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 necronspurs2012 wrote:
the necrons of course. The Sautekh dynasty is the biggest and most advanced of all the dynasty and with one of the greatest strategists in the galaxy (zahndrekh and imotekh great commad and work with the weather would destroy the templars and focus a full fire attack at the orks turn the two against eachother then just picking apart whats left

Am I the only one who can only read this with a very necron-y voice in my head?


I think my imagination has started running wild :3

 Deadshot wrote:
In fairness, even the new C'tan, fully powered, were nothing compared to the old. I remember in the old fluff in particular that the C'tan could rewrite Laws of Physics at a whim and could do almost anything. Except survive the Warp. The C'tan were literally the gods of the matierial universe.

And yet they were wrecked by a few rebellious little robots.

 Deadshot wrote:
In fairness, even the new C'tan, fully powered, were nothing compared to the old. I remember in the old fluff in particular that the C'tan could rewrite Laws of Physics at a whim and could do almost anything. Except survive the Warp. The C'tan were literally the gods of the matierial universe.

They still can, for the most part.

Even mere shards can do gak like send you back in time, before the Big Bang.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
I can't imagine a Transcendant C'tan having the power of a C'tan in its prime.

Me neither (well the memory of one). Still, in the Codex I believe the Necrons were described as being terrified of any Shard escaping and investigated any possibility of ones that were free. To deliberately set one free seemed unthinkable. Also, do you reckon the Transcendent C'tan are all made from Shards of the same C'tan? Or that they can have the personalities and fractured memories of multiple C'tan? Because that's make them pretty much insane.

Deadshot wrote:In fairness, even the new C'tan, fully powered, were nothing compared to the old. I remember in the old fluff in particular that the C'tan could rewrite Laws of Physics at a whim and could do almost anything. Except survive the Warp. The C'tan were literally the gods of the matierial universe.

I'm pretty sure they are described as god-like in the new Codex, and the Shards described as having nearly limitless power which was curtailed only by their imagination and memory.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
If anyone has C'tan Shards, or Transcedent C'tan, it'll be the Stormlord. IIRC, he's basically top of the metaphorical food chain. I think the Silent King is above him and that's about it.

That's a fair point.

Psienesis wrote:Not with there being tens of billions of shards, they aren't. C'Tan, you see, were really big....

Are the numbers ever actually stated? Each of them is supposed to have the power of a whole C'tan, aren't they? They just can't remember how to do most of the stuff.

What's up with the background provided for the Transcendent C'tan? Isn't turning one loose the thing they're supposed to be terrified of? With any C'tan Shard usually only used in extreme times?

Numbers are not given, but there are Dynasties dedicated to scraping together all of the shards they can find. It's mentioned that the C'Tan were scattered across the galaxy.... that's a whole lotta space for only a handful of shards (by any measure) to be scattered across.

A shard, though, is nowhere near as powerful as a full C'Tan. In their prime, these things devoured stars and pre-dated the establishment of the laws of physics in the galaxy, which is why they can break them pretty much on a whim.

In the Codex, of course, the shards you buy aren't named, they aren't listed as "Shard of C'Tan Bob" or anything. You just buy "C'Tan Shard", choose two powers for it from a list, and go. With the mix-and-match possibilities, this implies that there were far more C'Tan around than the short list of names we've been given. While you can, with the listed powers, duplicate a "Void Dragon" C'Tan, you can also have one that controls machines *and* causes earthquakes.