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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 14:05:38
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Stubborn Hammerer
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Scorch was meh
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 14:12:26
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Episode 1 was excellent. Episodes 2 through last night have had far too many Cheesy Music Sadness scenes for my tastes. The pilot/combat chick looks absolutely silly when she attacks people. She might as well shout "Judo Chop!" ala Austin Powers. The "lone wolf" operative cliche character is a whiny little bitch. The whole show reminds me of NCIS (the show with the Hot Topics "Goth" chick): Cheesy, predictable, and lame. I guess since I'm not a 12 year old girl, I'm not their target audience. I'm going back to entertaining TV: COPs re-runs and C-SPAN LIVE coverage of congressional voting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 14:47:32
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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AoS seems to be given trash names for their stuff. Scorch was dumb. Centipede is... wow. Just, wow. Like kronk said, a lot of this stuff looks derivative of Austin Powers.
The sad part about Joss Whedon's stuff is that it takes so effing long to go anywhere. I mean a slow build can be good but meandering isn't. Look at Doll House. Season one didn't go anywhere until Joss was told it wouldn't be renewed after the second season. Then he had to cram everything in and reinvent the show for the second (and last) season. Being that it's Marvel and Disney means we're likely going to have to suffer for a while before this show begins to go anywhere.
Seriously, though, Centipede? WTF?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 15:24:00
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Fixture of Dakka
Bathing in elitist French expats fumes
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I got the feeling that centipede was just a placeholder name until they can actually figure out how these guys call themselves? Automatically Appended Next Post: I actually enjoyed the scenes where Coulson was angry. To me it was very believable. I've always wanted Whedon shows for the interactions between main characters, the rest of the plots are icing on the cake. I think that's why Doll House never did it for me because you couldn't rely on "the characters" remaining the same all the time.
And at first I was wondering why Eliza Dushku didn't get Skye's role (they look so much alike), but I might perjure myself in saying this: I think she can be subtler, and act better than ED.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/23 19:23:51
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Last episode was meh. I'm now waiting for the show to get to the point.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/24 02:04:48
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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I was surprised a women was actually incinerated in the last one. Maybe the show will get more of an edge as it goes on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/24 08:21:19
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:I was surprised a women was actually incinerated in the last one. Maybe the show will get more of an edge as it goes on.
So was I. First I was surprised that they showed the SHIELD Agent with a fist-sized hole burnt through his chest, but it didn't take them long to one-up themselves.
The villains weren't as good as last week's. Both surprised me, but this was just Freddy Kruger stuff while forcing one hostage to act as the other hostage's handler shows that they are ruthless and smart. And the woman resigning herself to carrying out their dirty work due to the constant surveillance and threat of torture felt more grounded than Scorch's "Who's laughing now?" schtick.
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"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/24 08:43:57
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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I liked the whole "They gave him a name" thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 20:18:39
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Once more, I liked it. Maybe some areas were a bit cliched in places, and Skye and Fitz-Simmons have yet to grow on me (the scene at the end about Skye's family did add some much-needed depth, but not enough yet). Couslon , May and Ward were all pretty good, as usual. The idea about some Super-people just taking the name to be remembered was also an interesting twist.
I like the contrast between the espionage/techy theme of the last one and this week's more action-orientated style. I also like the fact that the plot does seem to be going somewhere, albeit slowly. This is really the first concrete reference to a plot arc we've had, as the frequent references to the Rising Tide were pretty meaningless.
Not my favourite, but still perfectly watchable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 20:32:57
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Kain wrote:When is it out in South Africa? And on what channel of DSTV can I find it on?
I think they're all on Hulu.com
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 21:16:11
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Blame regular Marvel for that. Not only is he an existing character(though his real name in comics is Johnny Ng, he's a pyrokinetic mutant), there's been two other Scorches in 616 alone.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/20 14:53:45
Subject: Re:Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Stubborn Hammerer
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Last nights episode takes place right after Thor 2, best episode to date.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/20 14:55:51
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Only one Judo Chop moment last night. The very end was nice. I bet she's great in the sack.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/21 02:58:16
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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But which of those three kids was he? You'd think one of the two at the well but the third kid actually looked like him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/21 02:59:44
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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That's what I thought. The older mean kid looked like Ward. It'd be an interesting plot twist if he was the antagonist in his backstory, and not the victim.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/21 03:06:43
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Did not think of that, HBMC...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/21 04:48:55
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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I believe I heard the boy in the well calling out the name "Grant". And I think I heard the skinny bully kid say the name Grant as well. Therefore, I propose that Grant was the kid lowering the rope...being told to hold off by the other boy.
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I liked the most recent episode the most, besides the pilot. I thought it was very interesting how they incorporated the norse berserker into the story...and loved how torn Coulson was about the staff and hearing about the "you aren't cleared for that" news.
And just because Ward went in with Mae, doesn't mean they did anything.
People who have been through similar traumatic experiences don't have to get sexual with each other. Often times, it's more intimate for them to share their experiences and just let it all out than any sexual encounter could ever be.
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I destroy my enemies when I make them my friends.
Three!! Three successful trades! Ah ah ah!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/21 07:26:47
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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I wish my nightmares consisted of a relaxing massage in Tahiti...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/21 07:29:54
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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AduroT wrote:I wish my nightmares consisted of a relaxing massage in Tahiti...
well, first you have to get shanked while working for a secret agent
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/21 09:38:44
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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If you missed it, Johnathan Frakes aka Commander Riker directed this episode.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/21 12:29:08
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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Jonathan Frakes is a pretty decent television director. His movies lack that certain something (they scream TELEVISION) but outside of that...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/22 22:39:31
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Fixture of Dakka
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Peter MacNicol really should stop messing around with cursed artifacts. It never ends well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/24 00:11:03
Subject: Re:Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Fixture of Dakka
West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA
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Simmons is so gratifyingly nerd-hot..........
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"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/24 00:50:08
Subject: Re:Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Fixture of Dakka
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Nope, sorry, Felicity Smoak wins that title.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/24 12:37:07
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Wrathful Warlord Titan Commander
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I'm pretty sure getting a model and putting her in glasses doesn't count as nerd-hot.
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How do you promote your Hobby? - Legoburner "I run some crappy wargaming website " |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/24 12:40:04
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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I liked the last one, nice link to Thor without being at all spoilery for those of us who haven't seen TDW. Ward's backstory and more about Coulson's history was interesting to see.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/30 17:30:01
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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Here's an article that indicates other people are seeing what we're seeing with SHIELD. Pictures included to help Frazzled maintain interest.
Leo Sun wrote:Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD Needs to Fix These 3 Big Mistakes
Back in September, I discussed Marvel's Agents of SHIELD, an ambitious attempt by Disney (NYSE: DIS ) to expand the Marvel Cinematic Universe -- dominated by Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, and Captain America -- onto the small screen.
It was the first time that a movie franchise and a television one co-existed in the same universe, and I initially believed that it would eventually tap into the creative richness of the Marvel comic universe on which it was based.
Unfortunately, I've been dead wrong so far. After watching nine episodes of this show, I'm disappointed that Joss Whedon -- the writer and director of The Avengers -- still hasn't breathed any of his trademark magic into this once promising new franchise.
The good news is that the show hasn't completely tanked -- its ratings recently climbed 4% week-over-week to a Nielsen rating of 2.5 -- a steep drop from the rating of 4.7 for its premiere, but a major improvement from the low of 2.2 it hit earlier this month.
However, fans might not be as forgiving if the show doesn't make some big changes soon. Let's take a look at three of Agents of SHIELD's biggest mistakes, and how Joss Whedon's team can rectify them before this show suffers the same fate as Whedon's Firefly, which was cancelled in 2002 by Fox before the first season even completed.
Mistake #1: Built on faulty 1990s logic
Whedon is one of those directors who has done well on the big screen (The Avengers, The Cabin in the Woods) but has produced mixed results on television.
Agents of SHIELD suffers from dated storytelling techniques that Whedon carries over from his previous shows, such as Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the successful 1997 reboot of a mediocre 1992 film, and Dollhouse, the 2009 series that featured people turned into programmable "dolls" to assume any identity.
Agents of SHIELD uses the same "monster of the week" formula as Buffy, the fights are choreographed in a similar manner, and special effects -- such as lasers, flames, and superpowers -- aren't terribly convincing. Like Dollhouse, Agents of SHIELD is scripted with plenty of unconvincing pseudo "geek speak" -- Skye, Agents Fitz, and Agent Simmons constantly prattle on about "TCP/IP" and "firmware and hardware" -- terms that were apparently copied off the settings of a Wi-Fi router.
Due to these influences, Agents of SHIELD feels like a show trapped in the 1990s -- an age when shows like Buffy, Angel, Xena: Warrior Princess, and Hercules were passable forms of entertainment.
Back then, photogenic two-dimensional characters were acceptable -- but today, in the age of Lost, 24, Breaking Bad, and The Dark Knight, audiences expect deeper, more flawed characters being driven by more than an innate desire to save the world.
Mistake #2: Not "Marvelous" enough
That leads into Agents of SHIELD's second major flaw -- it is losing its connection to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The show occasionally uses plot devices from the films, such as the Extremis virus from Iron Man 3 and the Tesseract from Thor, to remind viewers that they are still in the Marvel Universe.
However, if the names of these devices were changed, the SHIELD team would simply be just another team of scientist-slash-government agents investigating supernatural events -- a tired concept that we have already seen done better in The X-Files and Fringe.
Audiences, seeing the Marvel page flip logo at the beginning of every episode, have come to expect bigger, flashier things from the Marvel Universe -- things that Whedon's team simply can't deliver on a smaller budget. There's no moment in Agents of SHIELD that matches the impact of Iron Man's suit catching up to him, Thor smashing his hammer, or Hulk smashing Loki into the ground at the climax of The Avengers.
Early on, Agents of SHIELD featured some cameos of other characters, such as Agent Maria Smith (Cobie Smulders) and a Nick Fury (Samuel L. Jackson). Since then, however, no other characters from the films have appeared. Even a widely hyped crossover with Thor: The Dark World in episode 8 featured nothing more than the SHIELD team on cleanup duty after the battle in Greenwich.
Therefore, as Agents of SHIELD drifts farther away from the Marvel Universe, its initial charm will wear off, and eventually more unfavorable comparisons to The X-Files and Fringe will emerge.
Mistake #3: Lack of compelling story arcs or backstories
Last but not least, we need to discuss the show's timing. Agents of SHIELD is sticking with its "monster of the week" formula in a time when most TV shows favor serialized story arcs.
The show's only major story arc is the mystery of Agent Coulson's miraculous resurrection after being impaled by Loki in The Avengers. Every few episodes there's a little hint dropped that "Tahiti," where Coulson claims he went after he died, isn't what it seems.
The writers are obviously counting on that mystery to keep viewers coming back, but in the meantime, we get hit-and-miss stories of a deranged scientist transformed into the Marvel villain Graviton, a cheesy pyrokinetic guy named "Scorch," and an invisible stalker.
It's a lot like what Whedon did with Dollhouse -- the series started off far too slowly with weekly episodes in which the main character, Echo (Eliza Dushku), was sent on bland missions programmed as various people and "rebooted" after each mission. The story didn't start picking up until the second season, when it was revealed that Echo could actually inherit all of her previously programmed personalities, but by then ratings had tanked and the show was cancelled.
Agents of SHIELD might eventually introduce an interesting, compelling story arc to keep us tuned in every week, but for now, it's getting off to a very sluggish start. In an age when people use DVRs and streaming to watch TV shows, there's no reason not to use serialized story arcs to keep viewers coming back for more.
A final thought
Despite these problems, I believe that Agents of SHIELD can still be salvaged, with a clearer direction, better written characters, and more compelling story arcs.
However, I think that upcoming efforts from Time Warner's DC to hit the small screen -- such as Gotham, Constantine, and The Flash -- could run into similar problems. Gotham, which imagines Gotham City before Batman, will be a particularly problematic one.
By centering on Commissioner Gordon's early career in the Gotham police force, it removes the most appealing part of the franchise -- Batman -- from the equation, just as Agents of SHIELD removed the four main Avengers from the story.
Therefore, dear readers, that leads to an interesting final question -- will Agents of SHIELD succeed in its efforts to ride the coattails of The Avengers' success, or will these mistakes eventually sink this ambitious attempt to marry Marvel movies and television?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/30 23:15:05
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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I agree with those criticisms. This show may actually be hurting Marvel's brand a bit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/01 01:15:52
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Eh, I find it perfectly entertaining and I'm fine with a "Buffy formula" show.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/01 01:36:11
Subject: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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The article's mostly right.
Here's the first four paragraphs from a recent review on the A.V. Club. I liked the episode (the reviewer did not), but I can't help but agree with what they're saying here:
Marvel’s Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. is almost at the halfway point of its first season and it has no idea what kind of TV show it is trying to be. My gut instinct is to call it a children’s show due to its simplistic storylines and generally light-hearted tone, but then there are moments like Grant and Melinda’s alcohol-fueled hookup that push the show into more adult territory. This week, the team faces off against the unrequited lover of a young woman that was working on a particle accelerator, a man who gained the ability to teleport to and from an alien dimension after getting caught in an explosion when he sabotaged the accelerator to get a girl’s attention. It’s an exceptionally juvenile plotline for a show that is allegedly about a group of people working for the world’s most powerful peacekeeping organization, and indicates that the creative team has little interest in actually exploring the Marvel Cinematic Universe on this series.
I was going to grade “Repairs” in C territory until I remembered that show-runners Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen wrote this episode. With most shows, episodes scripted by the show-runners are a good indicator of the progress being made and the direction moving forward, and if this is what the next half of the season is going to be like, it’s going to be one rough ride. I can’t speak for the larger S.H.I.E.L.D. fandom, but episodes like this are not what I’m looking for from this show. To start, the lack of an overarching storyline is absolutely killing this show; there’s not even a consistent villain yet. The procedural aspect is completely uninteresting, mostly because there’s very little actual procedure involved, just dumb luck and touch-screen gadgets. When Tobias the Dimension-Hopping Psychopath smashes his wrench into FitzSimmons’ blue console, I cheered because maybe the team would have to actually do some sort of actual investigating. High-tech gadgets are cool, but things become very uninteresting when they’re the primary problem solvers.
Right now, S.H.I.E.L.D. is a boring procedural stuck in a case-of-the-week rut with no larger direction and a tangential connection to a superhero universe that is packed with more fruitful storytelling opportunities. There’s such a rich comic-book mythology for this show to pull from, but after nine episodes we’ve gotten Graviton, the Overkill Device, and Victoria Hand. Yippee. There are hundreds upon hundreds of characters that this show could take from the comics that would get Marvel fans more excited than random people like Hannah Hutchins and Tobias Ford, and they don’t even have to be major players. Using established characters makes the series feel like its actually part of a bigger Marvel Universe, rather than just any show about secret agents investigating strange occurrences. And no, Asgardian “berserker warriors” aren’t going to cut it.
One of the most frustrating things about this series is the incredulity of the characters when it comes to unnatural events. When the team learns about Hannah Hutchins’ current situation, which on the surface looks like the manifestation of telekinetic powers, their first reaction is that telekinesis just isn’t possible. These are people that live in a world where a man turns into a giant rampaging green monster when he gets angry. Just a week ago they were cleaning up the fallout of an attack on London by alien dark elves. I imagine the agents’ befuddlement is fairly confusing to Marvel fans who don’t know that Fox’s ownership of the X-Men means mutants are prohibited from appearing in the MCU, but worse than that, it’s just plain silly for these seemingly highly intelligent agents to find natural superhuman abilities implausible in an environment where the extraordinary happens all the time. Telekinesis is totally wacky, but a man that teleports through an alien dimension is conceivable? It’s a strange double standard that frankly doesn’t need to exist on this show.
Agents of SHIELD needs to stop skirting the edges of the MCU and just dive right in.
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