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This will be a terrible, terrible movie.

I can't wait to see it!

Also: Anyone else miss the Cubans from the original. They should have totally stuck with the Cubans. They are about as plausible as the North Koreans and their super-Emp weapon. Why can't he Cubans have a super-EMP weapon? Plus, I thought people from the Middle-East were our "mortal enemies" this week? I can't keep up.

Oh yeah I had forgotten you lot still demonise the Cubans. They will be missed but they are too busy providing a great holiday location to Europeans.

Vive la Revolution and pass the Raspberry Dakari please comrade!

Easy E wrote:This will be a terrible, terrible movie.

I can't wait to see it!

Also: Anyone else miss the Cubans from the original. They should have totally stuck with the Cubans. They are about as plausible as the North Koreans and their super-Emp weapon. Why can't he Cubans have a super-EMP weapon? Plus, I thought people from the Middle-East were our "mortal enemies" this week? I can't keep up.

Its the same reason we have lots of superhero movies, sci fi movies, and US government is evil movies. Blockbusters are now designed for international markets. Any place but NK is a place they would lose ticket sales. So, here comes the titan bestriding the known world that is North Korea.

It looks lame. It doesn't look like it has the cool combat of the original. They've added in some weird commando mission to save the US Hurr! vs. the old, just killin 'em some evil red Menace commies. Although nearly impossible in a cardboard movie, they tried to humanize the Cuban colonel.

Damn, I was hoping it was going to be some kind of return of the Soviets... FOR MOTHER RUSSIA!

Haven't seen Red Dawn as this is posted (queing it up as we speak), but I am really REALLY hoping the end has the US pushing North Korea out, because there is NO WAY IN HELL that North Korea could invade AND HOLD the entire United States.


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Apparently Netflix didn't ge the memo that China WASN'T in this movie anymore...

Straight from Netflix:
When Chinese military forces invade American soil and try to pacify citizens in one community, Marine Jed Eckert (Chris Hemsworth) and a group of his local teenage pals elude capture and go underground to organize a resistance. But their uprising soon faces a ruthless adversary determined to stomp out their grass-roots rebellion. Dan Bradley directs and Josh Peck and Adrianne Palicki co-star in this remake of the hit 1984 drama of the same name.

Well, to be fair, the original had a plausible backstory to allow it to even happen, with it being an alternate world where the US isn't barely a superpower anymore, where the Russians gain support in Mexico and a good chunk of South America. And during the attack on America in the first movie, Russia took China out of the equation by nuking them, plus a portion of the US.

If this is just NK randomly invading, I want to know how they crossed the Atlantic without being noticed. Luckily they have a magic EMP device that they brought along with them so that noone can capture it and use it on them.

Yeah, it's going to be even more stupid if the kids 'win' the war. Or even meaningfully contribute on more than a local level. That was one of the great things about the original - may have been silly as hell, but after establishing the scenario it was fairly reasonable. Just kids who know their way around the mountains conducting some asymmetrical warfare.

Hordini wrote:I know what the US Marines are. A lot of it has to do with how people view them, as well as how they view themselves. I'm not saying the Marines as a whole are elite like the SEALs are elite, but elite doesn't just mean that you have to be selected from general recruitment units. People consider Marines elite because as a branch their minimum standards are higher and their basic training is longer, as well as the whole "every Marine is a rifleman" mindset and the longer training that goes along with that that other branches don't have.

No, seriously, elite does mean that you've been drawn from among the best of the military for a specialist role. That's what it means.

A branch of the armed forces with 200,000 people in it cannot in any sensible way be referred to as elite.

If you want to talk about marines in terms of what they are, you say they're a branch of the armed forces with fairly high standards for physical condition for a general recruitment branch.


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Amaya wrote:Yeah, USMC boot has probably gotten softer since '83 by a fair bit.

There would have been more recruits back then, because there wasn't a war. These days there's a good chance of actually getting shot at so recruitment disappears, and so to keep up numbers you have to make it easier to pass basic.

One of the sad facts of nations - you don't get to have an army and use it to.


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Kid_Kyoto wrote:Back on topic, they could have just created a fictional Asian alliance and throw in a line of dialogue about "today China and North Korea announced they were joining the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" and then had generic evil flags and generic foreign baddies.

China would still whine but the studio probably would not be blacklisted.

Oh well. They made a movie about the spirit of America fighting for freedom, and then backed down at the first sign of resistance.

Pass.

It isn't about being blacklisted. It's about how well it sells in China. Films are made for an international audience these days.

It isn't even anything unique about China. Make the villains French and the French won't see it. Make the villains Americans and Americans won't see it.


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George Spiggott wrote:I know some here consider the origonal to be part of their cultural heritage or something, but this looks like it will suck.

I don't know why you think something can't be both part of their cultural heritage, and not also a really terrible movie.

And yeah, I think the original Red Dawn is one of the most important, formative movies of my childhood, and also a fething terrible movie. I expect this new film will also be completely terrible, but if they do it right it might just be an important part of some war nerd's young life.


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AegisGrimm wrote:If this is just NK randomly invading, I want to know how they crossed the Atlantic without being noticed.

Forget all that, how do they even get there in first place? I mean, to control Japan at the end of WWII the US deployed about 350,000 soldiers. Japan had about 75 million people. The US has 300 million, so completely ignoring the far greater geographic dispersion, they'd need about 1.4 million troops.

So even if we just pretend the US navy army is completely defeated by the magical EMP box and the ground forces are similarly handwaved away, and the fact that North Korea only has about a million active personel, how in the feth do the North Koreans get that many people over the Pacific?

Magic!

Gandalf, Merlin, and Harry Potter have all joined forces with the North Koreans!

Yeah, I miss the Cubans, they always seem to have badass moustaches!! Has it been explained how the North Koreans actually invade the USA? Did they annexe Canada

AegisGrimm wrote:Well, to be fair, the original had a plausible backstory to allow it to even happen, with it being an alternate world where the US isn't barely a superpower anymore, where the Russians gain support in Mexico and a good chunk of South America. And during the attack on America in the first movie, Russia took China out of the equation by nuking them, plus a portion of the US.

If this is just NK randomly invading, I want to know how they crossed the Atlantic without being noticed. Luckily they have a magic EMP device that they brought along with them so that noone can capture it and use it on them.

Clearly, they have not brushed up on the Evil Overlord list.

I love Fantesy, the Koreans actually made a weapon able to take us out

The EMP device in the movie is the only plausible thing in it, unless the NK's nuke parts of the US.

mattyrm wrote: Why are they always US marines on American movies? Is it just because everyone has heard of them?

I mean, the SEALs and Delta are famously good, the Rangers are decent..

The US marines let women in, have appallingly low standards of physical fitness, and do what.. 12 weeks basic training?

My nanna could pass USMC boot!

Wtf did you say about seals being better than rangers???? They ain't fething better than us.