Sanguinor's Blessing

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**warpspider89**

DeathReaper wrote:
jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
DeathReaper wrote:
Not flawed.

"The Blood Angels army list is split into five sections: HQ, Elites, Troops, Fast Attack and Heavy Support. All of the squads, vehicles and characters in the army are placed into one of these sections..."(81)

Note the underlined section is really the defining language.

If The Sanguinor is from the Blood Angels army list, and it falls into one of the 5 categories (Which of course The Sanguinor does as he is an HQ), then he is in the army, and his rules that say army refer to the units in one of the five sections.

Proof of what army means in the context of the Blood Angels book.

That's a blood angels army list, ok. That is nice and all, however "Your Army" also includes any allies. IIRC his rule states your army, not your BA side, not your primary/secondary, etc.

Again, look at the FAQ's. They've clearly spelled out cases they didn't want it to apply to whilst leaving others open.

It does state your army for the Sanguinor's rule, but what does that mean?

In context that means any model from the blood Angels codex.

Remember the BA codex says "All of the squads, vehicles and characters in the army are placed into one of these sections..."(81)

Note the underlined. it clearly states the army, and in context that means from the blood angel army list.

As far as the BA codex is concerned, "the army" is "The Blood Angels army list" which is "split into five sections" and "All of the squads, vehicles and characters" " are placed into one of these sections"

Do not ignore the context of the BA codex and what it defines as "the army"

Simply put the context of what an army is changed in 6th edition from what it meant in 5th edition.

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DeathReaper wrote:
That still does not alter the context of the Sanguinor's rule.

The Sanguinor's rule is clearly not referencing allied units.

The context NOW is one that includes armies with allies who can also be friendly and have sergents.

**jdjamesdean@mail.com**

DeathReaper wrote:
That still does not alter the context of the Sanguinor's rule.

The Sanguinor's rule is clearly not referencing allied units.

Except it does, within the context of the rules.

**Peregrine**

DeathReaper wrote:
That still does not alter the context of the Sanguinor's rule.

The Sanguinor's rule is clearly not referencing allied units.

And what you keep ignoring is that, in GW's opinion, it does reference allied units when you apply it to 6th. That's why similar rules had to get errata to include "from X codex".

**Kommissar Kel**

Peregrine wrote:
DeathReaper wrote:
That still does not alter the context of the Sanguinor's rule.

The Sanguinor's rule is clearly not referencing allied units.

And what you keep ignoring is that, in GW's opinion, it does reference allied units when you apply it to 6th. That's why similar rules had to get errata to include "from X codex".

And what you are ignoring is that there is no such model in any codex as a "sergeant".

The rule is either moot or is expanded to mean "Sergeants"(Space marine Sergeant, Assault Marine Sergeant, Terminator Sergeant, and Scout Sergeant) in the Blood angels codex only, or no models at all.

We either read it as written("Sergeant" models, of which there are none).

Or we read it as it was intended at time of writing: Space marine Sergeant, Assault Marine Sergeant, Terminator Sergeant, and Scout Sergeant in the Blood angels codex.

**Peregrine**

Kommissar Kel wrote:
And what you are ignoring is that there is no such model in any codex as a "sergeant".

Sure there is. My IG codex has several of them who will gladly benefit from even this extremely narrow interpretation of the rules.

Also, this is only a "problem" if you don't understand plain English. A "space marine sergeant" is a type of sergeant, just like a plasma gun is obviously a type of plasma weapon even if that GK plasma-at-BS-1 thing doesn't explicitly list a plasma gun.

The rule is either moot or is expanded to mean "Sergeants"(Space marine Sergeant, Assault Marine Sergeant, Terminator Sergeant, and Scout Sergeant) in the Blood angels codex only, or no models at all.

This is a false dilemma fallacy. You're ignoring the third option: it includes all sergeants in your army, like the rule says.

**Jimsolo**

Peregrine wrote:
Kommissar Kel wrote:
And what you are ignoring is that there is no such model in any codex as a "sergeant".

Sure there is. My IG codex has several of them who will gladly benefit from even this extremely narrow interpretation of the rules.

Wow. I forgot that IG and Blood Angels are Battle Brothers. Yeah, it should apply to them too.

Ok, so I borrowed a BRB (mine was recently destroyed in a flood) so I can finally come down with some quotes.

BRB p112 wrote:Battle Brothers are treated as 'friendly units' from all points of view. This means, for example, that Battle Brothers:

Are counted as being friendly units for the targeting of psychic powers, abilities, and so on.

I think that's about as plain as it gets. The Sanguinor's Blessing ability, by RAW, should affect Black Templars, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Imperial Guard, Vanilla Marines, and Space Wolves.