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Sounds like the GW TO had not given it much thought.

I would think you too successfully stated how your allies and fancy hardware would do.

He may or may not be tired of you beating the new people and possibly making them not like 40k so much (=less $$).
Bragging of your OP wrecking ball army of doom tends to get the TO thinking how to counter it so keeping that quiet is a good practice.

I would ask for the tournament rules as early as possible saying "I want to have good painted stuff ready so I need to know what is allowed or not".

Always nice to say "Well, I was thinking of beefing up my allies with more models, but I guess I do not need to now."
Reward what you want and punish the behavior you do not want from the guy.

I would look for larger gaming groups, being a big fish in a small pond is less fun than you may think.

<<edit>>spelling... mind blown

I'm going to try and convince him to either let more than 2 people fire out of the Firestorm Redoubt, (Using the wording 'Unless the players agree otherwise' as the basis of my argument,) or else convince him to let me use allies, or back out of the tournament.
The only reason I go to the GW is because it's conveniently located and I have a friend who goes there. We can't move any of the stools to the tables to sit down while we play, there's no public restroom, and it's a small crowd... I might have to try one of the other stores if I can't get these problems worked out. (Which I don't want to do, I've had bad experiences at both of the other local places...)

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Kangodo wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Actually, I have a lot of friends. What we don't do is go out and buy the new flavor-of-the-month so we have a winning army. We adapt and improve our game.

It's not about changing to the flavour of the month each time.
It's about people who bought or changed to a new codex, that just happens to be Tau Empire or Necron.

Are you really not going to play against them out of some misplaced feeling of "overpoweredness!"?

Nope. We would just play aganst them til we figure out how to beat them. However, none of us are FotM players.

Now, back on topic..

Sounds like you don't evolve as players either to the meta, and are just as WAAC as some of the FOTM people.

But yeah, the TO is probably adjusting things to make it easier on the new guys, not realizing that there will be WAAC gamers with their flying lists beating things out anyways, an allied list is far easier to deal with then a Croissant list.

Oh man, after reading the first few posts, I feel sorry for the TO

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Didn't realize TOs were always supposed to make thi.gs easy. It is a tournament, after all.

You missed the point, it's not about the rules the TO is making, it's about the TO allegedly changing rules with the specific intent to create a detriment for the OP. I have no idea if that's actually happening or not, but if it is, that's the issue.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Didn't realize TOs were always supposed to make thi.gs easy. It is a tournament, after all.

You missed the point, it's not about the rules the TO is making, it's about the TO allegedly changing rules with the specific intent to create a detriment for the OP. I have no idea if that's actually happening or not, but if it is, that's the issue.

This. I can't prove it, but the timing of both of his rulings and previous comments he has made makes it particularly suspect.

Waaaghpower wrote:
This. I can't prove it, but the timing of both of his rulings and previous comments he has made makes it particularly suspect.

Go in and talk to him about your new super list.

6x15 Blood Claws and a Wolf Priest

When he tells you that you can't take more than 4 of any troops choice, you'll know the truth.

Kangodo wrote:
This is the topic.
People are preferring to ban stuff instead of learning how to deal with it.
It's a crappy attitude and it will never learn people to play better.

Tournaments are not the time to learn anything. If you want to learn how to play against a certain army, do it outside of a tourney.

No allies? It's his right to choose what rules he wants and doesn't want, especially those that aren't integral to the game. Don't like it? Host your own tournament with allies, where you can smash the gak out of all the new player's armies with your Firestorm Redoubt and allies, which none of them will have, as admitted by yourself.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
This is the topic.
People are preferring to ban stuff instead of learning how to deal with it.
It's a crappy attitude and it will never learn people to play better.

Tournaments are not the time to learn anything. If you want to learn how to play against a certain army, do it outside of a tourney.

That may be true but they are also not the time to be complaining about power lists when prizes are at stake. As long as the player is not rude or otherwise a bad sportsman tournaments are are ment for power lists and gaming and non tourney gaming is ment to be casual learning experiance. Otherwise dont have a tourney were you have to pay money and there is prize support. I see alot of complaining about how the OP's list is unfair because it uses allies and other models other people don't have access to so it's not fun to play against. Well I say they really need to find a different hobby then because did they think maybe some people who make these kinda of lists do so because they want to have tourney level lists but dont have enough money to buy extras to make fluffy non comp lists. And by refusing to play him and refusing to let him use his models he bought and painted he now is not having fun and probly wont be a custermer at the store to much longer. The To may not relizize that by scewing the the rules to acomadate one end of the spectrum the new players he now alienates his established custermor base and risks losing customers. He really needs to find a way to compromise.

In case I wasn't clear before: The three people who show up on Saturdays regularly don't have allies or a Firestorm Redoubt, and aren't particularly great at the game. HOWEVER, the people who show up whenever there is a tournament generally play multiple armies, and it seems like about half of them also play either CSM and bring triple helldrakes or else play Necrons and bring flier spam, or else play Guard and bring 3 vendettas. Or some combination of the three.
So, to those of you who are saying that I 'need to stop smashing the gak out of them/taking OP lists/playing cheesy armies,' I don't do that. In fact, this would have been the second time I've ever used allies. (I would have, of course, played a couple practice games to make sure the list fought well, but I'm not counting that because I never played those practice games since it would be irrelevant.) I've also only used the Firestorm Redoubt once, in an Apocalypse game, (though that's because I've only had it for a week.)

Waaaghpower wrote:


Five minutes later, he says "You know what, I think I'll ban allies for this tournament."

Jesus christ.

For his next tournament is he banning the ballistic skill ? Not the shooting phase, just the ballistic skill.

I hate it when TO's, for totally arbitrary reasons, just surgically remove portions of the game from their tourneys.

Which is almost always on the onus of "cuz i can, cuz i'm running the event".

I've run complex events at big cons ; this is almost always a fething terrible idea for competitive events.

Let him overhear you talking about picking up a CSM army on eBay with 3 helldrakes and that you are considering bringing that to the tournament.

See what happens.

Your worries about flyers should be shortly dispelled.

that'd be hilarious if he suddenly banned fliers (or at least multiple fliers) if he found out you were bringing 3 chickens.

Fliers are the only portion of the rules i really dont care about people banning. Not that i cant deal with it, its because its much more relaxing and fun. Allies dont do that to me i dont even pay attention to it outside "That unit must die..." like i would if there werent allies.

We're only hearing one side of this. For all we know, the OP i s a poor winner that does the Manu Wesle Dance every time he wins a game and the TO is tired of it.

Or, the TO is a mangy Git.

Either way, I would stop playing there.

Well, just go to the tourney without playing. If he is ruining your fun, don't pay him in form of an entry fee. You can have fun at a tournament without playing, just spectating games and talking to people. As a bonus you can also leave any time you feel like.
Just resist the urge to help people playing their game, you will anger either the player, his opponent or both.

If you're asked why you aren't entering the tournament, just tell him the truth. A hobby is about having fun. If you're not having fun because your TO randomly bans rules, there is no point in attending the tournament.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Tournaments are not the time to learn anything. If you want to learn how to play against a certain army, do it outside of a tourney.

And if you are incapable of playing against a certain army, learn it outside of a tourney. See how that works?

Your logic baffles me: "Tournaments are not for learning, so we should ban things people will lose against!"

My Necrons will probably lose against Tau and I don't want to learn to counter them, can we ban them too?

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
No allies? It's his right to choose what rules he wants and doesn't want, especially those that aren't integral to the game. Don't like it? Host your own tournament with allies, where you can smash the gak out of all the new player's armies with your Firestorm Redoubt and allies, which none of them will have, as admitted by yourself.

This.

Maybe the TO set these rules to give the newer players a chance as he has seen you winning against them all the time like you said?

 KhornateCake wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
No allies? It's his right to choose what rules he wants and doesn't want, especially those that aren't integral to the game. Don't like it? Host your own tournament with allies, where you can smash the gak out of all the new player's armies with your Firestorm Redoubt and allies, which none of them will have, as admitted by yourself.

This.

Maybe the TO set these rules to give the newer players a chance as he has seen you winning against them all the time like you said?

Except the OP stated that only the regulars are newbies, the peeps coming for tourneys are playing competitive lists and I would assume better players. Which makes sense, the more competive crowd do tend to show up when prizes are involved. You guys are only reading the parts you want to see.

clively wrote:
Let him overhear you talking about picking up a CSM army on eBay with 3 helldrakes and that you are considering bringing that to the tournament.
See what happens.
Your worries about flyers should be shortly dispelled.

You do not think evil enough, he would then say 5 minutes later:
"Ya know, I keep seeing on the forums how OP the helldrakes are, I will only allow one per army in the tournament."

It really would not surprise me he is just trying to get the OP to not attend (for justified reasons or not).

 Talizvar wrote:

"Ya know, I keep seeing on the forums how OP the helldrakes are, I will only allow one per army in the tournament."

Kinda the point.

Well, sort of good news I guess. I was able to talk him up to letting the firestorm redoubt have 2 fire points instead of one.
Yay, I guess?

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

"Ya know, I keep seeing on the forums how OP the helldrakes are, I will only allow one per army in the tournament."

Kinda the point.

Kinda missing the point: he would find a way to nerf his stuff but still let the flying circus run against him...