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 GurneyMan wrote:
20000-30000 to 5000 is a bit of hard number...

IIRC they were much more numerous. Salamanders was around 20k and they was considered on of the smallest legions.

Did the Thousand Sons end up as actually 1000 marines at some point?

I recall something like that but I can't think from where.

PredaKhaine wrote:
Did the Thousand Sons end up as actually 1000 marines at some point?

I recall something like that but I can't think from where.

Actually at two points:
First, right before Magnus "cured" them from the Flesh Cahnge
Second, when the flee from Prospero

PredaKhaine wrote:
Did the Thousand Sons end up as actually 1000 marines at some point?

I recall something like that but I can't think from where.

it was the irony - 1000 when flesh change hit them and 1000 when wolves sacked Prospero (it is mentioned in ats novel)...

Magic circle...

 Pilau Rice wrote:

Well he's not mortal anymore is he, part Daemon if that makes you happier.

You miss my meaning.

How did he forget he was a Daemon?

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Pilau Rice wrote:

Well he's not mortal anymore is he, part Daemon if that makes you happier.

You miss my meaning.

How did he forget he was a Daemon?

Basically he spends a few pages getting his ass handed to him by Bjorn and then Ironhelm, who has him pinned at a wall, powerfisting him mercilessly, then he has what I can only describe as an epiphany which equates to "Why am I letting this happen?" then effortlessly mortally wounds Ironhelm in return. All that combat could have been avoided by Magnus just wrap killing them with eye beams or whatever at any point he wanted.

I know how the fight happened, but the wording used (three times!) is that Magnus forgot he was a Primarch, not that he forgot he was a Daemon now.

I was just asking Pilau what daemon-related cool gak Magnus forgot to use.

It's being exaggerated, he didn't actually forget, it's just that he has the power to end the fight before it starts, but instead struggles in a fight he doesn't need to struggle in, let alone fight in. It's just an oddity.

 Sheokronath wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Pilau Rice wrote:

Well he's not mortal anymore is he, part Daemon if that makes you happier.

You miss my meaning.

How did he forget he was a Daemon?

Basically he spends a few pages getting his ass handed to him by Bjorn and then Ironhelm, who has him pinned at a wall, powerfisting him mercilessly, then he has what I can only describe as an epiphany which equates to "Why am I letting this happen?" then effortlessly mortally wounds Ironhelm in return. All that combat could have been avoided by Magnus just wrap killing them with eye beams or whatever at any point he wanted.

That's exactly what happened. Magnus has some serious alzheimers.

 Sheokronath wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Pilau Rice wrote:

Well he's not mortal anymore is he, part Daemon if that makes you happier.

You miss my meaning.

How did he forget he was a Daemon?

Basically he spends a few pages getting his ass handed to him by Bjorn and then Ironhelm, who has him pinned at a wall, powerfisting him mercilessly, then he has what I can only describe as an epiphany which equates to "Why am I letting this happen?" then effortlessly mortally wounds Ironhelm in return. All that combat could have been avoided by Magnus just wrap killing them with eye beams or whatever at any point he wanted.

As much as I enjoyed the Horus Heresy books when they came out, gak like this makes me think they shuoldn't have bothered. Magnus is capable of destroying entire planets with his pyschic ability, yet they still have to twist the narrative around him getting his ass kicked. It's weird.

The closing pages of that book really go off the rails, not ten pages before this he steps on a terminator and walks around mind popping thralls. Then all of a sudden powerfists are super effective.

I'm fairly certain he hits him so much he actually destroys Magnus' body and is left pounding his psychic essence or something. The specifics evade me, but I recall that.

There are some flaws to some peoples thinking here.

1. It is not stated anywhere that I have read that the Thousand Sons worship Tzeentch. The Oracle in Exile can be inferred to be a Daemon Prince but nothing is said outright. THey were tricked/corrupted by Tzeentch but the Rubric undid all that.

2. Magnus at the Battle of the Fang had 600 Rubricae with him, the rest were with Ahriman or others, there are only about 1000 (duh) Thousand Sons left.

3. The biggest fissure between Magnus and Ahriman is that Magnus has accepted that he is just a pawn (albeit an unwilling pawn) and is still emotionally scarred from ruining the Emperors plan. Hence why he doesn't really leave the Eye.
Ahriman meanwhile still believes Chaos can be used to further his own goals and is currently trying to get into the Black Library.

demontalons wrote:
Hence why he doesn't really leave the Eye.

Except not. Magnus have more confirmed appearances outside the Eye than all other daemon primarchs.

Care to name these? As far as I know he only has the one where he attacked Fenris.

Angrons gone out a couple times (Armageddon), Mortarions had a few PlagueCrusades, but I've only heard of Magnus once.

demontalons wrote:
Care to name these? As far as I know he only has the one where he attacked Fenris.

Angrons gone out a couple times (Armageddon), Mortarions had a few PlagueCrusades, but I've only heard of Magnus once.

At least three (may be more) are mentioned in the Battle for Fang - aside the Fenris itself Magnus showed multiple times on different planets to lure the Great Wolf to his fullish hunt, including the "bane of the wolves" incident where Magnus showed as old mortal man, and allow Great Wolf to "kill" him. Two more Magnus apearances are covered in Ragnar books which a hadn't read due to insane amount of Mary Sueism in them

An interesting take on this would be: Rubricae are bought and sold by sorcerers, who use them as weapons more than as troops. If they fall inactive unless near to a sorcerer, than surely it would also give a sorcerer who controls some Rubric Marines leverage to be drafted into Chaos Lord's armies. Maybe a number of other Sorcerers control Rubric Marines, because they don't seem to really be living, or answer to anybody but whoever controls them. Imagine them like bearer bonds.