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2013/02/27 15:49:40
Subject: Re:WTF GW?
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 NAVARRO wrote:Taking down Black gobbo, now articles, dumbed down white dwarf... rumors of no GD's will not help them sell more paints... But hey it's their call.
I find vallejos, P3's quite nice and I avoid GW pots as much as I can since they dry fast... but then again some athlete with a sanity tracking record of nil will pop in and say I'm doing it wrong 
I forgot about P3.
Adding that in:
1-2 Reaper/Vallejo (depends on the individual colors)
3 GW (Mostly their Foundation colors - but they lose points on the bottles)
4 P3
5 Army Painter
And some big ol' bottles of Americana that I use for base coats on low detail or large models.
Now if I could find brown ink in quart sizes....
The Auld Grump, pints would do....
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
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2013/02/27 16:03:25
Subject: WTF GW?
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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I looked through the cpyright link at the bottom of their page and couldn't find any evidenc they do own the copyright. As for the ones that have things GW does own in the name, what we saw with the Spots the Space Marine thing was that GWs copyrights are limited to games and the like, it is entierly possible they don't own the words Tyranid or Sister of Battle outside of games and books.
I am afraid I can't find a link to anything about it but it is what I, and several other people were told by GW staff. The company that GW were using in China to manufacturer their paints registered them as their own IP (or trademark or whatever), and then decided to increase charges to GW, as GW were using the names and colours that they didn't own. As a result they swapped their entire line rather than continue to deal with them.
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 Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
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2013/02/27 16:10:44
Subject: WTF GW?
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The mention was in the 2012 Financial report...
We have also ensured that each of the paints has a trademark protected name to prevent anyone else from mimicking our colour palette.
The problem of course is that while they have trademarked the names, it does nothing to prevent a company from copying the palette - they just have to name it something different...as they have already done in the past with lines like VGC.
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2013/02/27 16:51:29
Subject: WTF GW?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 jonolikespie wrote:
I am afraid I can't find a link to anything about it but it is what I, and several other people were told by GW staff. The company that GW were using in China to manufacturer their paints registered them as their own IP (or trademark or whatever), and then decided to increase charges to GW, as GW were using the names and colours that they didn't own. As a result they swapped their entire line rather than continue to deal with them.
Store monkeys have a habit of being 'enthusiastic' with their story telling. I've had store staff tell me numerous times things which I have known outright to be false. Unless your source is in or close to head office, I'd take most things with plenty of salt. They are told very little indeed; bear that in mind.
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2013/02/27 18:05:04
Subject: WTF GW?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Rainbow Dash wrote:GW just wants to sell you models, the game and how you paint them are irrelevant to them
get them to buy as much as they can and then get them out
This more or less sums up GW. They seem to dislike veteran customers and most of all people concerned with things beyond collecting like gameplay/painting. It's a bizarre mindset to say the least, because there's no reason GW can't cater to both the young impulse buyers and long-term customers.
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1970/01/18 00:00:00
Subject: The Blue Knight strikes again!
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 BryllCream wrote:I didn't say it was miss-placed or undeserved. But it was whinging, and immature. You can't spam a company's facebook page because they've done something that you don't like.
Yes, yes you can.
10 years ago my country went to war with Iraq and killed thousands of innocent people, but I didn't sent vitriolic bs to my MP (who supported it). Now I know that the deaths of millions of people aren't as important as corporate dickery but still 
Just because you're apathetic doesn't mean everyone else is. Here is what other people in your country did...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War
Honestly I think you've lost sight of the arguments as you too easily devolve in to accusations of whinging, immaturity and blind hate instead of either just arguing the actual topic or leaving the topic.
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2013/02/27 20:17:54
Subject: The Blue Knight strikes again!
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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BryllCream wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote: BryllCream wrote:They got rid of their facebook page because the community wouldn't stop whinging and spamming it with complaints.
Complaints related to them strong-arming a self-published writer for using the words "space" and "marine" in the title of one of her children's books.
If you're going to make excuses for GW at every turn, at least tell the whole story and avoid being so disingenuous.
I didn't say it was miss-placed or undeserved. But it was whinging, and immature. You can't spam a company's facebook page because they've done something that you don't like.
10 years ago my country went to war with Iraq and killed thousands of innocent people, but I didn't sent vitriolic bs to my MP (who supported it). Now I know that the deaths of millions of people aren't as important as corporate dickery but still
What's the point you are trying to make here exactly? That you couldn't feel motivated by a war, so that means everything else is just water under the bridge? It must be wonderful to be such an unemotional and nihilistic person, who answers 'who gives a crap?' about everything, but you should at least recognise that others might have a different sense of perspective to yourself. Especially on a forum where people have come to write about such things. Of course in one sense you're absolutely right - toy soldiers, and the discussions surrounding them, pale in comparison to the greater evils happening on this planet. But, that still doesn't mean things like that should be ignored.
Quite rightly, the sci-fi/fantasy writing fraternity, and more, opposed GW about their attempts to take ownership of the term 'Space Marine', and protested about it because of the precedent it could potentially set . That loads of kids (and older kids) posted lots of immature references on the facebook page (some of which, you have to admit, were quite amusing! ) doesn't take anything away from the core of the issues involved. And the fact that, almost without exception, everyone fell on the opposite side of the fence to GW should tell you a lot about who was considered to be in the wrong.
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2013/02/27 21:47:21
Subject: WTF GW?
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Buttons Should Be Brass, Not Gold!
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The new paint colour names are a running joke at my FLGS. I mean seriously, is it so hard to have an actual colour in the name of the paint? Do they realize how nonsensical these names are to someone who is new to (or not participating in) the GW hobby?
BUGMAN'S GLOW. What the hell is a bug man. It's a green maybe? What colour is its glow? It's a yellow right? Maybe an orange?
Actual colour: BROWN
THE FANG. Ok. It's a brown right? Maybe a beige or bone right?
Actual colour: PURPLE
XV-88. ???!?!???? (Educated guess from GW enthusiasts might suggest a yellow-brown a-la bubonic brown or a beige.)
Actual colour: BROWN
KINDLEFLAME: Ok. Red, Yellow or Orange. I've got to have this one right.
Actual colour: PINK
SKAVENBLIGHT DINGE: ?!??!??!???!?!??!
Actual colour: DARK BROWN-GREY
DAWNSTONE is GREY but KARAK STONE is BEIGE
Honorable Mentions:
Screaming Bell - Bronze
Incubi Darkness - Purple
Firedragon Bright - Orange
Daemonette Hide - Purple
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2013/02/27 22:35:20
Subject: The Blue Knight strikes again!
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Ian Pickstock
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: BryllCream wrote:I didn't say it was miss-placed or undeserved. But it was whinging, and immature. You can't spam a company's facebook page because they've done something that you don't like.
Yes, yes you can.
10 years ago my country went to war with Iraq and killed thousands of innocent people, but I didn't sent vitriolic bs to my MP (who supported it). Now I know that the deaths of millions of people aren't as important as corporate dickery but still
Just because you're apathetic doesn't mean everyone else is. Here is what other people in your country did...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War
Honestly I think you've lost sight of the arguments as you too easily devolve in to accusations of whinging, immaturity and blind hate instead of either just arguing the actual topic or leaving the topic.
I don't know what about my post made people think that I did nothing. I did get a detention for spreading anti-war literature around school after all
Anyway if you don't understand my point then I've clearly failed as a communicator but I don't think that's cause for attacking my charector.
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2013/02/27 22:46:29
Subject: The Blue Knight strikes again!
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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BryllCream wrote:Anyway if you don't understand my point then I've clearly failed as a communicator
Ok. We'll just go with this.
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2013/02/28 00:12:38
Subject: The Blue Knight strikes again!
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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BryllCream wrote:You can't spam a company's facebook page because they've done something that you don't like.
That is exactly what you should do. The whole point of social media is interacting with the public, and if you've done something the public deems distasteful, then they will tell you so.
it's not any different then writing them a letter voicing your complaint. And then taking that letter, putting it in your buggy, hitching up your horses, and then driving them 50 miles to the general store and affixing a penny stamp and asking them to mail it while also picking up ammunition, bear furs, and barrels of dried meat, because it's obviously 150 years ago since we're writing a letter on paper instead of electronically.
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 lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
 Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
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2013/02/28 00:45:27
Subject: WTF GW?
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Thread killer. 
Excellent find and plenty of gems in there, as well.
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At Games Workshop, we believe that how you behave does matter. We believe this so strongly that we have written it down in the Games Workshop Book. There is a section in the book where we talk about the values we expect all staff to demonstrate in their working lives. These values are Lawyers, Guns and Money. |
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2013/02/28 00:47:58
Subject: WTF GW?
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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winterdyne wrote: jonolikespie wrote:
I am afraid I can't find a link to anything about it but it is what I, and several other people were told by GW staff. The company that GW were using in China to manufacturer their paints registered them as their own IP (or trademark or whatever), and then decided to increase charges to GW, as GW were using the names and colours that they didn't own. As a result they swapped their entire line rather than continue to deal with them.
Store monkeys have a habit of being 'enthusiastic' with their story telling. I've had store staff tell me numerous times things which I have known outright to be false. Unless your source is in or close to head office, I'd take most things with plenty of salt. They are told very little indeed; bear that in mind.
Still no actual source unfortunatly but apparently this has happend before. These guys http://www.blackhat.co.uk/coat_darms/paintcolours.php made the GW paints back in the early 90s. GW moved to a new retailer and copyright wasn't as strong so Coat'd'arms kept on making the paints and just sells them to other companies now. There are no GW trademarked words in there but it hasn't stopped them keeping most of the line and just remaning things like dark angel green to US dark green. Also that would explain why GW want all of their colours named after their things now, so that this can't happen again.
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
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2013/02/28 01:10:08
Subject: The Blue Knight strikes again!
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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 Ouze wrote:it's not any different then writing them a letter voicing your complaint. And then taking that letter, putting it in your buggy, hitching up your horses, and then driving them 50 miles to the general store and affixing a penny stamp and asking them to mail it while also picking up ammunition, bear furs, and barrels of dried meat, because it's obviously 150 years ago since we're writing a letter on paper instead of electronically.
Is that metaphor about to give birth, 'cause it has some major stretch marks.
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2013/02/28 01:23:24
Subject: Re:WTF GW?
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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I read it in my head in Sterling Archer's voice.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
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2013/02/28 01:57:56
Subject: Re:WTF GW?
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Ouze wrote:I read it in my head in Sterling Archer's voice.
Don't worry. I did as well!
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2013/02/28 02:30:08
Subject: WTF GW?
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Thread killer.
Excellent find and plenty of gems in there, as well.
And here is a little word from our sponsor-
“Games Workshop has had a good year. We have launched some great new products including the new Citadel paint range. We have made good progress on all our major initiatives. This has resulted in an encouraging level of volume growth. We have a strong management team and excellent staff who are committed to delivering a healthy return on capital. We have honoured our commitment to distribute genuinely surplus cash to our shareholders.”
Oh my.
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2013/02/28 03:22:16
Subject: WTF GW?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I actually bought the painting guilde and I was disappointed in the content. For 50 dollars I expected more information than was in the book. Everything was super basic. I don't know maybe watching all the painting tutorials on utube and buying other painting guide's has made me a bit Jaded, but I just expected more some how.
As far as the paints go. I like them but at the same time I dont really want to pay 4 dollars for 12ml of paint when I can buy the same color in a different range for 2.50 that has 17ml instead and that paint range has a bottle top that doesn't let the paint dry out as easy.
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2013/02/28 03:29:05
Subject: WTF GW?
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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The only thing that is more tiresome than "these threads" is when people like you see the thread title and go out of their way to go crap in it.
No one puts a gun to your head and makes you read them, much less post in them.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
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2013/02/28 04:16:15
Subject: WTF GW?
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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Ouze wrote:
The only thing that is more tiresome than "these threads" is when people like you see the thread title and go out of their way to go crap in it.
No one puts a gun to your head and makes you read them, much less post in them.
I actually feel ill saying this, but...SoloFalcon kind of has a point. I realize he's often...abrasive...but this is a thread complaining about something we all discussed in N&R last year, we all got upset, and it's just a thread pulling us all back into angry-at- GW mode. Ugh. I need a shower after my agreement, but it's true. Mods, how is this thread still alive?
*And yes, this is coming from someone quite annoyed with how GW has been acting over the past few years.
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2013/02/28 04:36:13
Subject: WTF GW?
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
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Interesting information, after GW moved away from Coat D'Arms paints, they changed, and not all for the better, IMHO, I mean none of the bottles have gotten any better yet, but if this new line of paints is because they got barked at over in china, then I say GOOD, I know I won't ever buy another GW paint pot for as long as they are priced ridiculously and are in those god awful bottles that allow my pot to dry out while not in use..
Yes I'm a fan of dropper bottles, cause I also airbrush, and mix colours, but I am not against bottles, infact I have gone out of my way to source some "old GW" paints from Coat D'Arms, all I can say is at least those bottles work, and don't kill the paint they hold..
GW is as business, but it has very much changed its business model from answering to the community it helped grow to answering to the shareholders, which is understandable, without the aid of shareholders GW would have gone bust by now, but I can see that dire age of grim dark at GW looming again, but this time for a different reason.. Pissing off your customers is one dire way to ensure they don't come back again, and that is something I feel sadly GW is very good at these days..
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2013/02/28 06:58:58
Subject: WTF GW?
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Ouze wrote:The only thing that is more tiresome than "these threads" is when people like you see the thread title and go out of their way to go crap in it.
No one puts a gun to your head and makes you read them, much less post in them.
Ouze, I believe you and I have discussed this before: Without such posts Solo would have literally nothing else to do at this site, so leave him be.
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2013/02/28 14:02:52
Subject: WTF GW?
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Many thanks for this you wonderful man!
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2013/02/28 15:58:51
Subject: WTF GW?
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I do miss the LOTR masterclass tutorials. Most GW painting tutorials tended to focus on using out of the pot paints to create models where the colours didn't quite look right and a bit cartoonish as transitions were too abrupt and colours didn't quite match. The LOTR tutorials were the first thing that taught me about mixing paints, particularly browns and creams, to give the model a duller but more unified look kind of like using a filter on your camera.
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2013/02/28 16:07:04
Subject: WTF GW?
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 Kizmet wrote:since when have they removed ALL of the painting articles off there website?
Haven't yet read the whole thread, but if you're in need of painting instructions, Miniwargaming.com has a few video samples of low-cost painting DVD's, and if you make an account on their website, you can get new painting DVD's for free 
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2013/02/28 16:36:40
Subject: WTF GW?
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My god, download all the things!
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 Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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2013/02/28 16:46:56
Subject: What happened to GW's online painting articles?
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
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Item of note:
The names were trademarks, not copyrights. One cannot copyright a color, and the names themselves are not protected as copyrights.
The fact that GW never managed to hold on to those trademarks is a matter if idiocy.
Also, certain terms cannot be trademarked as they are far too vague or are terms that existed far before any specific use.
An example of that would be Ultramarine Blue. VGC range has that exact name, as did the old GW range.
The reasoning for the new naming scheme is that while the colors are not trademarked, the "fluff" names added to them are.
I maintain that the only colors in the current GW range worth using are Mephiston Red and Ceramite White.
Also known to every 3 year old as red and white.
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2013/02/28 21:28:25
Subject: What happened to GW's online painting articles?
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 Aerethan wrote:I maintain that the only colors in the current GW range worth using are Mephiston Red and Ceramite White.
Also known to every 3 year old as red and white.
Have you tried the Averland Sunset (also known as yellow)? I like that, it's more vibrant than the old foundation yellows which tended to be more brownish but still has very good coverage. Actually I haven't been disappointed by any of the base paints, as a whole they're more vibrant than the foundations while maintaining good coverage.
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2013/02/28 21:40:02
Subject: What happened to GW's online painting articles?
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Aerethan wrote:Item of note:
The names were trademarks, not copyrights. One cannot copyright a color, and the names themselves are not protected as copyrights.
The fact that GW never managed to hold on to those trademarks is a matter if idiocy.
Also, certain terms cannot be trademarked as they are far too vague or are terms that existed far before any specific use.
An example of that would be Ultramarine Blue. VGC range has that exact name, as did the old GW range.
The reasoning for the new naming scheme is that while the colors are not trademarked, the "fluff" names added to them are.
I maintain that the only colors in the current GW range worth using are Mephiston Red and Ceramite White.
Also known to every 3 year old as red and white.
Ultramarine is a pigment. Oddly, it's blue. Ultramarine Blue would be a blue paint made with (or looking like) Ultramarine. Not a good trademarkable name.
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2013/02/28 22:10:35
Subject: What happened to GW's online painting articles?
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Ian Pickstock
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Why do GW even want to make sure that each name for their paints is trademarkable? How could this benefit offset the impact of making pretty much all the names feth-ugly to say.
The old names were actually pretty cool, the older ones anyway (the newer ones got kinda weird). I will always have a place in my heart for Skull White...I remember my first tub of that with the Ork Bad Moon symbol thing on it. Good times.
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