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 Ninjacommando wrote:
Question to everyone in this post.

"Why do you respond to Zilka86's posts when all he does is troll?"

Question to people who ask this.

"Why do you break Dakka rule #1, regardless if the poster is a troll?"

Ahaa, another thread
1. None of the IoM is really good, at least it's not as bad as the Chaotic forces.
2. All Space Marines can drink the blood of their enemies,due to the Omophagea they "gain the memories of the victim".
3. Blood Angels are not vampires.

So in short: You are wrong, they are not evil or bad.

I wasn't ment to come off as a troll i generally believe they are evil chapter and was so sick ofpeople saying there good guys

I think there's some genuine meat in this, there are definitely dubious features of those chapters it is not simple trolling. All of them would have serious questions to answer if they were investigated by real sticklers for purity and perfection.

Space Wolves are potentially mutated as some of them turn into wolf-beasts, also where do the Fenrisian wolves come from? Other human offshoots who are beastlike are called abhumans and persecuted. The wolf thing is definitely dubious by imperial standards.

Dark Angels are also extremely dodgy. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the Fallen may have been right, there are big questions over why it took so long for Johnson to reach Terra. The Fallen who've turned to chaos may have been left with little choice (all renegades seem to turn to chaos automatically in the fluff!). What is Cypher doing? Is he really a good guy? Recent fluff and the Horus Heresy books are, however, leaning more directly towards the Fallen being chaos, Fallen Angels is pretty direct. They also use xenos servants which is cause to be purged on its own.

Blood Angels have dodgy ceremonies but I wouldn't worry too much about the blood. The Black Rage and Red Thirst are arguably petty minor genetic disorders. However, when it comes to Mephiston they have massive questions to answer. There are implications that he's possessed or chaos tainted, he's certainly not right.

So yes all of them have their dodgy aspects but they are all part of the colour which makes 40k great fun. If all chapters were like the UM then life would be pretty boring. They show the diversity of what is allowed and also serve to show how the original legions were all very different in character and not all cardboard cuttouts.

Don't your dare try to blasphemy my mephy! >.<

zilka86 wrote:
I wasn't ment to come off as a troll i generally believe they are evil chapter and was so sick ofpeople saying there good guys

This is Warhammer 40,000. There are no "good guys" in the traditional sense of that phrase. Everyone is a butcher and a zealot, driven to do the unspeakable and commit acts that make real-world dictators and tyrants seem like school children. "It is better for a thousand innocents to die than to permit one guilty to go free" as the saying goes. Every Chapter has some flaw in their geneseed, it is simply a question as to what extent and in what ways it manifests. Every organization in the Imperium is driven by the belief that their way is the correct way, as the God-Emperor intended... and some of those factions are even granted the absolute authority to enforce their will.

"Innocent? A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty!" -- Inquisitor Karamazov

zilka86 wrote:I really dislike DA SW BA. DA are really a chaos chapter to me the truned on them selfs in ther own chapter civil war and are still going at but who knows what side is right . there. also to busy doing ther own thing must of the time to help out in wars and to fight with other chapters. SW Hello there warewolfs why haven't they been take out yet and killed . BA hello there vampires they go in to blood rages and kill ever thing they drink blood also why is the chapter also not killed off. So what do other people think of them chapters. i have been forced to allie with for a campaign we been running as i run a plan jane sm codex army i have truned my guns on my allies in are last fight to show my distrust and dislike of them evil chapters. but ever one say there good guys how so

Dark angels had some traitors, and they've been hunting them for ten thousand years to purge their shame, and make amends. They've defeated many great enemies of the emperor in the pursuit of these goals. No, they're loyal. As to fighting with all chapters - all space marines will fight against the others - take the minotaurs for example, and they're the dogs of the high lords of terra, and always at their beck and call.

Space wolves are not werewolves. In some the canis helix runs amok and turns them into something else. But it's also a blessing - it gives them hyper acute senses, and reading the fluff, it actually confers a level of resistance to chaos that other chapters don't have - it comes to the surface as an instinctual reaction when faced with chaos - will most wolves, they keep it as their spider sense, with some, they hulk out. Let's also not forget the space wolves of the thirteenth company - they've been hunting abandon and the chaos marines for ten thousand years, and they remain loyal both to Russ and to the emperor. Let's also not forget Logan grimnar is one of the most beloved heroes of the imperium and was voted to be overall commander of all space marine forces during the eye of terror. Let's also not forget that despite their stubborn, proud, headstrong and independent nature, they've fought in more wars than any other chapter and gained countless victories against the emperors foes.

Blood angels are not vampires. They drink the blood of their primarch merely as part of their initiation - to stabilise the rest of their gene seed - it's not their regular chow. Think a lot less nosferatu, and a lot more holy communion. As to blood rages - that's the battle frenzy. Considering all marines are zealous, ruthless and utterly dedicated to war, is it any wonder they enjoy it?

zilka86 wrote: Still think them 3chapters are tainted and all wage all out war to get ride off them. to me they all feel like chaos chapters

Except for, you know, everything else pointing to the fact that they're extremely loyal? Do us all a favour and try and read the lore.

zilka86 wrote:Yes i do any one who drinks blood is a vampire how can this chapter be called a good chapter the whole death company idea makes them evil at lest the relize there blood lust is taking over and seek to die in battle to redeem them selfs of ther sins


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There vampires why can't people see that

Mongols drank the blood of their horses. Drinking blood I'd not necessarily vampiric. And the death company is not evil - it's tragic. The blood angels posess a flaw in that the death of their primarch, as he tried to defeat Horus, and save the emperor (and you don't get more heroic, righteous and good than that!) echoes in every single blood angel. They're cursed with this dark shadow, but yet they're amongst the most blessed of marines. Why? They know they're flawed - they're all the more humble for it. And yet, It drives them every day to overcome it, to hold it at bay, and overcome it. They're all the stronger in their faith for it. Regarding the death company - it's their great tragedy. It's not about redeeming themselves for their sins. What sins. Its an ultra severe form of PTSD - they literally think they are sanguinius - like I said, his death echoes in each and every one of his sons. Marshalling them, and guiding them on this last great sacrifice is a terrible tragedy, but yet, it's s necessity.

zilka86 wrote:Sm should be the best purest warriors and any flaws shouldn't be allowed

The fact that they're forged from the flesh of their primarchs, and by the ultimate hand of the emperor means thru are perfect. Questioning the space marines is questioning the emperor. You talk a lot of flaws, when all you are talking about are quirks and differences.

zilka86 wrote:I hate them because people don't relize that there bad chapters the fight for them selfs and have ther own goals there selfish.

You mean the goals where they fight for the emperor, and crush his foes? Every organisation will have interests, debts, obligations, alliances, enmities and enemies. This is 40k. No one has friends.

Read the fluff. Take the blinkers off and stop having such a skewed, narrow and inaccurate point of view.

zilka86 wrote:
I really dislike DA SW BA. DA are really a chaos chapter to me the truned on them selfs in ther own chapter civil war and are still going at but who knows what side is right . there. also to busy doing ther own thing must of the time to help out in wars and to fight with other chapters. SW Hello there warewolfs why haven't they been take out yet and killed . BA hello there vampires they go in to blood rages and kill ever thing they drink blood also why is the chapter also not killed off. So what do other people think of them chapters. i have been forced to allie with for a campaign we been running as i run a plan jane sm codex army i have truned my guns on my allies in are last fight to show my distrust and dislike of them evil chapters. but ever one say there good guys how so

...and? The Ultramarines founded their own seperate empire during the Heresy instead of heading to Terra to help the Emperor. By your reasoning they are no better than the Dark Angels, and therefore they (and thus 60% of all Space Marines, since 60% of Marines are Ultrasmurf successors) should also be exterminated.... so who does that leave us with... Imperial Fists, Iron Hands, Salamanders, White Scars, and Raven Guard...

So lets see...

Raven Guard have a mutation that gives them white skin, jet black hair, and iirc, pitch black eyes... in other words they all look like Michael Jackson post surgery, besides the fact that they experimented on themselves during the Heresy and created some real messed up gak, I think its safe to say we can exterminate them to (using your logic)....

Salamanders.... pitch black skin and red eyes if I remember? They're also total pyromaniacs... lets exterminate them too...

Iron Hands have a weird body mutilation fetish, they like to hack off parts of their body and replace it with mechanical components... they also might have a bit of a conflict of interest, since their pretty good friends of the Mechanicus (which is a semi-autonomous entity within the Imperium that has its own separate goals...)... maybe we should kill them all too...

So, now we're down to Imperial Fists and White Scars... only because I can't think of anything that might give me reason to exterminate them...

Know what? Actually, Dorn was against the Codex Astartes, and therefore can't be trusted, exterminate his sons!

And Khan wasn't considered trustworthy by the Emperor apparrently, so kill his sons off too...

Okay, we got nobody... cool story.

Dorn also has slight mutations in his gene-seed.