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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 04:47:42
Subject: Re:Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Young whipper snappers these days. Sheesh I remember when min wage was a little over $4
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 11:55:19
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Hallowed Canoness
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Yeah but that $4 was worth more then $10 now
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 12:07:13
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Old Sourpuss
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ph34r wrote:So you do your job correctly 50% of the time? You sound like one of those fat cat elementary school teachers that don't even work half the year! You probably don't deserve a living wage.
Please stop talking, your idiocy is showing and there are kids about. Teachers don't make jack gak in comparison to the hours they put in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 12:31:03
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Battlefield Tourist
MN (Currently in WY)
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I heard a "business owner" of a movie theatre on NPR talking about raising the minimum wage and he said, "If I paid my employees waht they are worht, they would be lucky to make $5 an hour."
If I worked for a donkeycave guy like that, I would make sure to work really, really, hard too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 12:45:25
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Alfndrate wrote: ph34r wrote:So you do your job correctly 50% of the time? You sound like one of those fat cat elementary school teachers that don't even work half the year! You probably don't deserve a living wage.
Please stop talking, your idiocy is showing and there are kids about. Teachers don't make jack gak in comparison to the hours they put in.
I think that was the point. He's being sarcastic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 12:51:09
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Old Sourpuss
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: Alfndrate wrote: ph34r wrote:So you do your job correctly 50% of the time? You sound like one of those fat cat elementary school teachers that don't even work half the year! You probably don't deserve a living wage.
Please stop talking, your idiocy is showing and there are kids about. Teachers don't make jack gak in comparison to the hours they put in. I think that was the point. He's being sarcastic.
I'll eat my words and blame the early morning if this is the case. I just don't like hearing any talk about people saying teachers get paid to work half a year.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 13:22:58
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Alfndrate wrote:I'll eat my words and blame the early morning if this is the case. I just don't like hearing any talk about people saying teachers get paid to work half a year.
I was being a wee bit sarcastic
I of course disagree entirely with the "lets pay our teachers next to nothing, it's not like the next generation of educated Americans depends entirely on them" line of thinking.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 13:29:31
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Old Sourpuss
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ph34r wrote: Alfndrate wrote:I'll eat my words and blame the early morning if this is the case. I just don't like hearing any talk about people saying teachers get paid to work half a year.
I was being a wee bit sarcastic
I of course disagree entirely with the "lets pay our teachers next to nothing, it's not like the next generation of educated Americans depends entirely on them" line of thinking.
Man, these words are tasty, a little dry but some bbq sauce is fixing that
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 13:35:39
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Alfndrate wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Alfndrate wrote: ph34r wrote:So you do your job correctly 50% of the time? You sound like one of those fat cat elementary school teachers that don't even work half the year! You probably don't deserve a living wage.
Please stop talking, your idiocy is showing and there are kids about. Teachers don't make jack gak in comparison to the hours they put in.
I think that was the point. He's being sarcastic.
I'll eat my words and blame the early morning if this is the case. I just don't like hearing any talk about people saying teachers get paid to work half a year.
Your right, they only get paid to work 3/4 of the year.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 13:42:14
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Old Sourpuss
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*shakes fist* YOU DURNED KIDS!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 14:53:36
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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There was a graph the showed the average a teacher makes and how many hours they put in. It turned ut they made 1.75$ an hour
I wish I could find it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 15:01:27
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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hotsauceman1 wrote:There was a graph the showed the average a teacher makes and how many hours they put in. It turned ut they made 1.75$ an hour
I wish I could find it
Yeah, I want to see that graph and how they arrived at that figure
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 15:11:17
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Old Sourpuss
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Dreadclaw69 wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:There was a graph the showed the average a teacher makes and how many hours they put in. It turned ut they made 1.75$ an hour
I wish I could find it
Yeah, I want to see that graph and how they arrived at that figure
Closest thing I could find:
http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2011/02/23/if-teachers-are-mere-babysitters-pay-them-accordingly/
The average teacher’s salary (nationwide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days = $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student– a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 15:14:41
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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So pretty much distorted stats then. I work in customer service at roughly $10 an hour and I could easily deal with 10+ people an hour, so should I sue my employer for not paying me minimum wage?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 15:18:25
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Fate-Controlling Farseer
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Teachers, when you break it down to hourly pay, get around $25 + an hour. They're doing pretty alright. Especially with their vacation time mixed in there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 15:20:14
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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djones520 wrote:Teachers, when you break it down to hourly pay, get around $25 + an hour. They're doing pretty alright. Especially with their vacation time mixed in there.
And their retirement too
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 15:21:57
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Fate-Controlling Farseer
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It's very equivalent pay to what we in the military get, without the inherent risk of life and limb, separation from family, shift work, and other general gakiness of our line of work.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 15:27:31
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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Ahh, that was it. I forgot it was a facebook rant, Disregard it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 15:28:54
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Old Sourpuss
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djones520 wrote:It's very equivalent pay to what we in the military get, without the inherent risk of life and limb, separation from family, shift work, and other general gakiness of our line of work.
You've obviously never worked in the public schools
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 15:33:22
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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Depending on the class you get it can be a warzone
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 15:40:17
Subject: Re:Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Battlefield Tourist
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The only reason we can pay teachers so little and get away with it is because it has traditionally been a "pink" collar job; i.e. held by women.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 15:40:49
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Old Sourpuss
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The problem is that teachers don't get paid by the hour, they get paid by the day. The $25 an hour figure is the idea that teachers work from 8am or so till 3pm. That's 6 hours of work time. So at $25 an hour it's 150 dollars a day, which isn't bad. I'd technically have to work 10 hours in a day to reach that dollars per day. Teachers aren't expected to just work the time they're in school, they're expected to go home that night, and plan for the next day, grade papers, etc... Which as someone that did that for several semesters, it's a good day if get done by 8pm. Yes they get summers off, but during that time period you are expected to do CEC, prep for the upcoming school year, etc... most teachers don't actually have "summers off"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 15:45:57
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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djones520 wrote:It's very equivalent pay to what we in the military get, without the inherent risk of life and limb, separation from family, shift work, and other general gakiness of our line of work.
Next I'm going to hear that the secret service have to protect you from terrorist tornados
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 15:48:09
Subject: Re:Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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Easy E wrote:The only reason we can pay teachers so little and get away with it is because it has traditionally been a "pink" collar job; i.e. held by women.

Interestingly, the majority of my high school teachers were men.
Men: Band, shop, chemistry, biology, math, philosophy/civics
Women: English/Literature, Spanish, geometry, history.
Okay, so when I break them down that way, they were split almost 50/50, but with it in mind that the classes I had with male teachers I took almost every semester, and history I only had two years of and a single year of geometry, it kind of leans back toward a male-dominated education.
That's just my anecdote though. As it was a small school in the middle of nowhere, it's hardly representative of America, or the world for that matter. It was reputed to be one of the better public schools in Illinois, with well above average standardized test scores, assuming that is a metric that actually means anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 15:57:39
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daedalus wrote: Easy E wrote:The only reason we can pay teachers so little and get away with it is because it has traditionally been a "pink" collar job; i.e. held by women.

Interestingly, the majority of my high school teachers were men.
Men: Band, shop, chemistry, biology, math, philosophy/civics
Women: English/Literature, Spanish, geometry, history.
All mathemethic teachers where female. But yeah this tends to be the diversification
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 16:02:49
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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MN (Currently in WY)
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Well, a recent trend is that mor emen are turning to the traditionally "pink collar' jobs now, so that doesn't surprise me that you are seeing an evening out.
http://www.npr.org/2012/06/12/154845329/why-more-men-are-choosing-pink-collar-jobs
Here's the key part:
We found this story in the New York Times, whose reporters crunched the numbers and found that from the year 2000 to 2010, fields dominated by women - that means where the workforce is more than 70 percent female - accounted for a third of job growth for men. That includes teaching, nursing, social work, a number of other fields, and this trend is true for men of all different ages and races.
However, since traditionally they were 70% women, that means the professions in question were often paid less than men. Only recently, has the disparity between men and women wages seen significant decreases.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 16:27:21
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Easy E wrote:Well, a recent trend is that mor emen are turning to the traditionally "pink collar' jobs now, so that doesn't surprise me that you are seeing an evening out.
http://www.npr.org/2012/06/12/154845329/why-more-men-are-choosing-pink-collar-jobs
Here's the key part:
We found this story in the New York Times, whose reporters crunched the numbers and found that from the year 2000 to 2010, fields dominated by women - that means where the workforce is more than 70 percent female - accounted for a third of job growth for men. That includes teaching, nursing, social work, a number of other fields, and this trend is true for men of all different ages and races.
However, since traditionally they were 70% women, that means the professions in question were often paid less than men. Only recently, has the disparity between men and women wages seen significant decreases.
That really come as surprising at all in our increasingly affirmative action oriented work environment. For proper diversification, dont most employers want, ideally, around a 50/50 split? Hence the reason men would be able to get into those 'pink collar' jobs more easily?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 16:30:00
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Dreadclaw69 wrote: djones520 wrote:Teachers, when you break it down to hourly pay, get around $25 + an hour. They're doing pretty alright. Especially with their vacation time mixed in there.
And their retirement too
Don't forget job security. Its almost impossible to fire a senior teacher.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 16:31:56
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Grey Templar wrote: Dreadclaw69 wrote: djones520 wrote:Teachers, when you break it down to hourly pay, get around $25 + an hour. They're doing pretty alright. Especially with their vacation time mixed in there.
And their retirement too
Don't forget job security. Its almost impossible to fire a senior teacher.
Yup! I'd forgotten that, thank you
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/27 16:43:22
Subject: Cali raises minimum wage to 10$ an hour
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