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I think the Egyptian military needs to stay in charge for awhile. Over time slide civilian authority into position of authority. I trust the Egyptian military due to the fact its not radical. Egyptian military are a riot to be around. They get trained at Ft Eustis, VA for their aviation MOS's. Also to Ft. Knox for their armor MOS's...Soon or now to Ft. Benning, GA.
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d-usa wrote: The Egyptian military has had more than a few opportunities to turn on the people, so far they have done a decent job IMO.
I get the feeling that those running the Egyptian military genuinely don't want to be in charge of the whole damned country. From their perspective they're probably already too busy running the military, so why add more to that burden? At the same time though it's pretty clear that they’re not going to sit by and let someone else ruin the country when they can do something about it.
Mr. Burning wrote: What'll happen the next time a duly elected government of Egypt is thought to be rotten? more protests or will they get the hang of that voting thing next time?
The Brotherhood were more like a dubiously elected government though
There was a lot of complaining at the time about everything from vote-fixing to not allowing other candidates to run a proper campaign to voter intimidation. Basically, everything you'd expect from an Islamist party.
I don't know. The Brotherhood won roughly five national elections in Egypt, "their" constitution passed referendum, etc. It seems a solid majority of Egyptians want them in charge.
If the solid majority of Egyptians are so thrilled about having a hardline Islamist government, then what's with the nightly mass street parties calling for the morons to GTFO?!
They won there election through very dubious means and over the past year or so have really begun to show their true colours. They've completely ignored the economy and basic law & order that's nessesery for the country's overall stability, and instead they're more concerned about persecuting the Coptic Christian minority and imposing Sharia Law as the constitutional law of the land...
For some reason, it's blown up in their collective faces.
One issue that isn't discussed is that the Brotherhood built up a large amount of their political base through running strong charitable programs. When given the choice in elections, a lot of people understandably voted for the guys who helped them when they had no money for food.
That the Brotherhood then set about putting in place some hard line social policies while the economy steadily fell in to the gakker caused that goodwill to disappear rather quickly.
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purplefood wrote:It is nice that no one seems to have died...
According to this, five protesters were killed, although not all at once. Still, for a government coup, there was remarkably little bloodshed. I hope it can stay that way.
Mr. Burning wrote:What'll happen the next time a duly elected government of Egypt is thought to be rotten? more protests or will they get the hang of that voting thing next time?
Isn't it rather common for countries that are transitioning to democracies to have a few hiccups along the way? I think most of them get it wrong the first time. I also think there's some civil unrest at the beginning of the new country, typically. (I know the USA had both.) It seems like they're continuing to take steps in a positive direction, which is a good thing.
purplefood wrote:It is nice that no one seems to have died...
According to this, five protesters were killed, although not all at once. Still, for a government coup, there was remarkably little bloodshed. I hope it can stay that way.
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Nels, that blog you linked requires you to sign up to read it. A pop-up showed up that demanded I log in to get rid of it. Since I'm a little leery of signing up for websites I haven't vetted (or even heard of before), would you mind copying the relevant part of the article? Or is it available somewhere else, perhaps? Sorry, but I've been burned by the internet before.
Jimsolo wrote: Nels, that blog you linked requires you to sign up to read it. A pop-up showed up that demanded I log in to get rid of it. Since I'm a little leery of signing up for websites I haven't vetted (or even heard of before), would you mind copying the relevant part of the article? Or is it available somewhere else, perhaps? Sorry, but I've been burned by the internet before.
You have to manually stop the page from loading after the main body of text appears. The call to the popup appears to be last. Here is the article.
Egypt's Islamists Turn Violent After Morsy's Fall
Posted By David Kenner Thursday, July 4, 2013 - 5:01 PM Share
CAIRO -- Rallies in support of Mohamed Morsy during the day on Thursday were smaller than they had been previously, perhaps because supporters of the deposed president stayed away out of fear of violence. But while the numbers may have been down, reports of violence throughout the city suggested that this crisis is far from over.
Bullet holes were visible at sites across the pro-Morsy sit-in outside Cairo's Rabaa al-Adaweya mosque -- the product of violence at the protest site late last night. There is also anecdotal evidence that some of the former president's Islamist supporters have grown increasingly radicalized by the military takeover: One protester directed a message to army chief Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, saying that he had created "a new Taliban" and a "new al Qaeda" in Egypt.
The violence was even worse at Cairo University, the site of another pro-Morsy rally, and outside of the capital. Sixteen people were killed and at least 200 were injured in clashes between pro- and anti-Morsy protesters at the Cairo University rally yesterday, causing the military to move in today to separate the groups. A video allegedly filmed today showed clashes between pro-Morsy protesters and Egyptian security forces on the bridge leading up to the university.
Outside of Cairo, four people -- three Morsy supporters and one police officer -- were killed in the city of Minya, another four were killed in Alexandria, and six Islamists were killed in the western city of Marsa Matrouh.
Evidence also emerged suggesting that ultra-hardline Islamist groups were turning away from politics -- and toward violence. A video allegedly filmed in northern Sinai, a traditional flashpoint for jihadist violence, showed an Islamist crowd declaring the formation of a "war council" following the coup, and chanting "no peace after today."
The outpouring of anger came simultaneously with a widespread crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood by the Egyptian military. The movement's supreme guide, Mohammed Badie, was arrested; security officials said that up to 300 arrest warrants were issued for leading members of the group; and the government-owned printing press refused to print the newspaper belonging to the Brotherhood's political party. In an interview with the New York Times, opposition leader Mohammed ElBaradei justified such steps as "precautionary measures to avoid violence."
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Mr. Burning wrote: What'll happen the next time a duly elected government of Egypt is thought to be rotten? more protests or will they get the hang of that voting thing next time?
The Brotherhood were more like a dubiously elected government though
There was a lot of complaining at the time about everything from vote-fixing to not allowing other candidates to run a proper campaign to voter intimidation. Basically, everything you'd expect from an Islamist party.
I don't know. The Brotherhood won roughly five national elections in Egypt, "their" constitution passed referendum, etc. It seems a solid majority of Egyptians want them in charge.
Eh... it was dubious... I remember an old article that in a prominently coptic christian area, something like 90% of the vote results were for the Muslim Brotherhood... there were red flags all over.
Will we be seeing US marines in Egypt to restore a democratically elected president who got 55 per cent of the vote? Or is it only 'democracy' when the west likes the guy who gets voted? I think I answered my own question!
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