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I really dislike DA SW BA. DA are really a chaos chapter to me the truned on them selfs in ther own chapter civil war and are still going at but who knows what side is right . there. also to busy doing ther own thing must of the time to help out in wars and to fight with other chapters. SW Hello there warewolfs why haven't they been take out yet and killed . BA hello there vampires they go in to blood rages and kill ever thing they drink blood also why is the chapter also not killed off. So what do other people think of them chapters. i have been forced to allie with for a campaign we been running as i run a plan jane sm codex army i have truned my guns on my allies in are last fight to show my distrust and dislike of them evil chapters. but ever one say there good guys how so

Blood angels, they have a flaw yes, but they are still a good chapter, why? read up on them, without sanguinius sacrificing himself fighting Horus the emperor would not have won. The blood angels have done lots of things for the Imperium.
Space wolves, meh you want to try to go out of your to kill a 10,000 strong space marine legion that is fairly loyal to the emperor then have fun. Dark angels I agree with most things except that they are hunting down chaos marines therefore are good enough to live.

You sound like you're from the Puritan wing of the Inquisition.

I like all three personally, especially the space puppies. They actually seem to thoroughly enjoy what they do, as opposed to doing it out of duty and for honor and all that.

The simply answer as to why the Imperium puts up with their shenanigans is because they're darn powerful forces in the Imperium, and 1st Founding Chapters. Dark Angels broke up their chapter, but between them and their successors they have a Legion worth of marines, so starting a war against them is a poor choice.

Space Wolves never broke up their Legion, so they've got way more marines than most chapters.

Blood Angels are similar to DA, in that they and their successors have enough marines to really do some damage.

The other reason is that the Chapters aren't really too bad, compared to, say, the Red Corsairs. None of the three have turned to Chaos, or become pirates or anything.

The Space Wolves actually care about the people of the Imperium. Where most high ranking individuals see numbers and rounding errors, Grimnar and the Wolves saw actual people. It led to him opposing the Inquisition after the 1st War for Armageddon when they wanted to cleanse the planet of people for having the gall to learn the truth about the warp.

The Blood Angels have generally been good soldiers of the Imperium, I don't think they've had many run ins with the authorities. Their one problem is the flaw, which, while significant, they've managed to control fairly well for 10,000 years. More recently, they're led by Dante, who pretty much everyone in the Imperium views, and rightfully so, as a hero. He led the Imperial forces in the 2nd War for Armageddon, where numerous other high ranking people just handed him command (other chapter masters like Tu'Shan included).

The Dark Angels are probably the closest to renegade of the three, their secrets are pretty significant, and they go to great lengths to protect it, but they are still a founding Chapter, and they still get the job done. Especially when you consider that they tend to kill a lot of Chaos beings while chasing Fallen around the galaxy. If you're the Administratum, you probably look at their body of work, and say "wow, those guys do work. They've scoured more planets of Chaos in the past month than any other chapter did all of last quarter."

They all have their merits.

Frankly, if you want to be worried about someone, worry about Calgar and the Ultramarines. They basically have their own little empire out east. Lugft Huron had something similar going, and we all know how that turned out.

Hey, don't you start pointing fingers at use smurfs, its not like 2/3 of all chapters are our successors >.>... crap, pretend you didn't read that

 raiden wrote:
Hey, don't you start pointing fingers at use smurfs, its not like 2/3 of all chapters are our successors >.>... crap, pretend you didn't read that

I'm not implying that there's anything funny going on, but probably more chapters succeeding from the Ultramarines have turned to Chaos and renegade than any other...just sayin'.

Well, the UM have 60% of the current Chapters descending from them, so, statistically-speaking, it was bound to happen.

All Space Marines can drink blood or eat the flesh of their foes to gain tactical data about them. There's a specific upgrade in their tongues that allow them to do this. It's one of the many things that Space Marines can do (such as spit acid) that doesn't get as much mention in the fluff as I think it should. So what if the Blood Angels drink blood? It's a viable strategy for learning more about the enemy.

Still think them 3chapters are tainted and all wage all out war to get ride off them. to me they all feel like chaos chapters


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Still think them 3chapters are tainted and all wage all out war to get ride off them. to me they all feel like chaos chapters

It is my belief that the other 3 non-codex Chapters and their successors, are just as important as the UltraMarines are. I feel that because of the flaws of the 3 respective Chapters, they tend to push that much harder to accomplish their mission.

sorry but SW have no flaws.

The Gene Flaws are not chaos taint if that's what you're wondering.

I mean, DA are certainly too secretive for their own good but they aren't anything like the Word Bearers.

BA have the Red Thirst and Black Death, but that's a result of their initiation rituals IIRC. (They drink Sanguinius' Blood from a chalice)

Can't speak about SW, don't know enough about them.


Other chapters have Gene Flaws, too.

Salamanders have Ebony Black skin and Blood Red eyes.
Black Dragons have bony protrusions of their forehead, elbows and forearms.
Imperial Fists don't have the Betcher's Gland and Sus-an Membrane.
Raven Guard are missing Mucranoid and Betcher's Gland and have pale skin and dark eyes.
The Death Spectres are albinos.
The Blood Ravens have eidetic memory and an inability to experience R.E.M. sleep.



Also, you must hate these guys:

the blood ravens eidetic memory is more of a boon than a flaw

It's still a flaw in their gene seed

BTW I love your signature, I am still laughing.

zilka86 wrote:
I really dislike DA SW BA. DA are really a chaos chapter to me the truned on them selfs in ther own chapter civil war and are still going at but who knows what side is right . there. also to busy doing ther own thing must of the time to help out in wars and to fight with other chapters. SW Hello there warewolfs why haven't they been take out yet and killed . BA hello there vampires they go in to blood rages and kill ever thing they drink blood also why is the chapter also not killed off. So what do other people think of them chapters. i have been forced to allie with for a campaign we been running as i run a plan jane sm codex army i have truned my guns on my allies in are last fight to show my distrust and dislike of them evil chapters. but ever one say there good guys how so

You sound very Grey Knight-ish you value purity more than anything. Why are you calling these chapters evil? The Red Thirst isn't evil and the Black Rage actually helps them in battle! The Space Wolves are just more feral than other chapters which apparently makes them evil. Dark Angels are trying to keep themselves pure by destroying the Fallen! They're far from evil chapters! If you want to play SM but don't want to play an 'inferior' army you should be the most pious chapter of all. The Ultramarines.

then all un pure chapters should be killed let my crusade being. Also by truning on my so called allies I'm noe alone in are campaign as non of the other three factions want me on ther team.

Calgar ceded overall command to Dante during the 2nd Armageddon War. Obviously he believed in the Blood Angels, do you doubt his wisdom?

Yes i do any one who drinks blood is a vampire how can this chapter be called a good chapter the whole death company idea makes them evil at lest the relize there blood lust is taking over and seek to die in battle to redeem them selfs of ther sins


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There vampires why can't people see that

the death company is different from the red rage (red thirst, but when it wholly consumes someone)

It'd be nice if you joined us all in the English language...
You also seem to have a very broad definition of vampire and a hilariously naive view of the Imperium.

zilka86 wrote:
then all un pure chapters should be killed let my crusade being. Also by truning on my so called allies I'm noe alone in are campaign as non of the other three factions want me on ther team.

Why do you hate some of the most successful chapters in the Imperium? They're arguably more successful than Ultrasmurfs! And that's even after Matt Ward destroyed SM fluff.

Sm should be the best purest warriors and any flaws shouldn't be allowed

zilka86 wrote:
Sm should be the best purest warriors and any flaws shouldn't be allowed

The Ultramarines suffer from a flaw just like any of these chapters, only they can't blame it on their genetics. They are guilty of hubris, the same flaw that the Chaos Gods manipulated in Horus to turn him into the Archtraitor.

zilka86 wrote:
Sm should be the best purest warriors and any flaws shouldn't be allowed

That sucks because it turns out when you're messing around with genetics you don't always get perfect results. Imagine if there had been no other legions apart from those who were 'genetically pure'. The Heresy would have been lost to start with.

 darthnatus wrote:

zilka86 wrote:
then all un pure chapters should be killed let my crusade being. Also by truning on my so called allies I'm noe alone in are campaign as non of the other three factions want me on ther team.

Why do you hate some of the most successful chapters in the Imperium? They're arguably more successful than Ultrasmurfs! And that's even after Matt Ward destroyed SM fluff.

Why? Read some of his other threads, you might get an idea.

I hate them because people don't relize that there bad chapters the fight for them selfs and have ther own goals there selfish.

zilka86 wrote:
Yes i do any one who drinks blood is a vampire how can this chapter be called a good chapter the whole death company idea makes them evil at lest the relize there blood lust is taking over and seek to die in battle to redeem them selfs of ther sins

Learn to spell, this is a forum not a chatroom. And do you not understand what the Black Rage does? It makes them suicidal, and encourages them to die gloriously in battle while vanquishing their foes and protecting their allies I guess that makes them sinners. Also, never talk about sinning in these forums, nobody wants that gak.

There vampires why can't people see that

People say it jokingly because they drink blood ritually but they are not vampires, not even by the Twilight definition.


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zilka86 wrote:
I hate them because people don't relize that there bad chapters the fight for them selfs and have ther own goals there selfish.

They fight to protect the Imperium! How is protecting quadrillions of people selfish?!

 darthnatus wrote:

zilka86 wrote:
Yes i do any one who drinks blood is a vampire how can this chapter be called a good chapter the whole death company idea makes them evil at lest the relize there blood lust is taking over and seek to die in battle to redeem them selfs of ther sins

Learn to spell, this is a forum not a chatroom. And do you not understand what the Black Rage does? It makes them suicidal, and encourages them to die gloriously in battle while vanquishing their foes and protecting their allies I guess that makes them sinners. Also, never talk about sinning in these forums, nobody wants that gak.

There vampires why can't people see that

People say it jokingly because they drink blood ritually but they are not vampires, not even by the Twilight definition.

Actually the tragedy of the Black Rage is that the marine loses all sense of self, they believe they are Sanguinius. Sanguinius, arguably the most loyal of all the primarchs. So if they believe they are him and act accordingly, then they are exemplars of what all space marines should aspire to be.

zilka86 wrote:
I hate them because people don't relize that there bad chapters the fight for them selfs and have ther own goals there selfish.

That is Dark Angels tops and they are among the most genetically pure.
The Salamanders are among the most selfless chapters. Despite that the Imperium is made up of over a dozen different factions each with another dozen factions within those. The Space Marines are no exception, each chapter has its own goals and they aim to achieve them. Some are more militaristic e.g. Hunt down X and kill him. Others are nicer (Like the Ultramarines) like rebuild planet Y after the Orks raided it. The Imperium only survives because without each other they are all doomed.

 Orblivion wrote:

 darthnatus wrote:

zilka86 wrote:
Yes i do any one who drinks blood is a vampire how can this chapter be called a good chapter the whole death company idea makes them evil at lest the relize there blood lust is taking over and seek to die in battle to redeem them selfs of ther sins

Learn to spell, this is a forum not a chatroom. And do you not understand what the Black Rage does? It makes them suicidal, and encourages them to die gloriously in battle while vanquishing their foes and protecting their allies I guess that makes them sinners. Also, never talk about sinning in these forums, nobody wants that gak.

There vampires why can't people see that

People say it jokingly because they drink blood ritually but they are not vampires, not even by the Twilight definition.

Actually the tragedy of the Black Rage is that the marine loses all sense of self, they believe they are Sanguinius. Sanguinius, arguably the most loyal of all the primarchs. So if they believe they are him and act accordingly, then they are exemplars of what all space marines should aspire to be.

Calgar wishes he could be them.

zilka86 wrote:
I hate them because people don't relize that there bad chapters the fight for them selfs and have ther own goals there selfish.

And the Space Wolves fought to defend the people of Armageddon against the Inquisition post 1st War for Armageddon for the lulz, I suppose, and not because they care about people.