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Someone mentions female rockstars, and no one brings up Angela Gossow from Arch-Enemy?



I am disappoint.

 RatBot wrote:
Someone mentions female rockstars, and no one brings up Angela Gossow from Arch-Enemy?



I am disappoint.

Because they don't exist lol

 RatBot wrote:
Someone mentions female rockstars, and no one brings up Angela Gossow from Arch-Enemy?



I am disappoint.

::preparing for google bomb::

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I learned Along time ago that things get better only if you let them. If you actively try to feel depressed you will not go anywhere. While things are hard, They do get better if you try.

Who actively tries to feel depressed?

I have done, in the past. It is not fun, the things clinical depression will make you do. Active sabotage of one's own life, friendships, family relationships... I couldn't explain it to you as I sit here right now, but at other times, I remember that those decisions, conscious decisions, seemed like the only sensible option. It takes an act of conscious willpower to realise you are suffering from depression and logically understand that you will regret certain choices, and then even more willpower to listen to your logic instead of the emotions that just want to make you destroy everything.

I too am somewhat irked (offended is too strong a word) at being lumped in with the workshy youth of today. Suffering from depression =/= being depressed.

And to all those who say "you just have to decide to be happy," you are half right. You alone have to make that decision to be happy again, but it is not as simple as "just" and even once you make the decision, it takes time to come all the way back. And you have to hope that you held yourself back well enough during the depression that you did not permanently damage any of the good things in your life, because once in a while, you do go too far, and you lose something/someone forever.

I've had depression, felt depressed and simply been self destructive at various times, and I can say that looking for a job is really effing miserable when there's not much hope and time is passing. Things aren't how they used to be i terms of getting a career, and one would have to be an idiot not to recognize that this is an employer's market. Even the easy answers aren't easy when your brain is foggy though. I just wish they had taught me more useful things in school and less crap that I'll never EVER use.

When was the last time you used the Pythagorean theorem? Anybody?

Mattman154 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I have met people who do try to avoid being happy.

Goth crew... by and large, depressed crowd.

But there's this one hot goth chick... happy is you can be... and wickedly devious. My pants is always too small when I was around her

Had me a couple of them. Way too many daddy issues.

If it's just a hook up I could've normally cared less about issues, but many of them just sucked at what they did. Emo girls without the flash and makeup had proven equally disappointing.

 Frazzled wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Yeah! Just go on down to the job store and pick one up! I mean really, how hard is it? Every job is fulfilling and happy making and RIGHT THERE!

Spoiler:

thats sarcasm, in case it is not clear.

If you have time to type crap on the internet you have time to go compete with hard working illegal immigrants at MacDonalds. You won't get hired, but at least you'll see what hard working Americans look like.

The whole immigrant thing is way overplayed. Nobody ever seems to blame the greedy white folks paying them either.

 Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:
I've had depression, felt depressed and simply been self destructive at various times, and I can say that looking for a job is really effing miserable when there's not much hope and time is passing. Things aren't how they used to be i terms of getting a career, and one would have to be an idiot not to recognize that this is an employer's market. Even the easy answers aren't easy when your brain is foggy though. I just wish they had taught me more useful things in school and less crap that I'll never EVER use.

When was the last time you used the Pythagorean theorem? Anybody?

Took the words out of my mouth.

When I go looking at entry level positions its ridiculous. Half of them are asking for experience no college student has, others even ask for masters degrees for positions that pay little and take no where near that level of education. heck a lot of them should be labeled entry level at all. Since when is four years experience in the field entry level? Colleges imo do not prepare students for the modern jobs market, even though they pretend they do. They're still working like it's the 1980's or the 90's. I should have done more internships and would have had I seen some of these requirements before hand (I suppose that's on me too, but a little bit of a notice from someone would have been nice).

That's why Mistress is stuck being a lab technican with an engineering degree. There just aren't any internships out there right now, and every entry level job asks for 2 years experience.

When was the last time you used the Pythagorean theorem? Anybody?

I use it all the time at my job, I'm an exploration geologist and I drill holes into the earth. Given an azimuth and a dip, I need to be able to figure a likley amount of deviation of the drill will do as it does its job. Trig is actually a very useful math because I need to estimate what kind of rock I'll be drilling into at say, 2000ft beneath the surface. I have used trig a fair bit in conjunction with algebra in my career, its good stuff and something that should be emphasized in school.

I was a shiot student in HS and had to take college classes to learn this stuff, and while it wasn't easy, it has been rewarding, and I couldn't have the jobs I've been able to get without Trigonometry knowledge.

Beyond Trig, the usefulness sharply decreases unless you are into scientific or space engineering. Calculus is not very useful, and IMO amounts to torture. I effing hate calculus. The engineers I've worked with professionaly all mock calculus because they never use it. I work at a mine, so go figure.

EDIT: Internships are what separate students who get jobs straight out of college vs. those who don't. It's tough, it's brutal, it's reality. I wasn't able to do an internship during my education, and it was really hard to get a professional job after I graduated. I cleaned up poop and puke at a hospital for a while until I was able to get a real job in my chosen field. The interns I trained after I got a job in my field were so much more advanced than their peers, it wasn't even funny, and their peers weren't even competition after the interns I trained graduated and entered the job market.

TL;DR: Get an internship no matter how much you have to suffer. Sacrifice whatever you have to to get an internship before you graduate. I wish I could have.

Yeah, I use 3-4-5 all the time. It's the easiest way to may sure your layout is square.

 Cave_Dweller wrote:

TL;DR: Get an internship no matter how much you have to suffer. Sacrifice whatever you have to to get an internship before you graduate. I wish I could have.

Just a question from the experienced, how much internship time is good? I have three summers in full-time internships under my belt, and I'm not sure if that's enough. I know it's a bit of a headstart, but I've been struggling with the choice of doing another internship, or working on expanding my (fairly empty) portfolio. I'm almost finished my education, and I'm starting to get kind of scared, once I begin to consider just how little I feel I've learned, and how unprepared I feel I am.

 Monster Rain wrote:
Millennials hate it when they start to realize the rest of the world doesn't find them as enchanting and wonderful as their mothers did.

Well this is partly to blame (I hate the "special snowflake" coddling as much as anyone else), but I also think that the fact that previous generations kind of screwed us over (largely unintentionally, of course) has something to do with it. I know that I'll probably never get a pension, or own any property, for example. Granted, I know a lot of the baby boomers and gen-Xer's worked hard to get what they got and get where they got, but I also know that no matter how hard I work (and what I want to do and what I want to be demand that I work hard for it, and I'm happy with this) I probably will never be able to get as far for it.

 LordofHats wrote:

When I go looking at entry level positions its ridiculous. Half of them are asking for experience no college student has, others even ask for masters degrees for positions that pay little and take no where near that level of education. heck a lot of them should be labeled entry level at all. Since when is four years experience in the field entry level?

Since it became an employer's market. Though, honestly, I think the decision to increase the standards for entry-level positions is stupid. It provides little benefit, and essentially guarantees a high turnover rate.

 LordofHats wrote:

Colleges imo do not prepare students for the modern jobs market, even though they pretend they do. They're still working like it's the 1980's or the 90's.

In the defense of colleges, the present employment market for recent graduates is a relatively new phenomenon. I started looking at entry-level requirements during my sophomore year of undergrad ('05/'06), and generally prior experience fell into the "preferred" category. Then, suddenly, during my last semester (Spring 2008), it jumped to "3-5 years experience required". That's a very difficult thing to anticipate and prepare for, particularly given that employers often raise requirements based on market conditions as opposed to actual need; or even sense.

 LordofHats wrote:

I should have done more internships and would have had I seen some of these requirements before hand (I suppose that's on me too, but a little bit of a notice from someone would have been nice).

Possibly, but I feel really sorry for the people that had no physical access to them. They got screwed hardest of all.


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 Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:
There just aren't any internships out there right now, and every entry level job asks for 2 years experience.

And most of them require you to be an undergraduate student.

 Fafnir wrote:
Just a question from the experienced, how much internship time is good? I have three summers in full-time internships under my belt, and I'm not sure if that's enough. I know it's a bit of a headstart, but I've been struggling with the choice of doing another internship, or working on expanding my (fairly empty) portfolio. I'm almost finished my education, and I'm starting to get kind of scared, once I begin to consider just how little I feel I've learned, and how unprepared I feel I am.

I felt the same thing and I was far less prepared than you seem to be (I think all graduates feel this anxiety). I only had one summer of internship myself (granted I essentially jammed in two internships worth of time into it). I'd say if you can do another do it. Internships are jobs, just not always paying (or well paying). How hard it is to get a full time job is going to vary by field. Someone in IT or Comp Sci will have a much easier time than someone in Mathematics (without a corresponding teaching certificate).

Current studies say that it takes most graduates 6 months to 2 years to find permanent employment. As much as I hate having to wait, that I still don't have a full time job 8 months out isn't abnormal. Get a job if you can. Any job. Your chances of getting hired go up when your working. if you don't work, potential employers are going to wonder why.

Well this is partly to blame (I hate the "special snowflake" coddling as much as anyone else), but I also think that the fact that previous generations kind of screwed us over (largely unintentionally, of course) has something to do with it. I know that I'll probably never get a pension, or own any property, for example. Granted, I know a lot of the baby boomers and gen-Xer's worked hard to get what they got and get where they got, but I also know that no matter how hard I work (and what I want to do and what I want to be demand that I work hard for it, and I'm happy with this) I probably will never be able to get as far for it.

On the bright side, now you can't be disappointed

 LordofHats wrote:
Current studies say that it takes most graduates 6 months to 2 years to find permanent employment. As much as I hate having to wait, that I still don't have a full time job 8 months out isn't abnormal. Get a job if you can. Any job. Your chances of getting hired go up when your working. if you don't work, potential employers are going to wonder why.

This bit has always had me worried. Thankfully, my internships paid me quite well, so I have enough money saved up to last me a year after I graduate, if I can't manage to find employment immediately.

 dogma wrote:
In the defense of colleges, the present employment market for recent graduates is a relatively new phenomenon. I started looking at entry-level requirements during my sophomore year of undergrad ('05/'06), and generally prior experience fell into the "preferred" category. Then, suddenly, during my last semester (Spring 2008), it jumped to "3-5 years experience required". That's a very difficult thing to anticipate and prepare for, particularly given that employers often raise requirements based on market conditions as opposed to actual need; or even sense.

I suppose I don't necessarily blame them. It's just frustration. I work hard. Too damn hard for my current job, and it annoys me that I know people far lazier than me who already have full time work while I'm barely making $40 a night.

Possibly, but I feel really sorry for the people that had no physical access to them. They got screwed hardest of all.

Coming out of a history program I can tell you that it is hard to find a history internship. Especially a good one. I got mine by pure luck when the guy in charge of picking interns turned out to be a friend of my grandfather and went out of his way to provide an extra slot for that summer for me. I applied for maybe, a dozen internships, and I only got recognition from two sites.

EDIT: And I went to school in the middle of Pennsylvania!

 Fafnir wrote:

Just a question from the experienced, how much internship time is good? I have three summers in full-time internships under my belt, and I'm not sure if that's enough. I know it's a bit of a headstart, but I've been struggling with the choice of doing another internship, or working on expanding my (fairly empty) portfolio. I'm almost finished my education, and I'm starting to get kind of scared, once I begin to consider just how little I feel I've learned, and how unprepared I feel I am.

I assume your intended career path is artistic, but what kind of art? Could you use anything produced in an internship in order to fill out your portfolio? Could you fill out your portfolio and intern?

If your an artist there actually is a growing field that is under looked in schools and does have a steady demand as I find it at the moment: Graphic designers. Maybe not the most exciting job. I know some artistic people who when I proposed it to them hated the idea, but it is work and it is something where an art background and education is valued. Tends to pay well from what I can see as well.

 LordofHats wrote:

I suppose I don't necessarily blame them. It's just frustration. I work hard. Too damn hard for my current job, and it annoys me that I know people far lazier than me who already have full time work while I'm barely making $40 a night.

I understand that. As I said in another thread, my first job out of college was as a personal trainer. Hardly what I expected when I took the plunge into student debt.

 LordofHats wrote:

Coming out of a history program I can tell you that it is hard to find a history internship. Especially a good one. I got mine by pure luck when the guy in charge of picking interns turned out to be a friend of my grandfather and went out of his way to provide an extra slot for that summer for me. I applied for maybe, a dozen internships, and I only got recognition from two sites.

EDIT: And I went to school in the middle of Pennsylvania!

Did you limit yourself to internships specifically related to history?

Well, my degree is in New Media, which is pretty damn versatile (shame you don't actually learn anything in it :p), but I do graphic design and web design, although I'm working on building up my abilities primarily for concept artwork/illustration (this is the hard part, really, and the part that requires the most work).

With my most recent internship, I ended up doing some artwork for two companies (it's kind of weird, but I was on the payroll of one company, but actually worked for another), but most of the substantial stuff was a matter of circumstance.
On a good note, the company I worked for, and designed some websites and artwork for, is contracting me to do some more design work (if we can ever get that damn contract finalized), but the downside to that is that I don't really see them needing my services in a meaningful way for another few years (certainly not enough to justify 4 months of portfolio work).

One thing I plan on doing is, regardless of my employment situation, keeping myself busy with personal projects, and keeping the progress viewable on a production blog, to show that I'm constantly working on something, even if I'm not getting paid for it. It'll also allow me to focus on getting the practice I need where I desperately need it most.

 LordofHats wrote:
Graphic designers. Maybe not the most exciting job.

You're talking to a guy who gets off to different kinds of Helvetica.

Yeah. Probably a mistake Part of it was that my degree required a history internship so when I went hunting for one that's what I focused on but I was looking for two summers, and after the first failed I could have looked for others.


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 Fafnir wrote:
Well, my degree is in New Media, which is pretty damn versatile (shame you don't actually learn anything in it :p), but I do graphic design and web design, although I'm working on building up my abilities primarily for concept artwork/illustration (this is the hard part, really, and the part that requires the most work).

With my most recent internship, I ended up doing some artwork for two companies (it's kind of weird, but I was on the payroll of one company, but actually worked for another), but most of the substantial stuff was a matter of circumstance.
On a good note, the company I worked for, and designed some websites and artwork for, is contracting me to do some more design work (if we can ever get that damn contract finalized), but the downside to that is that I don't really see them needing my services in a meaningful way for another few years (certainly not enough to justify 4 months of portfolio work).

One thing I plan on doing is, regardless of my employment situation, keeping myself busy with personal projects, and keeping the progress viewable on a production blog, to show that I'm constantly working on something, even if I'm not getting paid for it. It'll also allow me to focus on getting the practice I need where I desperately need it most.

That sounds impressive to me I check job sites four times a week and fill out applications and I can tell you I find a lot of work listed for graphic designs and web designers (as well as social media coordinators which sometimes list graphic design as a preferred skill).

Just a question from the experienced, how much internship time is good? I have three summers in full-time internships under my belt, and I'm not sure if that's enough. I know it's a bit of a headstart, but I've been struggling with the choice of doing another internship, or working on expanding my (fairly empty) portfolio. I'm almost finished my education, and I'm starting to get kind of scared, once I begin to consider just how little I feel I've learned, and how unprepared I feel I am.

That's actually quite impressive, with that experience under your belt I'd focus on the portofolio. Although, as a science major things were different for me. There are established industries hungry for science grads. In your case you probably need a webpage showcasing your talents, showing someone what you can do, and what solutions and services you can provide.

Art is different, and although I love and live for art as a hobby, I don't know if I can offer any meaningful advice in that field. I'd say it's the road less traveled, although to be honest, settling for a lackluster career is the road most often traveled. Hell, science careers are also the road less traveled.

No matter what you choose, having passion for it is critical. I couldn't have gotten a job doing geology if I didn't love rocks and minerals. I love them, and most people don't understand that and think I'm weird for it. I've been mocked for it. But I'll never regret my passion for it. Because and the end of the day I'm skilled in something unique, while most people settle for mediocrity and don't challenge themselves.

Don't ever forget your passion for what you do, it's the fuel for everything you desire and dream of. I know it sounds cheesy, but damn if it isn't true. And it can propel you to reach your goals.

Establish goals, use your passion as fuel to reach them. This is what anyone who has ever achieved anything has done. You guys can do it!

Myself and close friends all graduated right before or right as the recession hit. Successful tips for getting a job, based on mine and their experiences:

Network your ass off. Hit every job fair, every career event, every popular after-hours bar, every trade show you can. Get some cards made up, hand them out whenever the opportunity presents. Hone your Elevator Pitch. Volunteer somewhere.

The post-9/11 GI Bill buys you a bachelor's or a Master's. The four years of work experience you get earning it make you attractive to every employer under the sun save possibly the Peace Corps. Unless you're doing something weird.

Learn Java.

Hey Seaward, I couldn't help but notice "Play video games for 8 hours a day" wasn't on that list.

 Monster Rain wrote:
Hey Seaward, I couldn't help but notice "Play video games for 8 hours a day" wasn't on that list.

Don't tell the other nerds that. It'll bring my chances down

 Monster Rain wrote:
Hey Seaward, I couldn't help but notice "Play video games for 8 hours a day" wasn't on that list.

No, that's what you do after you get a job.

 Seaward wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
Hey Seaward, I couldn't help but notice "Play video games for 8 hours a day" wasn't on that list.

No, that's what you do after you get a job.

OK, I'm relieved to hear that.

I start a new job on Monday, should I start playing now?

 Alfndrate wrote:

Mattman154 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I have met people who do try to avoid being happy.

Goth crew... by and large, depressed crowd.

But there's this one hot goth chick... happy is you can be... and wickedly devious. My pants is always too small when I was around her

Had me a couple of them. Way too many daddy issues.

Occasionally you'd hit the jackpot and get the ones with just enough daddy issues.

Bwahaha. I have to agree.

 matphat wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

Mattman154 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I have met people who do try to avoid being happy.

Goth crew... by and large, depressed crowd.

But there's this one hot goth chick... happy is you can be... and wickedly devious. My pants is always too small when I was around her

Had me a couple of them. Way too many daddy issues.

Occasionally you'd hit the jackpot and get the ones with just enough daddy issues.

Bwahaha. I have to agree.

Glad to see I come back to this thread to find a post I made a week ago being quoted

As someone that is not clinically depressed, I have a history of burning bridges with women who have broken up with me. Usually after a week of feeling down, I usually spout off about something offensive and don't stop until they no longer consider me a friend. I've found it works quite well in my process, but the week after the breakup I find reasons and excuses to be angry and or depressed. This is something that I've tried to change, and I've found that it sucks for longer, but it's easier on my blood pressure...

every job I've ever had was garbage, and the job I have now is garbage
there are very few things I enjoy in life, call me joyless and miserable because I am
life has shown its uglyness as did everything I once enjoyed
(for example I find the prospect of trying 6th ed daunting and exhausting as I would have to invest so much into it, money I worked very hard for, and it won`t bring me any joy
I donno what you would call a person who generally dislikes everyone he meets but I have been sliding down that path for a long time

 Monster Rain wrote:
I start a new job on Monday, should I start playing now?

After being employed for three months, you may begin to relax.