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Armoury section.

You would lose the twin-linked profile of the Hurricane Bolters as their stat line would no longer be the 3x twin-linked Bolter stat line, it would be 3x 2/4 salvo. So you'd get 12 shots per sponson but they would certainly not be twin linked.

Can you clarify as to why not?

Enceladus wrote:
You would lose the twin-linked profile of the Hurricane Bolters as their stat line would no longer be the 3x twin-linked Bolter stat line, it would be 3x 2/4 salvo. So you'd get 12 shots per sponson but they would certainly not be twin linked.

That claim is irrational. First, Rapid Fire & Twin-linked are not mutually exclusive; Rapid Fire & Salvo 2/4 are. Second, Hurricane bolters do not have a stat line. They say to fire them as 3 twin-linked bolters. If you wish to fire a hurricane bolter in range of the banner, you look to see what a bolter's profile currently is and then fire it 3 times as twin-linked. It's very cut and dry.

Enceladus wrote:
You would lose the twin-linked profile of the Hurricane Bolters as their stat line would no longer be the 3x twin-linked Bolter stat line, it would be 3x 2/4 salvo. So you'd get 12 shots per sponson but they would certainly not be twin linked.

Got to ask, how are you reaching this conclusion?

1. A hurricane bolter is 3 twin-linked bolters.
2. A bolter is a Rapid Fire weapon with no other special rules.
3. The hurricane bolter is therefore 3 twin-linked *rapid fire* weapons fired as one.
4. The banner makes all bolters Salvo 2/4.
5. The hurricane bolter is 3 twin-linked *salvo 2/4* bolters.

Similarly with bikes. A space marine bike has a twin-linked bolter, ie a twin-linked rapid fire weapon. The bolter becomes salvo. It still has a twin-linked bolter, the bolter is now just salvo.

Enceladus wrote:
You would lose the twin-linked profile of the Hurricane Bolters as their stat line would no longer be the 3x twin-linked Bolter stat line, it would be 3x 2/4 salvo. So you'd get 12 shots per sponson but they would certainly not be twin linked.

Rapid fire, Twin linked

Rapid fire is the weapon type, not twin linked, so when you change the weapon type to Salvo (2/4) you do not lose twin linked

I have to apologise, I was actually attempting to refer to rapid fire and not twin-linked, i'm not sure why I typed twin-linked... I actually use my LRC with the banner and use it as 24 twin-linked shots. I blame the fact that i'm at work, stressed out trying to escape the all seeing eye of boss who will castrate me if he catches me chatting on forums instead of doing my overworked and underpaid job!

Enceladus wrote:
I have to apologise, I was actually attempting to refer to rapid fire and not twin-linked, i'm not sure why I typed twin-linked... I actually use my LRC with the banner and use it as 24 twin-linked shots. I blame the fact that i'm at work, stressed out trying to escape the all seeing eye of boss who will castrate me if he catches me chatting on forums instead of doing my overworked and underpaid job!

Sorry if we all jumped on you!

I think we've all been there.

How's that working out for you anyway?

Ha, no worries, it's to be expected to be jumped on when you're clearly wrong in YMDC!

Well I don't use 1 LRC, I actually use 2... A couple of AV14 Tanks with 48 twin-linked Bolter shots is a pretty nasty prospect when it's rolling at you. I incorporate a banner and a 4++ force field to encompass the whole Death Star where terrain will allow for it. I guess I could use 3 but lining up 3 LRC's is fairly improbable on a standard game board with terrain.

It's a pretty devastating tactic when combined with Deathwing Knights and Terminators. I generally have an ADL Quad Gun set up in my backfield with a heavy weapon squad or two to protect my objectives and offer cover fire. I'm currently considering a GK allies list and throwing in Coteaz and utilising some of his cheese.

Here's a thought, I don't have my codex handy but does the banner convey its bonus to allies, too? My thought at this point is a DE/GK allies list, where one LRC is DE and the other is GK, one full of Deathwing Knights and the other full of Paladins. If both LRC's get the banner bonus... oh man that's gonna hurt if/when it gets to you.

No, it specifies CA units only.

I've been thinking though, how good is Salvo bolter fire, really? Is 75-100 Bolter shots really that effective?

While obviously an infantry massacre, mostly of limited utility against armour 11+ and MC's, and you're diverting a large chunk of points (450+) towards what essentially remains
short-ranged firepower only effective against limited types of units.

If you annihilate all of their troops, then who cares about their vehicles? And even an MC can die to 100 bolter shots.