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I went to school after all this "0 tolerance BS"

around grade 5 when I brought my new scouts utility knife to school, which I was proud of earning with a safty merit badge, it was promptly confiscated, and I was disciplined...


yet when older kids (high school age) were in the playground pushing kids around, during school hours, and threatening them with screwdrivers/tools, the principle shrugged and said "its out of my hands, nothing I can do"

 Frazzled wrote:
In Texas, good athletes are pretty invulnerable.

A whole state of Steubenvilles!

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
In Texas, good athletes are pretty invulnerable.

A whole state of Steubenvilles!

Que? You got me, whats that?

 Frazzled wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Alcohol is not illegal. Purchasing it as a minor is.

Being in the unlawful presence of use of alcohaul. It's what they are nailing her for. It is illegal for minors to consume/purchase/possess booze.

Show me the law on that. Its illegal to purchase. No one said they purchased it.
A little semanticy I know but the whole thing is that.

Clearly certain admins need their cars keyed. Justice old school style.

Also she must suck at volleyball, or their team does. In Texas, good athletes are pretty invulnerable.

http://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?state=MA

Apparently of the three I listed, only consumption is not illegal. Possession is though.

Define possession

Frazzled wrote:Que? You got me, whats that?

Steubanville, Ohio where a young lady was raped at a party by two football players, who were subsequently 'protected' for a while by school and city officials.

djones520 wrote:http://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?state=MA

Apparently of the three I listed, only consumption is not illegal. Possession is though.

How does one consume alcohol without possessing it? Do you like sneak a straw into someone's drink?

I like how going to pick a mate up from a party is now 'enabling a crime' like she's a getaway driver for a robbery. Some kids were drinking underage, that's all. Who cares, you Americans are so puritanical about that stuff. What business it is of the schools I don't know.

 Alfndrate wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Que? You got me, whats that?

Steubanville, Ohio where a young lady was raped at a party by two football players, who were subsequently 'protected' for a while by school and city officials.

djones520 wrote:http://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?state=MA

Apparently of the three I listed, only consumption is not illegal. Possession is though.

How does one consume alcohol without possessing it? Do you like sneak a straw into someone's drink?

Which is probably why they never passed a law regarding consumption.

Stolen beers are best beers?

 Alfndrate wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Que? You got me, whats that?

Steubanville, Ohio where a young lady was raped at a party by two football players, who were subsequently 'protected' for a while by school and city officials.

yea not that far off actually or even more so depending on location.

How does one consume alcohol without possessing it? Do you like sneak a straw into someone's drink?

Again its semantics because the issue is stupid.
"I found this bottle. I don't own it officer. "
"What bottle? I refuse consent to all searches. "
"Do you smell bacon?"
"Is that Glock in your pants or are you just happy to see me?"

Seriously, does nobody read my posts?

There is an exemption for the possession of alcohol by minors that can be claimed from your parents or spouse, hence why consumption isn't illegal, because your parents have a right to decide whether or not you are allowed to possess and/or consume alcohol, its a fairly common sense law (though I believe some states don't allow this exemption).

In college (in New York), one of the ways we avoided possession/the open container law was to simply put the container down and stand near it... unless they saw it in our hands physically we didn't possess it, it just happened to be there.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Seriously, does nobody read my posts?

There is an exemption for the possession of alcohol by minors that can be claimed from your parents or spouse, hence why consumption isn't illegal, because your parents have a right to decide whether or not you are allowed to possess and/or consume alcohol, its a fairly common sense law (though I believe some states don't allow this exemption).

Yes, as the link I posted also stated. But if you expect me to buy that every kid at that party had parental permission to be getting krunk, well... it's not gonna happen.

chaos0xomega wrote:
There is an exemption for the possession of alcohol by minors that can be claimed from your parents or spouse, hence why consumption isn't illegal, because your parents have a right to decide whether or not you are allowed to possess and/or consume alcohol, its a fairly common sense law (though I believe some states don't allow this exemption).

I believe the parents have to be supervising for that to work, they can't just give their kid a pass to drink and send them off to a party.

At least I don't think so

chaos0xomega wrote:
Seriously, does nobody read my posts?

There is an exemption for the possession of alcohol by minors that can be claimed from your parents or spouse, hence why consumption isn't illegal, because your parents have a right to decide whether or not you are allowed to possess and/or consume alcohol, its a fairly common sense law (though I believe some states don't allow this exemption).

In college (in New York), one of the ways we avoided possession/the open container law was to simply put the container down and stand near it... unless they saw it in our hands physically we didn't possess it, it just happened to be there.

I read it, it's just funny trying to imagine a high schooler that is obviously drunk tell an officer they never possessed the alcohol they consumed

 Alfndrate wrote:

Steubanville, Ohio where a young lady was raped at a party by two football players, who were subsequently 'protected' for a while by school and city officials.

Not protected for a while, the DA drop the charges and has yet to recharge. Even after the girl's house was burnt down.

 Alfndrate wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Seriously, does nobody read my posts?

There is an exemption for the possession of alcohol by minors that can be claimed from your parents or spouse, hence why consumption isn't illegal, because your parents have a right to decide whether or not you are allowed to possess and/or consume alcohol, its a fairly common sense law (though I believe some states don't allow this exemption).

In college (in New York), one of the ways we avoided possession/the open container law was to simply put the container down and stand near it... unless they saw it in our hands physically we didn't possess it, it just happened to be there.

I read it, it's just funny trying to imagine a high schooler that is obviously drunk tell an officer they never possessed the alcohol they consumed

Does someone pouring it in to your mouth count?


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Noir wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

Steubanville, Ohio where a young lady was raped at a party by two football players, who were subsequently 'protected' for a while by school and city officials.

Not protected for a while, the DA drop the charges and has yet to recharge. Even after the girl's house was burnt down.

That's pretty disheartening

chaos0xomega wrote:
Seriously, does nobody read my posts?

There is an exemption for the possession of alcohol by minors that can be claimed from your parents or spouse, hence why consumption isn't illegal, because your parents have a right to decide whether or not you are allowed to possess and/or consume alcohol, its a fairly common sense law (though I believe some states don't allow this exemption).

In college (in New York), one of the ways we avoided possession/the open container law was to simply put the container down and stand near it... unless they saw it in our hands physically we didn't possess it, it just happened to be there.

Time honored LA tactic as well.

Noir wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

Steubanville, Ohio where a young lady was raped at a party by two football players, who were subsequently 'protected' for a while by school and city officials.

Not protected for a while, the DA drop the charges and has yet to recharge. Even after the girl's house was burnt down.

You need to get your facts straight. The Steubanville case has been over for a few months with the two boys serving at least a year in jail. You're thinking of the Maryville rape case which is more recent...

 Frazzled wrote:
Alcohol is not illegal. Purchasing it as a minor is.

This is about the school's rules to be part of Volleyball, not the law about alcohol. She was willingly (after all she drove to the party by choice) in the presence of someone who was drunk; therefore she can be restricted from playing school sports.

Granted, I think it is stupid; but Alf posted it in black and white. RAW.

I wonder if any of the other students were suspended. It would be so ironical if not. I bet no other ones were.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Seriously, does nobody read my posts?

There is an exemption for the possession of alcohol by minors that can be claimed from your parents or spouse, hence why consumption isn't illegal, because your parents have a right to decide whether or not you are allowed to possess and/or consume alcohol, its a fairly common sense law (though I believe some states don't allow this exemption).

In college (in New York), one of the ways we avoided possession/the open container law was to simply put the container down and stand near it... unless they saw it in our hands physically we didn't possess it, it just happened to be there.

I'm sorry, I didn't read any of that. Can you repeat that?

The fun part about "possessing" is that you have it. Therefore, by consuming it, you have it-it is in your body. Technically, it is 100% playing by the rule to hit a minor up for possession if it is in their body: they aren't holding it in hand, they're holding it in stomach.

That said, the school is fully in the wrong about this life-saving girl. The rest of the kids screwed up and got caught. Boo hoo. But she doesn't deserve it. She's the hero that her school needs. Not the hero her school wants.

 Da Boss wrote:
Wow, that is completely unreal! Airsoft guns in the back yard?

It was the front yard, and near a bus stop.

Now lots of lawsuits, claiming the school's counsel lied to the judge.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/16/lawyer-for-girl-suspended-for-trying-to-help-drunken-pal-to-sue-school-over-lie/

On the flip side, this is a First World problem and one reason why schools are so follow the policy. No principal was ever fired for successfully following procedures. Multiple lawsuits for being suspended from a couple of volleyball games? Come on..

 Frazzled wrote:
Now lots of lawsuits, claiming the school's counsel lied to the judge.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/16/lawyer-for-girl-suspended-for-trying-to-help-drunken-pal-to-sue-school-over-lie/

On the flip side, this is a First World problem and one reason why schools are so follow the policy. No principal was ever fired for successfully following procedures. Multiple lawsuits for being suspended from a couple of volleyball games? Come on..

It's not the weight of the punishment that bothers me as much as it is the message this is sending out.


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The fact that the school apparently lied about the events that occurred is... interesting, also.

I also love that "Mothers against drunk driving" are glad that she was punished for PREVENTING a fellow student from driving drunk. Everyone in that committee that sided with the school's decision needs to be publicly flogged. Possibly thrown in the stocks for a couple days too. Isn't the whole point of that to prevent drunk driving? Last I checked...that's what EC did.

MADD's level of credibility is barely above PETA.

You know you're a group off track when your founder speaks out about how you've forgotten your purpose. They're basically a 21st century prohibitionist movement.

 daedalus wrote:
MADD's level of credibility is barely above PETA.

Hell yeah. My parents burned my entire World of Darkness collection when that craze hit us... damn, that reminds me, I still owe Jack Chick an autodafe...

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
MADD's level of credibility is barely above PETA.

Hell yeah. My parents burned my entire World of Darkness collection when that craze hit us... damn, that reminds me, I still owe Jack Chick an autodafe...

Can you translate that to English for me?

 Frazzled wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
MADD's level of credibility is barely above PETA.

Hell yeah. My parents burned my entire World of Darkness collection when that craze hit us... damn, that reminds me, I still owe Jack Chick an autodafe...

Can you translate that to English for me?

Hint : there is more than one organisation named MADD.