Do people higher up GW hate us hobbyists?

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**Asherian Command**

Fafnir wrote:
Clarence wrote:
Just got word from a friend of mine who is a current store manager in Toronto, Mark Bolger hasn't worked for GW in over a year.

Are you sure, because it says not only on his Facebook profile, but also his Linkedin profile, and several other online resume websites that he is currently working for GW. Not to mention several directories still list him as working for GW.

My facebook calls me the grand puma of editors.

See how reliable that is?

**Byte**

Way to draw in the new business..

**Peregrine**

almostreal wrote:
So GW needs to have a full time employee working all hours monitoring and censoring their facebook page or it's incompetence?

Welcome to 2013. Your social media presence is important, and failing to protect it is incompetence.

let's be honest...when they delete it, or if they just deleted negative comments in general you'd be upset about their "censorship".

There's a difference between censoring legitimate criticism of the company and deleting a content-free comment that consists of "all of you suck, stop buying GW products". One demonstrates a lack of concern for the opinions of their customers, the other is just removing trolling.

**Clarence**

Avatar 720 wrote:
Regardless of whether or not you have the contacts you say you have, until you can prove it you shouldn't be surprised to find that people aren't quick to believe you.

Oh I don't care if people believe me. And honestly this is a really easy thing to verify with GW themselves by calling their customer service number.

**Melissia**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Even if he no longer works for GW, it shows an attitude that one would not want the manager of growth to possess, no?

For any hobby short of "those weird pretentious restaurants which make money off of intentionally mocking their customers".

Never did understand those, but eh.

**Fafnir**

almostreal wrote:

man, that's ridiculous. So GW needs to have a full time employee working all hours monitoring and censoring their facebook page or it's incompetence?

Yes, actually. Welcome to the modern age of PR. Any company with a public social networking page should be watching it like a Hawk.

Asherian Command wrote:
Fafnir wrote:
Clarence wrote:
Just got word from a friend of mine who is a current store manager in Toronto, Mark Bolger hasn't worked for GW in over a year.

Are you sure, because it says not only on his Facebook profile, but also his Linkedin profile, and several other online resume websites that he is currently working for GW. Not to mention several directories still list him as working for GW.

My facebook calls me the grand puma of editors.

See how reliable that is?

Keep in mind that I'm referencing many more websites than just Facebook. Including professional resources like Linkedin. If this man is not working for GW, then they should definitely make sure that he's not listed as working for them on the largest and most important professional networking website on the internet.

**Neconilis**

almostreal wrote:
So GW needs to have a full time employee working all hours monitoring and censoring their facebook page or it's incompetence?

Yes? Many other corporations do, is that truly such an unreasonable expectation?

**almostreal**

This is an honest question, because maybe I don't understand fellas. There are things about GW I don't like, Codex/BRB prices, their glue, how everything is "limited edition" now and I have to order it like right away or I don't get it and it can't be purchased in stores...ect....but I like alot more things then I don't like.

Why do people who explicitly say "The sooner GW goes out of business the better" care enough to even post? if I don't like something I don't participate...like I don't buy GW glue anymore, but I don't make threads about it.

I'd like an honest and non-confrontational explaination about this "GW HATES US and WE HATE THEM" culture and where it comes from? was it always like this? beyond price hikes and GW changing their store structures what exactly have they do to us?

Please..honesty curious.

**Peregrine**

almostreal wrote:
Why do people who explicitly say "The sooner GW goes out of business the better" care enough to even post?

Because GW going out of business is a good thing for their games. The IP and existing games/communities are too valuable to be left to die, so when GW finally goes out of business someone else will buy everything and hopefully do a better job of running things.

**almostreal**

Peregrine wrote:
almostreal wrote:
Why do people who explicitly say "The sooner GW goes out of business the better" care enough to even post?

Because GW going out of business is a good thing for their games. The IP and existing games/communities are too valuable to be left to die, so when GW finally goes out of business someone else will buy everything and hopefully do a better job of running things.

thats a weird perspective. I don't even know how to respond to that, good luck in bringing them down I guess

**-Loki-**

almostreal wrote:
Why do people who explicitly say "The sooner GW goes out of business the better" care enough to even post? if I don't like something I don't participate...like I don't buy GW glue anymore, but I don't make threads about it.

because disliking Games Workshop doesn't necesarily mean you dislike Warhammer 40k or Fantasy. It's quite possible to enjoy the games, fluff, models, or anything else about the games themselves and dislike the business decisions GW is making. It's also quite possible to circumvent some of those decisions (for example, price) and still play the game you enjoy, while not actually directly giving GW your money.

**almostreal**

-Loki- wrote:
almostreal wrote:
Why do people who explicitly say "The sooner GW goes out of business the better" care enough to even post? if I don't like something I don't participate...like I don't buy GW glue anymore, but I don't make threads about it.

because disliking Games Workshop doesn't necesarily mean you dislike Warhammer 40k or Fantasy. It's quite possible to enjoy the games, fluff, models, or anything else about the games themselves and dislike the business decisions GW is making.

it's kind of like saying you don't like Lebron James, but you like the points he scores...right? you can dislike the guy but enjoy what he brings to the table. Ok, that kind of makes sense.

At the end of the day though...Liking Lebron means you have to take the bad with the good. If you enjoy the points, you have to accept the man. Like dude said above, you can't say "I hope Lebron falls in a hole, so that someone else can score his points and play his game that I like better". Well, nobody can play like lebron...GW isn't perfect but they are responsible for creating and expanding the hobby. You can't have your frosting if you don't order the cake fellas.

**-Loki-**

almostreal wrote:
-Loki- wrote:
almostreal wrote:
Why do people who explicitly say "The sooner GW goes out of business the better" care enough to even post? if I don't like something I don't participate...like I don't buy GW glue anymore, but I don't make threads about it.

because disliking Games Workshop doesn't necesarily mean you dislike Warhammer 40k or Fantasy. It's quite possible to enjoy the games, fluff, models, or anything else about the games themselves and dislike the business decisions GW is making.

it's kind of like saying you don't like Lebron James, but you like the points he scores...right? you can dislike the guy but enjoy what he brings to the table. Ok, that kind of makes sense.

At the end of the day though...Liking Lebron means you have to take the bad with the good. If you enjoy the points, you have to accept the man. Like dude said above, you can't say "I hope Lebron falls in a hole, so that someone else can score his points and play his game that I like better". Well, nobody can play like lebron...GW isn't perfect but they are responsible for creating and expanding the hobby. You can't have your frosting if you don't order the cake fellas.

Bad analogy, because if he dies, then he's no longer playing.

Games Workshop have IP that can, and very likely will, live on if the company dies. They might get bought by a company which treats their customers better, which is what people hope for.

Of course, they could also get bought by a company that treats it worse than GW themselves. I personally just wish GW would do a managment changover and keep their current studio.

**Revengeancer**

Funny story about Mark Bolger...
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.thebird.copwatch/lWRfPw3P82U

**Fafnir**

That might not even be the same Mark Bolger.

**Koppo**

The Mark Bolger FB page states he lives in Texas, but works in Memphis. About 470 miles away. That's quite a commute (he may remote work but ????)

But some google fu (add sodium to taste)

http://www.indeed.com/r/Mark-Bolger/bc21f8d25cee8df1 (links the cop story to "our" Mark, although nothing to definitely link this Mark to GW that has not been posted by the man himself (like a GW email address))

**Aerethan**

Revengeancer wrote:
Funny story about Mark Bolger...
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.thebird.copwatch/lWRfPw3P82U

This made my day.

**Revengeancer**

Fafnir wrote:
That might not even be the same Mark Bolger.

No, it's him. He was a cop in Richmond, VA - then went on to manage the GW store in Richmond. The police officer and him are one and the same, and an equally awful person.

**Ivan Issaccs**

Revengeancer wrote:
Funny story about Mark Bolger...
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.thebird.copwatch/lWRfPw3P82U

And knowing that apparently the Police aren't above helping other Police out of sexual assault charges makes me feel that maybe GW aren't some of the worst people in the world.

**Melissia**

Yeah, the Blue Shield of Silence is notorious.

**Harriticus**

Revengeancer wrote:
Funny story about Mark Bolger...
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.thebird.copwatch/lWRfPw3P82U

Haha oh wow this post wins the thread

**Aerethan**

How does one go from "Forceful sodomy" down to misdemeanor assault?

Somebody shop the scumbag steve hat onto a pic of Mark!!!

**timetowaste85**

Peregrine wrote:
almostreal wrote:
Why do people who explicitly say "The sooner GW goes out of business the better" care enough to even post?

Because GW going out of business is a good thing for their games. The IP and existing games/communities are too valuable to be left to die, so when GW finally goes out of business someone else will buy everything and hopefully do a better job of running things.[/quote

You're, of course, assuming that if GW does go under, they don't ask an outrageous sum when people try to buy out and save their product. Let's face it, it would be typical MO for GW.

I also recently came into news earlier today that GW is intending to cut product to FLGS's: basic lines only, no more individual models or anything outside of the basic lines. These will also only be granted to partnership stores, game stores that sell GW product but aren't partnership stores will no longer be able to get product from GW. I won't list my source, sorry guys, so don't ask. I trust the guy quite a bit, but it still sounded outrageous to me, so take with a pinch.

**btr75**

They treat FLGS like

. That, and the ridiculous cost of their products now, is annoying.

That being said...I still collect and play.

**jonolikespie**

timetowaste85 wrote:

You're, of course, assuming that if GW does go under, they don't ask an outrageous sum when people try to buy out and save their product. Let's face it, it would be typical MO for GW.

I also recently came into news earlier today that GW is intending to cut product to FLGS's: basic lines only, no more individual models or anything outside of the basic lines. These will also only be granted to partnership stores, game stores that sell GW product but aren't partnership stores will no longer be able to get product from GW. I won't list my source, sorry guys, so don't ask. I trust the guy quite a bit, but it still sounded outrageous to me, so take with a pinch.

Can a public company going under do that? Would they not be forced to get what they can for it and share that among the investors before dieing?

Also the FLGS thing sounds like typical GW, they want to control supply and get everything to you directly because 'online retailers are freeloaders' and all that jazz (also it's my understanding they sell to 3rd parties for 75% oc the RRP, they rather sell to you for 100%).

**Aerethan**

The remaining investors would demand the sale of the IP to recoup losses by the company folding. I've not heard of a public company going under and not selling it's IP to someone. Like when a judge forces a couple that is divorcing to sell any property that they refuse to give up and both demand ownership.

If GW PLC holds the IP and that entity ceases to exist, it's holdings must be transferred somewhere.

**Ivan Issaccs**

jonolikespie wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:

You're, of course, assuming that if GW does go under, they don't ask an outrageous sum when people try to buy out and save their product. Let's face it, it would be typical MO for GW.

I also recently came into news earlier today that GW is intending to cut product to FLGS's: basic lines only, no more individual models or anything outside of the basic lines. These will also only be granted to partnership stores, game stores that sell GW product but aren't partnership stores will no longer be able to get product from GW. I won't list my source, sorry guys, so don't ask. I trust the guy quite a bit, but it still sounded outrageous to me, so take with a pinch.

Can a public company going under do that? Would they not be forced to get what they can for it and share that among the investors before dieing?

Also the FLGS thing sounds like typical GW, they want to control supply and get everything to you directly because 'online retailers are freeloaders' and all that jazz (also it's my understanding they sell to 3rd parties for 75% oc the RRP, they rather sell to you for 100%).

Too be honest that's standard operating procedure for most producers to operate on at least a 50% mark up if they can get away with it. My last job we took orders to design clothes for high street brands, and generally if we paid the Indian producers £1.50 (And lets not forget they made a profit too) for a garment we'd get paid £4-5 for it and it'd go onto the high street at around £10-15. I would not be surprised if the manufacturing cost of a tactical squad of marines is about £2.

**Brother Captain Alexander**

Peregrine wrote:

Because GW going out of business is a good thing for their games. The IP and existing games/communities are too valuable to be left to die, so when GW finally goes out of business someone else will buy everything and hopefully do a better job of running things.

You mean like how Disney bought Lucas Arts and Star Wars?
We will see how good thing turn that out to be...

I am surprised that GW has not been bought by now, seeing how entire company and it's investments are worth only around 300 million Euros.

**Aerethan**

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
Peregrine wrote:

Because GW going out of business is a good thing for their games. The IP and existing games/communities are too valuable to be left to die, so when GW finally goes out of business someone else will buy everything and hopefully do a better job of running things.

You mean like how Disney bought Lucas Arts and Star Wars?
We will see how good thing turn that out to be...

I am surprised that GW has not been bought by now, seeing how entire company and it's investments are worth only around 300 million Euros.

Because they are barely profitable for how much it would cost to acquire them. There are far more lucrative investments out there. It is far cheaper to wait for a company to fail, buy it and then fix it, rather then buy it running and trying to fix it.

**almostreal**

-Loki- wrote:
almostreal wrote:
-Loki- wrote:
almostreal wrote:
Why do people who explicitly say "The sooner GW goes out of business the better" care enough to even post? if I don't like something I don't participate...like I don't buy GW glue anymore, but I don't make threads about it.

because disliking Games Workshop doesn't necesarily mean you dislike Warhammer 40k or Fantasy. It's quite possible to enjoy the games, fluff, models, or anything else about the games themselves and dislike the business decisions GW is making.

it's kind of like saying you don't like Lebron James, but you like the points he scores...right? you can dislike the guy but enjoy what he brings to the table. Ok, that kind of makes sense.

At the end of the day though...Liking Lebron means you have to take the bad with the good. If you enjoy the points, you have to accept the man. Like dude said above, you can't say "I hope Lebron falls in a hole, so that someone else can score his points and play his game that I like better". Well, nobody can play like lebron...GW isn't perfect but they are responsible for creating and expanding the hobby. You can't have your frosting if you don't order the cake fellas.

Bad analogy, because if he dies, then he's no longer playing.

Games Workshop have IP that can, and very likely will, live on if the company dies. They might get bought by a company which treats their customers better, which is what people hope for.

Of course, they could also get bought by a company that treats it worse than GW themselves. I personally just wish GW would do a managment changover and keep their current studio.

I guess I just don't get it, I consider GW a company that makes table top games and mini's. You want the games and mini's but want it to be a different company, without one I don't think you can have the other.

I honestly do think that you should consider that this same company that hates you and your hobby has also created the hobby and all of the background and is making alot of money, which allows them to continue to make more models.

No, I don't agree with all of the choices they make...but man, you guys are sure full of venom, it does seem that you'll slam GW regardless of the facts just based on the fact they "wronged" you somehow. Just something to think about, thx for the explanation