Why the hate for a Futuristic looking Imperial Force?

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**Bobthehero**

Here http://necrontyronline.freeforums.org/new-wip-necron-units-from-forgeworld-shown-at-games-day-t1927.html

As for the subject at bay, I am 100% fine with futuristic IG, while my army is very WW1 looking, I give them lots of gear, I don't like gearless soldiers.

**buddha**

I'd love a futuristic looking guard force (I mean there has to be some planets that aren't stone age in technology).

I seem to remember someone using the SoB rules to create a futuristic guard force where things like faith points represented personal shields and the stats were correct for non-transhumans using power armor and such.

**Enigwolf**

buddha wrote:
I'd love a futuristic looking guard force (I mean there has to be some planets that aren't stone age in technology).

I seem to remember someone using the SoB rules to create a futuristic guard force where things like faith points represented personal shields and the stats were correct for non-transhumans using power armor and such.

You sound like you'd fit right in playing a Stormtrooper Company. If only they'd make a list for that. :(

**Kanluwen**

Enigwolf wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Bobthehero wrote:
I heard its Dark Eldar jumping in the mix, as well as SM.

You're hearing that wrong then.

Imperial Armour 12 is a focus on the Minotaurs Chapter fighting an emergent Tomb World. The Death Korps are going to play secondstring to the Minotaurs.

The Dark Eldar are purported to be part of the subsequent book, where they begin to raid the sector at large. IA12 is not to be a "single world in peril" but an entire sector.

Any idea if IA12 onwards (for a few books) is going to be something akin to what they did with the multi-part Siege of Vraks or Badab War?

That's the intended goal as of a few months ago. That is subject to change, as "Raid on Kastorel-Novem" was supposed to be the same thing.

**PresidentOfAsia**

Lynata wrote:
I'd say that there is still a certain "style" that goes along with the Guard, and that it is possible to loot "out of place" in a setting like 40k. As madtankbloke and Enigwolf wrote, even the best-trained and best-equipped troops in the Imperium - Space Marines, Battle Sisters, Skitarii, Storm Troopers - still have a look that, depending on the specific faction in question, is situated somewhere between gothic and retro.

GW's own take on the Elysians looks a bit different to Forgeworld's interpretation, too. Just look at the images here: http://web.archive.org/web/20040705053654/http://www.armageddon3.com/English/Campaign/Troops/elysian_drop.html

As for "elite spec ops" Guard where "few will change the course of the battle", I'd say that this is already beyond the scope of individual regiments, concerning Storm Troopers and Grenadier units. The only thing that could come remotely close to being an entire army of "spec ops" are Cadian Shock Troops, and even there I'm not sure whether I would agree with the term.

That Elysian artwork is old; Everything looked different in the old artwork, including Cadians.
Futuristic does not always mean spec ops and happybright. I mean lets look at Halo; its a clean futuristic setting but that doesn't mean everything is happy, UNSC marines die by the battalions, some of whom suffer the horrible fate of being turned into flood and planets are lost at systems at a time via covenant glassing. Also, you can look at Judge Dredd, which is gritty and yet still boasts the advanced high tech setting.

**Goat**

It's just economics. The guardsmen is worth infinitely less than his equipment. You just can't afford the tech of a future soldier for trillions of men. Procreating is cheaper than a bullet casing in the 41st millenium.

**PresidentOfAsia**

Goat wrote:
It's just economics. The guardsmen is worth infinitely less than his equipment. You just can't afford the tech of a future soldier for trillions of men. Procreating is cheaper than a bullet casing in the 41st millenium.

Not true, look at the Harakoni Warhawks, Catachans, Elysians, Phantine Air Corp and many other regiments; It all depends on the world. On the other hand, you get incompetent regiments/commanders such as Chenkov or really hard core ones like the DKOK, where they spend lives like bullets.

Also expendable = wasting. As lord castor says, he does not waste men, he uses them to their fullest. They may/will die, but that risk is always present

**Bobthehero**

Krieg officers do not like wasting men either.

**Arcsquad12**

But Krieg Officers are chosen from the survivors of the Grenadiers. You know, the guys who have to spearhead every assault and their survival rate is lower than a conscript?

**Bobthehero**

Yes, doesn't mean they'll charge an entrenched position just for the heck of it, however if they need a distraction that will prove to be extremely dangerous then they'll have more than enough volunteers.