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 Squigsquasher wrote:
And this is why the US constitution sucks. It allows-no, it gives people a RIGHT to carry guns around. Totally daft. Obama, fix this now.

Over my cold dead hands.

 Squigsquasher wrote:
And this is why the US constitution sucks. It allows-no, it gives people a RIGHT to carry guns around. Totally daft. Obama, fix this now.

More people get killed and injured by drunk drivers than by guns. I say we use the same sentencing guidelines for murders commited with a gun on people driving drunk who kill others in wrecks.

 Seaward wrote:
Given the environment they engaged him in, I think it would've required a lot of luck to avoid hurting anybody else. The dude was literally a couple feet away from about six different oblivious bystanders when the shooting started. If initial reports are to be believed, all the injuries occurred not due to people getting directly shot by the cops, but getting hit with debris from the bullets shattering on pavement and the flower pot directly behind the suspect.

The video's up, guys. I posted it. Watch it. It's not as "rargh rampaging NYPD!!!11oneoneeleventy!" as everyone's making it out to be.

The numbers now show 6 victims were hit by fragments and 3 by NYPD bullets.

All nine bystanders caught in the crossfire of a shooting outside New York City's iconic Empire State Building were wounded by two police officers who had never fired their weapons on duty, authorities confirmed Saturday.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/24/multiple-people-shot-near-empire-state-building-in-manhattan-police-say/#ixzz24aEeWEsD

Yes I know...its Fox news.




Mention their training. Regardless if standers-by are nearby they are trained to eliminate the threat. Their training needs a freaking overhaul. Emphasis on center mass and fire discipline.

Well, the vast majority cops never fire their guns "on duty", right? I think they're implying something while meaning something else.

 Jihadin wrote:
Mention their training. Regardless if standers-by are nearby they are trained to eliminate the threat. Their training needs a freaking overhaul. Emphasis on center mass and fire discipline.

I agree, let's jump to conclusions. For all we know, it could've been overpenetration if NYPD doesn't use JHPs.

Edit: Or, hell, even if they do. I've seen them fail to expand before.

 Seaward wrote:

I'm not so sure I buy that.

Regardless, it doesn't matter. Everyone on the internet can claim all day long they'd have dropped the guy with one shot while repaving the roads and balancing their checkbooks, all that matters is if the officers responded correctly.

They discharged 16 shots, hit the subject 10 times, missed six. If they never fired their weapons before in a situation, that's not too bad. Not great, but a start. I do think they fired far more rounds then they needed to. Shooting 7 and 9 rounds respectively suggests the officers panicked.

Do the police instructors try to break the trainee's concentration while instructing on the range? My own weapon instructor liked to discharge blanks at random over the trainee's heads while they were taking aim to try and throw them off.

Nine people have been hit for a "payday". Which to say I do believe they're going to retire in two years courtesy of NYC.

 Jihadin wrote:
Nine people have been hit for a "payday". Which to say I do believe they're going to retire in two years courtesy of NYC.

Most likely only the 3 that were hit by bullets. The rest of them would likely receive smaller amounts.

Welcome to the gift of "PTSD"

 Jihadin wrote:
Welcome to the gift of "PTSD"

Whether or not they actually have it.

 Jihadin wrote:
Nine people have been hit for a "payday". Which to say I do believe they're going to retire in two years courtesy of NYC.

You say that like as if you're walking down the street minding your own, and a police officer shoots you by accident because their department historically has a record of lousy aim and overshooting, they have absolutely no liability. You should just suck it up, pay out your medical and rehab costs out of your own insurance, and your own decreased quality of life (if applicable) and paint and suffering simply have no value.

I disagree with you. I think the department is responsible for where every one of those rounds went. If the department doesn't like settling multi-million dollar lawsuits, they should train their officers better, even if it costs time and money.

 Ouze wrote:

I disagree with you. I think the department is responsible for where every one of those rounds went. If the department doesn't like settling multi-million dollar lawsuits, they should train their officers better, even if it costs time and money.

Actually, he and I both said that earlier. We were just being viciously commenting that regardless of if they actually suffered any real injury, they were going to get paid.