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Agreed on all counts Melissia.

We could just use the following test;
"wiener dog lover?"
yes - ok you're WDL.
no-step over to this place marked X right here. Why? no reason...

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I hate the DMV, they are anal to a degree, I go over a curb, I fail, god do you know how many times i see experianced drivers do that?

*Raises hand* I haven't run over a curb in my 20+ years of driving young man...

Do you need glasses?

The last time I ran over a curb it was something like five years ago, because some arsehole truck driver blocked my exit from a gas station so I took an alternate route to get back on the road.


... whaaaaaat?

 kronk wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I hate the DMV, they are anal to a degree, I go over a curb, I fail, god do you know how many times i see experianced drivers do that?

*Raises hand* I haven't run over a curb in my 20+ years of driving young man...

Do you need glasses?

I needed to not be driving a car that has a bigger footprint then a boat.

 Alfndrate wrote:

This begs the question of what documentation was Miss Jones missing. According to Transequality.org, she simply needed to provide the following: Applicant needs medical documentation stating that SRS has been completed and if name change is desired an amended birth certificate or a court order is needed. Which she would have already had since to change your gender with the Social Security Administration you need medical records showing the completion of your surgery.

Ah, I suspect you may have hit on what happend here... It may be someone being transphobic, but now I'm aware of this I would guess, without more information, that she was being difficult. Knowing what the public can be like with public body's possibly it went something more like:

"I want to change the sex on my licence"
"Mam, we need to see X bit of information"
"Can't you tell that I'm a woman"
"Yes mam, but we need the correct bit of paper"
Etc.

Almost all red tape, as anyone who has worked in a public body will tell you, is down to a member of the public doing something stupid, complaining and the management trying to make it sure it never happens again.

 Steve steveson wrote:
Ah, I suspect you may have hit on what happend here... It may be someone being transphobic, but now I'm aware of this I would guess, without more information, that she was being difficult. Knowing what the public can be like with public body's possibly it went something more like.

But again, to get her gender changed with the SSA, she already needed documentation confirming the completion of her SRS. Like that's one of the only things with the SSA for gender changing that you have 1 option for. So if she wasn't missing documentation, why wouldn't they let her do it?


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Do you need glasses?

I needed to not be driving a car that has a bigger footprint then a boat.

 LordofHats wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
The hell is up with the DMV

There's your problem

I have a solution:

God I loved that show.

Sex and Gender are different things.

You can stop arguing now.

 azazel the cat wrote:

SickSix wrote:This kowtowing to every single freak out there and then guilting the majority with political correctness bull crap is going to destroy western civilization.

if this article were about a black man, would you have used the phrase "kowtowing to a n***** "? If it were about a homosexual, would you have used the phrase "kowtowing to a f***** "?

Please refrain from using slurs and derogatory, judgement-laded terms when describing transgendered people.

Well his use of the word freak does actually fit the definition of freak according to the dictionary definition of freak which is "A thing or occurrence that is markedly unusual or irregular:"

Transgendered are something that is noticeably unusual.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Well his use of the word freak does actually fit the definition of freak according to the dictionary definition of freak which is "A thing or occurrence that is markedly unusual or irregular:"

Transgendered are something that is noticeably unusual.

Yes, because the literal dictionary definition of the word "freak" is the only thing that matters here, not its much more common and offensive meaning of "eww, gross".

I'm done with this thread, I gotta say even for Dakka, some of your folks are just sad.

DeathReaper wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

SickSix wrote:This kowtowing to every single freak out there and then guilting the majority with political correctness bull crap is going to destroy western civilization.

if this article were about a black man, would you have used the phrase "kowtowing to a n***** "? If it were about a homosexual, would you have used the phrase "kowtowing to a f***** "?

Please refrain from using slurs and derogatory, judgement-laded terms when describing transgendered people.

Well his use of the word freak does actually fit the definition of freak according to the dictionary definition of freak which is "A thing or occurrence that is markedly unusual or irregular:"

Transgendered are something that is noticeably unusual.

And guess what the dictionary definition of "n***** " is? It's a derogatory term for a man of African-American descent. I think most black people are noticeably of African descent. Would you use the same justification for using that term when referring to them?

Or are you claiming that calling someone a freak isn't derogatory?





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KalashnikovMarine wrote:I'm done with this thread, I gotta say even for Dakka, some of your folks are just sad.

Yeah, I think I'll take that same path. I suspect I might have difficulty keeping my mostly-pleasant charm about me in here.

 SickSix wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Born a man, you are a man. Period. Slapping some boobs on won't change that.

Congratulations, you win the "most ignorant and offensive comment of the day" award. Possibly for the entire week even.

No you are ignorant and offensive to me.

This kowtowing to every single freak out there and then guilting the majority with political correctness bull crap is going to destroy western civilization.

And you win the most bigoted and naive statement award.

So, tell me, Mr Whitebread, starchcollared, conservative, Sunday best, morally pure, missionary position, fifty shades of beige... Just what constitutes a 'freak' for you eh? Do you still switch off the tv when Elvis is shown gyrating, or perhaps you avert your eyes and genuflect in terror if a woman with her ankles showing wanders past you on the street (assuming, against the indicator of your statement, that you get out of the house at all...)? Also, I suspect that your actual, secret definitions of normal (vs 'freak) are actually a very small minority and on the steady decline. If they share your repulsive views, then that's all the better for the rest of us, the majority of oddities.

So, tell me, Mr Whitebread, starchcollared, conservative, Sunday best, morally pure, missionary position, fifty shades of beige... Just what constitutes a 'freak' for you eh?

Cat lovers. Any person who loves cats is a person that should not be allowed to live.


Well I am sure lots of people are freaks to me. But so long as they keep their rights from touching my nose, thats the price of a free society. Deal with it. Vive Le Difference!

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 SickSix wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Born a man, you are a man. Period. Slapping some boobs on won't change that.

Congratulations, you win the "most ignorant and offensive comment of the day" award. Possibly for the entire week even.

No you are ignorant and offensive to me.

This kowtowing to every single freak out there and then guilting the majority with political correctness bull crap is going to destroy western civilization.

And you win the most bigoted and naive statement award.

So, tell me, Mr Whitebread, starchcollared, conservative, Sunday best, morally pure, missionary position, fifty shades of beige... Just what constitutes a 'freak' for you eh? Do you still switch off the tv when Elvis is shown gyrating, or perhaps you avert your eyes and genuflect in terror if a woman with her ankles showing wanders past you on the street (assuming, against the indicator of your statement, that you get out of the house at all...)? Also, I suspect that your actual, secret definitions of normal (vs 'freak) are actually a very small minority and on the steady decline. If they share your repulsive views, then that's all the better for the rest of us, the majority of oddities.

Bravo MGS! Exalted.

 Frazzled wrote:

So, tell me, Mr Whitebread, starchcollared, conservative, Sunday best, morally pure, missionary position, fifty shades of beige... Just what constitutes a 'freak' for you eh?

Cat lovers. Any person who loves cats is a person that should not be allowed to live.


Well I am sure lots of people are freaks to me. But so long as they keep their rights from touching my nose, thats the price of a free society. Deal with it. Vive Le Difference!

The truth has been spoken.

In seriousness... Oh dear. My best wishes to the poor woman stuck in this mess.

 d-usa wrote:
I have to say that I like her style there. There is no reason for people to have to go through crap like that.

Damn right.

Please refrain from using slurs and derogatory, judgement-laded terms when describing transgendered people.

Judgement-laden terms or slurs is incredibly offensive against anyone, not just special snowflakes.

Hold on sec.....

Dood walks into DMV...

Dood has mutilated his body to attempt to become and look like a woman...

DMV(who has problems with normal peoples ID) can't figure out what to do with this guy...

Some people on Dakka are surprised?

Interesting...

GG

People who think of gender or even sex as a simple binary male/female divide are simply ignorant and haven't studied this area of biology at all.

As was well-described earlier in the thread, even if we're talking about chromosomal or physical SEX (as opposed to gender, which is more fluid and has to do with identity and societal conventions), nature has a lot more variety than just male/female.

MOST human beings are xx female or xy male, but quite a lot are not. If you are unable to wrap your head around that, and that causes you to apply words like "freak", or "mutilated dood" to these folks, then your ignorance becomes other peoples' problem, and you are doing a disservice to yourself and everyone around you.

 Mannahnin wrote:
People who think of gender or even sex as a simple binary male/female divide are simply ignorant and haven't studied this area of biology at all.

As was well-described earlier in the thread, even if we're talking about chromosomal or physical SEX (as opposed to gender, which is more fluid and has to do with identity and societal conventions), nature has a lot more variety than just male/female.

MOST human beings are xx female or xy male, but quite a lot are not. If you are unable to wrap your head around that, and that causes you to apply words like "freak", or "mutilated dood" to these folks, then your ignorance becomes other peoples' problem, and you are doing a disservice to yourself and everyone around you.

First of all..I don't appreciate you changing my post around so you could try and make my post to the same level as the "freak" post. Not cool at all.

2nd of all..I just don't buy into the new PC group think that some people do. Much like beauty, Ignorance is in the eye of the beholder.

GG

How exactly is it NOT the same as the "freak" post? How is anything you just said NOT a pile of ignorant horse gak? Treating human beings the way they deserve to be treated, with some actual freaking respect, isn't "PC group think" it's "being a decent freaking human being.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
How exactly is it NOT the same as the "freak" post? How is anything you just said NOT a pile of ignorant horse gak? Treating human beings the way they deserve to be treated, with some actual freaking respect, isn't "PC group think" it's "being a decent freaking human being.

I would rather be honest with someone, then enable them.

That's not the same thing as disrespecting them.

What about the people that get 100's of piercings, and tattoos. Are you going to enable that behavior, or are you going to tell them they have a problem?

GG

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
How exactly is it NOT the same as the "freak" post? How is anything you just said NOT a pile of ignorant horse gak? Treating human beings the way they deserve to be treated, with some actual freaking respect, isn't "PC group think" it's "being a decent freaking human being.

I know everyone thinks differently, but I read GG's post to mean that DMV has issues with dealing with "normal" people (we're all freaks, it's just a matter of degree and overt-ness), and is sarcastically pointing out the relative hilarity of some people's reactions here.

In that aspect, I rather agree with him.

On the other hand, I have come to the assessment that if a person comes into DMV or anyplace else, and has the "duck" thing going on... who are they to argue? What I mean is, if it looks like a woman, and talks like a woman, it must be a woman right? Conversely if it walks like a dude, talks like a dude, it's a dude right? My personal feelings on the matter don't matter.


Frankly, I think that we'd all be much better off if we all followed the "Golden Rule", even if not followers of the religion.

 generalgrog wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
How exactly is it NOT the same as the "freak" post? How is anything you just said NOT a pile of ignorant horse gak? Treating human beings the way they deserve to be treated, with some actual freaking respect, isn't "PC group think" it's "being a decent freaking human being.

I would rather be honest with someone, then enable them.

That's not the same thing as disrespecting them.

What about the people that get 100's of piercings, and tattoos. Are you going to enable that behavior, or are you going to tell them they have a problem?

GG

What behavior? The right to do with your body what wish?

 generalgrog wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
How exactly is it NOT the same as the "freak" post? How is anything you just said NOT a pile of ignorant horse gak? Treating human beings the way they deserve to be treated, with some actual freaking respect, isn't "PC group think" it's "being a decent freaking human being.

I would rather be honest with someone, then enable them.

That's not the same thing as disrespecting them.

What about the people that get 100's of piercings, and tattoos. Are you going to enable that behavior, or are you going to tell them they have a problem?

GG

So a known and diagnosed psychological and biological disorder is now in ANY WAY comparable to voluntary behavior that also, shockingly enough does NOTHING to harm you or affect the way you live your life? Which again, oddly neither do trans individuals. Why do you care so much about other people's lives that you have to tear them down for their medical conditions or personal life choices? Do you need to control things that much? Is it that vital for you to impose your bronze age morality on everyone around you?

 generalgrog wrote:
2nd of all..I just don't buy into the new PC group think that some people do. Much like beauty, Ignorance is in the eye of the beholder.

Too bad, because you're wrong. There is clear evidence that transgendered people are suffering from a mismatch between body and brain structure, not making a "lifestyle choice" or any similar nonsense. Refusing to accept and treat the problem (by fixing the body to match the brain) is equivalent to refusing to help someone who was born without a leg and declaring it "PC group think" to argue that the person has a right to get a replacement leg and have their choice to have two legs respected.

By referring to the person discussed in this thread as a mutilated dood, he's making the same error that sicksix and other folks have made. A hurtful and dangerous error.

It's also silly to refer to "new PC groupthink", while engaging in ignorant groupthink. Sticking to binary concepts of sex and gender because they're more convenient and require less thought, regardless of reality or the consequences to other human beings. It's not even a question of "new" vs "old". Many cultures have had more expansive and accurate concepts of sex and identity than that. Many Native American tribes, for example, had a concept referred to as "two-spirited", referring to people who had aspects of both male and female.

Judeo-Christianity hasn't been real big on that whole 'your body, do what you want' thing since the Torah was written by the Jews in exile in Babylon.

There's a line in Leviticius decrying piercings and tatoos as 'an abomination unto God' (yep, the exact same phrasing used to decry homosexuality).

The rabbis wrote the Torah that way to keep the exiled Jews, surrounded by Babylonians who DID get tattoos, piercings, ate seafood and pork, etc, etc, etc, from loosing their cultural disticntivness and blending into the greater Babylonian culture... which would have left the rabbis with no cultural or political power.

Much of the Bible is explained by lust for power over others on the part of the writers.

See I've always thought the "The body is a temple" argument should be used FOR tattoos not against them, cause what's a temple without stained glass right?