wrote:This is pre-Monarchia, people. The height of the Great Crusade...assuming they get subdued, whatever information they possess will be ripped from their heads and used by the Emperor to prevent the Horus Heresy. Lorgar in particular needs to know the nightmare of the 41st Millennium - better way to make him stop worshippping something than burning a city to the ground.
You are assuming he didn't already know.
Either you're saying the Emperor planned the Horus Heresy to happen, or that he's omniscient, which is impossible.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/01 02:43:38
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Neither is impossible.
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2012/08/01 02:50:08
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Ok...but he's definitely not omniscient.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/01 02:52:11
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Hallowed Canoness
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Manchu wrote:Neither is impossible.
Indeed, at the Emperor's level of sheer power, is omniscience really so unbelieveable? Or the fact that the Emperor was /very/ smart and he knew his sons. He might not have known Horus would betray him, but why wouldn't he have planned extensively for a possibly catastrophic mass betrayal? Knowing that one of his remaining sons, whether it be Horus, Gulliman, Dorn, the Lion, etc would do what needed to be done to preserve the Imperium and humanity.
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I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
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2012/08/01 03:04:32
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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KalashnikovMarine wrote:Manchu wrote:Neither is impossible.
Indeed, at the Emperor's level of sheer power, is omniscience really so unbelieveable? Or the fact that the Emperor was /very/ smart and he knew his sons. He might not have known Horus would betray him, but why wouldn't he have planned extensively for a possibly catastrophic mass betrayal? Knowing that one of his remaining sons, whether it be Horus, Gulliman, Dorn, the Lion, etc would do what needed to be done to preserve the Imperium and humanity.
I doubt that included him being reduced to mummified corpse on the Golden Throne, kept alive only by its arcane mechanisms. Or the Imperium being reduced from a vigorous and progressive empire into a stagnant, and slowly decaying waste.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/01 03:12:19
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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What if that period of declIne was necessary for humanity to survive? What if the only way he would survive long enough to ensure that dream was the throne?
The Emperor would do whatever he needed to to save humanity. Theres precedent for saviors sacrificing themselves to save us from sin/ourselves/aliens/the pockyclypse.
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2012/08/01 05:25:13
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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pretre wrote:What if that period of declIne was necessary for humanity to survive? What if the only way he would survive long enough to ensure that dream was the throne?
The Emperor would do whatever he needed to to save humanity. Theres precedent for saviors sacrificing themselves to save us from sin/ourselves/aliens/the pockyclypse.
Unlikely...as the events of the Horus Heresy make it clear the old man didn't plan for everything.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/01 10:34:11
Subject: Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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On a purely technological level the AdMech would wet themselves over the Power Armour. Sure, it's not Astartes grade craftsmanship, but it's 10,000 years more advanced than anything they'd have access to.
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2012/08/01 10:50:44
Subject: Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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AlmightyWalrus wrote:On a purely technological level the AdMech would wet themselves over the Power Armour. Sure, it's not Astartes grade craftsmanship, but it's 10,000 years more advanced than anything they'd have access to.
The novelty would fade rather quickly...the Mechanicum were less stingy with STCs back then, not to mention less superstitious. Proof of this is the superior equipment and load-out of the Imperial Army - things that are rare in the 41st Millennium like Vanquishers, Executioners, Destroyers, and even Baneblades were rather common fare back during the 31st Millennium. Sure, the Sisters' gear is sweet, but once they figure out what makes it 'tick' (which wouldn't take long, as I said, they were less dogmatic and superstitious at the time and more daring and innovative), they'd configure it to Legio Astartes standards and use the combined data to create a Mk. V Power Armor that's probably superior even to Mk. VIII Power Armor.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/01 11:48:25
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Hallowed Canoness
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Aren't Baneblades listed as "Light Tanks" on their STC?
and it's still possible the Big E knew his "sorta" death and the fall was coming, but put it on his sons to lead the Imperium through it... or expected that when the heresy came it wouldn't be nearly on the scale that Horus pulled off. Great men are prone to hind sight, even with near omniscience from a series or two I've read with characters on a similar scale.
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I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
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2012/08/01 11:54:43
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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KalashnikovMarine wrote:Aren't Baneblades listed as "Light Tanks" on their STC?
They are, but for all intents and purposes they are super-heavies as far as the Imperium is concerned...but if Baneblades were light tanks, I can't help but salivate at what an STC super-heavy would be...not to mention the boons the Mechanicum will give for a complete STC...I want my Chapter re-equipped with STC-grade equipment. *Ahem* Back to topic, my point is that since the Mechanicum were less superstitious and more daring and innovative back then (and not so stingy with tech), any novelty they get from studying the Sisters' gear would quickly fade. They'd learn what they can, compare it with what they have, and build something greater than anything we've seen. BTW...is your avatar a Sister wearing a Grey Knight's ruined helmet? You do realize the blood is toxic, right?
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/01 12:16:58
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Hallowed Canoness
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Tadashi wrote:BTW...is your avatar a Sister wearing a Grey Knight's ruined helmet? You do realize the blood is toxic, right?
It's an obvious allusion to that other avatar. And it's called comic realism. 
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2012/08/01 18:14:09
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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The blood may be toxic, but the purity of their faith allows them to ignore the poisons and, in fact, renders them unto amasec.
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2012/08/01 19:13:02
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Hallowed Canoness
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Lynata wrote:Tadashi wrote:BTW...is your avatar a Sister wearing a Grey Knight's ruined helmet? You do realize the blood is toxic, right?
It's an obvious allusion to that other avatar. And it's called comic realism.
Lynata has it, and Psienesis wraps it up for the score, take an exaltation both of you.
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I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
SoB, IG, SM, SW, Nec, Cus, Tau, FoW Germans, Team Yankee Marines, Battletech Clan Wolf, Mercs
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2012/08/01 19:42:48
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Mutating Changebringer
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Tadashi wrote:pretre wrote:What if that period of declIne was necessary for humanity to survive? What if the only way he would survive long enough to ensure that dream was the throne?
The Emperor would do whatever he needed to to save humanity. Theres precedent for saviors sacrificing themselves to save us from sin/ourselves/aliens/the pockyclypse.
Unlikely...as the events of the Horus Heresy make it clear the old man didn't plan for everything.
Actually he did plan for everything. The Emperor saw the Heresy coming. That's the whole point.
It's explained in the end of Outcast Dead.
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2012/08/01 19:45:00
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Shh. I wasn't spoilering.
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2012/08/06 01:51:54
Subject: The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
Some Throne-Forsaken Battlefield on the other side of the Galaxy
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The experience may well break their sanity, seeing as most Battle-Sisters are Schola Progenium graduates who believe nothing more than that the Emperor is a god.
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