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It wasn't nessisarily explosive decompression the whole five minutes. There's also the moving air outside the hole that will suck out stuff inside the hole. It's like driving with your windows down, only at a greater speed. But yeah, I groaned when the raft plugged the hole.

So the first episode referenced Gamma, Super Soldier Serum and Extremis as being the cause of its story. Second episode stuff was caused by a Hydra Tesseract weapon. I wonder how many shows are going to be fallout of stuff from the movies before we get to one that's going to have all it's own material.

I'd be happy for an episode that didn't bore the pants off me.

 AduroT wrote:
It wasn't nessisarily explosive decompression the whole five minutes. There's also the moving air outside the hole that will suck out stuff inside the hole. It's like driving with your windows down, only at a greater speed. But yeah, I groaned when the raft plugged the hole.

So the first episode referenced Gamma, Super Soldier Serum and Extremis as being the cause of its story. Second episode stuff was caused by a Hydra Tesseract weapon. I wonder how many shows are going to be fallout of stuff from the movies before we get to one that's going to have all it's own material.

I don't see a problem with that.


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 Breotan wrote:
Well, I was underwhelmed by the second episode. Nothing really made me care about any of the characters, even the hot hacker girl's hot looks weren't enough to overcome the 3rd rate story. And apparently the showrunners really really don't give a damn about physics. Seriously, how long is explosive decompression supposed to last? On an airplane? At 37,000 feet? It was over five minutes on the show. And a tower construction crane isn't strong enough to suspend the disbelief needed to accept that a flimsy rubber raft can plug a hole in the fuselage, catch a full grown man and not be sucked out of the plane, and allow for full (and instant) re-pressurization of the cabin. If the writing doesn't stop being so damned stupid, I'm ditching this show.

Can't wait for season two of Arrow. At least that show doesn't assume their audience is full of morons.

It's a shield raft, it's special.

Why don't you guys go start an Arrow thread?

Is it a superhero series?

I didn't bother watching because the "Marvel" "SHIELD" name made it sound like superheroes, whom I find boring and stupid.

However I have seen a trailer that makes it look a bit more like X Files with more action and SF bling added.

So far there are no "Super Heroes" involved. The agents are merely human. At least that's how they've presented them so far.

It has potential. But the people loving the cast is what keeps shows like this going so heres hoping they click sooner rather than later.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Is it a superhero series?

I didn't bother watching because the "Marvel" "SHIELD" name made it sound like superheroes, whom I find boring and stupid.

However I have seen a trailer that makes it look a bit more like X Files with more action and SF bling added.

Maybe that's because you don't actually understand what SHIELD is.

SHIELD isn't the Avengers, it's not the X-men, it's not the Fantastic Freaking four.


It's SHIELD, A bunch of top secret Agents dealing with crap the sheeple don't want to know about. And yes they do interact with super heroes etc, but SHIELD themselves are not super heroes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.H.I.E.L.D.#Organizational_structure_and_procedure

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Is it a superhero series?

I didn't bother watching because the "Marvel" "SHIELD" name made it sound like superheroes, whom I find boring and stupid.

However I have seen a trailer that makes it look a bit more like X Files with more action and SF bling added.

No it is a Joss Whedon TV show, the Marvel is there for the comic book fans. If you like his other TV show give it a chance you will likely like it, if your not a fan he's stuff you could pass.

 pities2004 wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Is it a superhero series?

I didn't bother watching because the "Marvel" "SHIELD" name made it sound like superheroes, whom I find boring and stupid.

However I have seen a trailer that makes it look a bit more like X Files with more action and SF bling added.

Maybe that's because you don't actually understand what SHIELD is.

SHIELD isn't the Avengers, it's not the X-men, it's not the Fantastic Freaking four.


It's SHIELD, A bunch of top secret Agents dealing with crap the sheeple don't want to know about. And yes they do interact with super heroes etc, but SHIELD themselves are not super heroes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.H.I.E.L.D.#Organizational_structure_and_procedure

It's because to me "Marvel" == super hero comics and "SHIELD" sounds like a super hero team. I have Marvel's "The Nam" but it's obvious what that's about.

I liked Buffy Vampire Slayer.

It's still teething, but like last week, there were some good moments. I especially liked the last line.

It's ok I guess. I probably wouldn't watch it if it weren't Marvel.

Just watched Episode 2. The show is definitely alright but not one of my favourites.

I watched five minutes of episode 2 and changed the channel. When I saw the bad uniforms and hokey engine nacelles on the C-17 it looked like a cross between A Team and bad.

 Frazzled wrote:
I watched five minutes of episode 2 and changed the channel. When I saw the bad uniforms and hokey engine nacelles on the C-17 it looked like a cross between A Team and bad.

Well when it's cancelled and in 5 years when hardcore whedons are begging for Shield to come back, we will look back at this moment.


RIP firefly

I just watched it (I'm very jealous of you guys in the USA who get it before us Brits) and I thought it was pretty good. I think I prefer last week's episode, simply because of the superhuman interaction making it feel more marvel, but the same time, I do like the way they're once more bringing in the links to the films. I actually expect either Hydra or AIM to make a comeback in a big way if this show runs on, as they are an integral part of the marvel universe without dealing with too much superhero stuff. It would be a good way of bringing in a major 'villain' concept, although the Rising Tide seem to have that covered for now.

I was a little disappointed they didn't follow up the Mike Peterson story from episode one, but I'm almost certain they'll come back to that. After all, this episode was only set a few hours after the last one ended, so you can't expect them to pick up all the pieces.

The acting did seem a little clunky in places, but I think that's partly down to the show just starting off and partly due to the 'scientists can't do social interaction' idea/cliche. The plot was perhaps a little tenuous at times (the raft being the only real example of this), but this is the same universe where we have a billionaire in a flying metal suit, an interplanetary god, and supersoldiers on ice for 70 years, so I think I'm perfectly willing to suspend my disbelief.

Fury's cameo at the end was brilliant, I hope we see more of those. The odd scene like that with Stark or Banner could be cool as well.

Overall, it was plenty good enough, and my interest is still piqued. I'll certainly rewatch this one, and look forward to next week's.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
superheroes, whom I find boring and stupid.

It's like my whole world is falling apart. I don't even know who I am anymore.

 Flashman wrote:
It's still teething, but like last week, there were some good moments. I especially liked the last line.

Very much so.

As a comic fanboy I am just loving the fact we have a Marvel centric TV show, to be fair it would struggle to do any wrong in my eyes anyways, but I am seeing this as better than any other Sci-fi in the last couple of years.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
As a comic fanboy I am just loving the fact we have a Marvel centric TV show,

Like this?

Could have been worse.. you could have linked Birds of Prey.

 Frazzled wrote:
I watched five minutes of episode 2 and changed the channel. When I saw the bad uniforms and hokey engine nacelles on the C-17 it looked like a cross between A Team and bad.

The violence is pretty much on par with what you'd get with an episode of the A-Team actually.

Some people get punched and knocked out, guns are fired but you don't see anyone get hit except for one split second shot of a guy falling down.

At then end of the day there is some shenagains with a plane and a "I love it when a plan comes together" moment with agent coulson.

Also the effects for the special sheild plane flying over the jungle and landing were very bad imo.

TV budgets, even ones this size, rarely allow for cinema quality special effects. Time is also a factor, when you have to produce X episodes in a given year as opposed to two years for a film.

 Ahtman wrote:
TV budgets, even ones this size, rarely allow for cinema quality special effects. Time is also a factor, when you have to produce X episodes in a given year as opposed to two years for a film.

Could they seriously not license some footage of an actual rain forest? Nature documentaries on PBS are lousy with "flying over a rainforest" shots, just grab a 2 second clip from the editing room garbage can and paste it in there.

Or just not have shots like that? The only reason to have a shot showing the sheild plane's exterior is for the audience to go "Wow, that plane looks cool!" but you (or me at least) can't say that when it looks far worse than anything in "MS Flight."

Just have an indian jones thing where the plane flys along a dotted path and stick to shots of the planes interior.

I think they were trying to give her that bad ass moment like Sam Eliot in We Were Soldiers:

Lt. Colonel Hal Moore: I think you oughta get yourself an M-16.

Sergeant Major Basil Plumley: Sir, if the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground.

It seems perfectly reasonable to me that she doesn't carry a gun as she's made it very clear she doesn't Want to be involved in any fighting. She's just been forced into every fight that's come up so far...

 pities2004 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I watched five minutes of episode 2 and changed the channel. When I saw the bad uniforms and hokey engine nacelles on the C-17 it looked like a cross between A Team and bad.

Well when it's cancelled and in 5 years when hardcore whedons are begging for Shield to come back, we will look back at this moment.


RIP firefly

This isn't going to be cancelled unless it gets the worst ratings in TV history, it's being funded from "upstairs" at the Big D, and its merits as a show are almost entirely besides the point. It exists to keep the hype for the Movie Universe going between the films, and as a way for them to introduce new heroes and villains from the comics which can be spun off into their own movies or bit-parts in the main "franchises". Obviously it's in their interests to try and make it as good as possible in order to reach the widest audience, but it would have to be tanking to an obscene degree for them to cancel it, since even a mediocre Marvel show will satisfy their fanbase, keeping them energised and ready to promote the next film through word of mouth.

EDIT: Figured out why it reminds me of Human Target; Bear McCreary's the composer for the score on both shows(at least season 1 of HT, season 2 they dumped the orchestral score to save cash and it really diminished the experience of watching).

Like the first episode, wasnt a huge fan of the second.

It's firmly in the OK pile I really like it, but not as much as shows like Falling Skies, Revolution, and surprisingly enough, The Blacklist.

I think it's a good show that just needs to find it footing. Once they no longer need to reference the movies in order to provide something familiar for people to reference, and can start telling their own stories, it will get a lot better. Much will depend on the actors/characters. Even the first couple episode of Buffy weren't as good (but still great) until the actors got the chance to settle into the roles.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I think it's a good show that just needs to find it footing. Once they no longer need to reference the movies in order to provide something familiar for people to reference, and can start telling their own stories, it will get a lot better. Much will depend on the actors/characters. Even the first couple episode of Buffy weren't as good (but still great) until the actors got the chance to settle into the roles.

This is a pretty good assessment overall, with the only character that needs more real work is the 'hot hacker who lives in a van'. All the other characters backstories and personalities match up with where they are, they just need to gel a bit more, but she is sorta goofy on all counts. There is an idea there, but it doesn't seem that thought out or presented at this point. To use Scooby Doo as a reference, they act like she is sexy Velma, but comes across more like miscast Daphne.

 pities2004 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I watched five minutes of episode 2 and changed the channel. When I saw the bad uniforms and hokey engine nacelles on the C-17 it looked like a cross between A Team and bad.

Well when it's cancelled and in 5 years when hardcore whedons are begging for Shield to come back, we will look back at this moment.


RIP firefly

It's been 10 years for that, actually.

Brownshirts/noses/coats/whatever still won't let it go.

Show of hands, who Didn't see that ending coming? Anyone?