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While intensely disliking the whole tone of that post, I'd very much like to know what makes them 'scum'.

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 nomsheep wrote:
this thread will now go dark places...


Nom

It already went there. This forum is nothing if not in the gutter whenever issues relating to women or protests movements arise. Hell, it's there most of the time in general, this community isn't particularly enlightened or rational.

Also, stop signing your posts. You have a signature section that you are making ample usage of, the signing is just annoying.

You make a good point.

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 nomsheep wrote:
this thread will now go dark places...


Nom

It already went there. This forum is nothing if not in the gutter whenever issues relating to women or protests movements arise. Hell, it's there most of the time in general, this community isn't particularly enlightened or rational.
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The obvious answer is to eliminate off-topic altogether. Dakka is after all a wargaming forum.

The world wouldnt end if game geeks had to go to other more appropriate places to discuss what passes through this section...

 CT GAMER wrote:

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 nomsheep wrote:
this thread will now go dark places...


Nom

It already went there. This forum is nothing if not in the gutter whenever issues relating to women or protests movements arise. Hell, it's there most of the time in general, this community isn't particularly enlightened or rational.
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The obvious answer is to eliminate off-topic altogether. Dakka is after all a wargaming forum.

The world wouldnt end if game geeks had to go to other more appropriate places to discuss what passes through this section...

Off topic isn't what pulls this forum down. Have you even been to Dakka Discussions or YMDC? News and rumors is almost a mirror of any patch notes thread for any blizzard game.

the discussions here (some of them) are often far more intelligent than the discussion part.

Nom

As i said before, the Uk and Us both pull this sort of crap, the russians just dont care that were looking.

 Formosa wrote:
As i said before, the Uk and Us both pull this sort of crap, the russians just dont care that were looking.

There is a rather dramatic difference in degree between U.S./UK media and protest censorship and Russian.

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 nomsheep wrote:
this thread will now go dark places...


Nom

It already went there. This forum is nothing if not in the gutter whenever issues relating to women or protests movements arise. Hell, it's there most of the time in general, this community isn't particularly enlightened or rational.

And yet here you are.

Monster Rain

 Monster Rain wrote:

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 nomsheep wrote:
this thread will now go dark places...


Nom

It already went there. This forum is nothing if not in the gutter whenever issues relating to women or protests movements arise. Hell, it's there most of the time in general, this community isn't particularly enlightened or rational.

And yet here you are.

Monster Rain

It is often hard to not rubberneck when you drive past a trainwreck, even a digital one...

Tell me more about how superior you are to the board that you have posted on several thousand times.

 Monster Rain wrote:
Tell me more about how superior you are to the board that you have posted on several thousand times.

I like to bring clay tablets from on high. It's a hobby.

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
As i said before, the Uk and Us both pull this sort of crap, the russians just dont care that were looking.

There is a rather dramatic difference in degree between U.S./UK media and protest censorship and Russian.

Agreed, the dramatic diference is here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)

Suicide...really....hmmm, conveniant

 Formosa wrote:

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
As i said before, the Uk and Us both pull this sort of crap, the russians just dont care that were looking.

There is a rather dramatic difference in degree between U.S./UK media and protest censorship and Russian.

Agreed, the dramatic diference is here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)

Suicide...really....hmmm, conveniant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#The_Medvedev_presidency

Yeah, a dramatic difference. I agree. A difference in the thousands.

The CPJ lists Russia as "the third deadliest country in the world for journalists" since 1991, exceeded in the number of deaths only by Algeria (1993–1996) and post-invasion Iraq.

It almost makes you feel special for not living there.

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
As i said before, the Uk and Us both pull this sort of crap, the russians just dont care that were looking.

There is a rather dramatic difference in degree between U.S./UK media and protest censorship and Russian.

Agreed, the dramatic diference is here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)

Suicide...really....hmmm, conveniant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#The_Medvedev_presidency

Yeah, a dramatic difference. I agree. A difference in the thousands.

The CPJ lists Russia as "the third deadliest country in the world for journalists" since 1991, exceeded in the number of deaths only by Algeria (1993–1996) and post-invasion Iraq.

It almost makes you feel special for not living there.

Regardless it shows that the West is not squeamish about journalists meeting untimely ends. We just tend to not let it get out. The Russians could care less.

 Monster Rain wrote:
Tell me more about how superior you are to the board that you have posted on several thousand times.

I like trainwrecks?

 Huffy wrote:

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
As i said before, the Uk and Us both pull this sort of crap, the russians just dont care that were looking.

There is a rather dramatic difference in degree between U.S./UK media and protest censorship and Russian.

Agreed, the dramatic diference is here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)

Suicide...really....hmmm, conveniant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#The_Medvedev_presidency

Yeah, a dramatic difference. I agree. A difference in the thousands.

The CPJ lists Russia as "the third deadliest country in the world for journalists" since 1991, exceeded in the number of deaths only by Algeria (1993–1996) and post-invasion Iraq.

It almost makes you feel special for not living there.

Regardless it shows that the West is not squeamish about journalists meeting untimely ends. We just tend to not let it get out. The Russians could care less.

I'd say that one shady case doesn't really prove a rule, nor does it show a particular trend.

ShumaGorath wrote:I'd say that one shady case doesn't really prove a rule, nor does it show a particular trend.

Not only that, but being shady isn't proof of wrongdoing either.

 Huffy wrote:

Regardless it shows that the West is not squeamish about journalists meeting untimely ends. We just tend to not let it get out. The Russians could care less.

Not letting it get out would indicate squeamishness.

 Huffy wrote:

Regardless it shows that the West is not squeamish about journalists meeting untimely ends. We just tend to not let it get out. The Russians could care less.

Actually I don't think the Russians don't care even that much.

 Mannahnin wrote:
Two years in prison?

Putin's government reminds us all that they are right up there with China when it comes to freedom of expression.

At least they weren't killed like some journalists.

Yeah, Putin is a bit of a douche like that. But it's Russia... I kind of expect it.


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 dogma wrote:
Granted, the two countries aren't really comparable due to hugely different social, ethnic, and political structures.

Also demographic and historical ones. They're fairly different.

I can't resist....

 Monster Rain wrote:

Also, when I clicked on this thread I really didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

I can't believe no-one noted this before I did - Monster Rain won this thread 2 pages back

Back OT, I haven't really been following this story too closely, but 2 years seems excessive for this. As has been said abover somewhere, over here you might get a month or 2 at most...

That said, it's not entirely unexpected...

Look, if GG Allin showed up and pulled this off in a church down south he'd be lucky to get out alive. I know there are a lot of atheists out here, but a church is not public property. You may not believe in religion, but you should still respect it, or at least other peoples rights to worship freely.

As for PR, they were idiots. What did they think was going to happen. Show your cheeks and sometimes they will get smacked. Is 2 years excessive, to western standards yes, to Russian standards not really. IF they survive 2 years in a Russian prison (which is pretty tough, tuberculosis anyone?) they will be pretty famous, write books and get gigs. Mission accomplished!

As for Putin....I'll take him over Yeltsin any day. The average Russian is much better off and safer than they were in 98 with Drunki Drunkovich running the joint and giving the place away to the Mafia. Is there still corruption, of course! Show me a country that isn't corrupt? Russian justice a little iron fisted compared to western ideologies.......Shocking, just shocking!

Two years in a Russian jail for putting a half dozen people through the minor inconvenience of a 40 second dance routine... and there's people here saying that's okay and ignoring the very fething obvious fact that this was all about political censorship. Unbelievable, really.

 LordofHats wrote:
The irony is that pseudo-dictator or not, Putin is very popular in Russia. People like him. And frankly, he's not that bad. Compared to some of Russia's Pre-Yeltsin leaders, Putin's a kitten. He seems content to let people be so long as they let him be in charge

Well, compared to some of the earlier Russian leaders everyone on Earth other than Hitler is pretty decent. That doesn't really make Putin's oppression and outright theft of national assets acceptable in the slightest.

I think if they would have learned english and performed their routine in it I would be more sympathetic than I am.

I should care, but I heard their shtick on NPR, and then I didn't.

Two years in a Russian jail for putting a half dozen people through the minor inconvenience of a 40 second dance routine... and there's people here saying that's okay and ignoring the very fething obvious fact that this was all about political censorship. Unbelievable, really.

Now thats funny

 Frazzled wrote:
I should care, but I heard their shtick on NPR, and then I didn't.

Surprise surprise.
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 Andrew1975 wrote:
Look, if GG Allin showed up and pulled this off in a church down south he'd be lucky to get out alive.

That's... Not true. It's not even close to true. That's not even close to being a mistake, you're just lying.


It always (never) surprises me just how awful of a community dakka can be when it comes to such unimportant matters as human rights and freedoms.

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I should care, but I heard their shtick on NPR, and then I didn't.

Surprise surprise.

Edit: I see you "Surprise surprise" and raise you a "surprise!"

Suprise party and we're not invited?