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 Frazzled wrote:
Now lots of lawsuits, claiming the school's counsel lied to the judge.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/16/lawyer-for-girl-suspended-for-trying-to-help-drunken-pal-to-sue-school-over-lie/

On the flip side, this is a First World problem and one reason why schools are so follow the policy. No principal was ever fired for successfully following procedures. Multiple lawsuits for being suspended from a couple of volleyball games? Come on..

It is a first world problem, that really shouldn't be a problem though. Think about it, if this girl is a talented athlete this could effect college recruiting and scholarships...that's big money! I know no good deed goes unpunished.....but really?

Really, how? Are there volleyball scholarships? Thats a serious question. In Texas the only recognized sport is football (and of course full contact thumbwrestling) so I am unfamiliar. .

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
MADD's level of credibility is barely above PETA.

I still owe Jack Chick an autodafe...

You reminded me of Chick.

I've spent the last 10 minutes reading tracts for entertainment purposes. I like the part where he blames the 9/11 attack on the US trying to force peace talks in the middle east that would result in dividing Israel. As in, God making all of that happen in retaliation of the above.

 daedalus wrote:

You reminded me of Chick.

I live to serve

I've spent the last 10 minutes reading tracts for entertainment purposes. I like the part where he blames the 9/11 attack on the US trying to force peace talks in the middle east that would result in dividing Israel. As in, God making all of that happen in retaliation of the above.

Yeah, you have to wonder why we'd ever want to worship the dude, given how much efforts Chick put into depicting him as a douche...

 Frazzled wrote:
Really, how? Are there volleyball scholarships? Thats a serious question. In Texas the only recognized sport is football (and of course full contact thumbwrestling) so I am unfamiliar. .

I'm pretty sure since title 9 there are female volleyball scholarships.

 djones520 wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
how the heck does the school have any authority to issue punishments based on events that happend

1. outside of school hours
2. outside of school property

....

or are schools the newest branch of the TSA and get a free pass at ignoring peoples rights?

This goes back to the school that wanted to expel kids for playing with airsoft guns in their yard.

Uhg dont even get me fething started on that whole mess.

 KingCracker wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
how the heck does the school have any authority to issue punishments based on events that happend

1. outside of school hours
2. outside of school property

....

or are schools the newest branch of the TSA and get a free pass at ignoring peoples rights?

This goes back to the school that wanted to expel kids for playing with airsoft guns in their yard.

Uhg dont even get me fething started on that whole mess.

Kid shoplift after school hours : kid get expelled from school.
Kid spits on the ground at a bus stop a mile from school, school's principal sees him : kid get detention.
Kid break another kids teeth at a house party, during weekend, parents phone principal : kid get 20 hours of charity work to do.

These are all exemples of punishment my fellow classmates got during my high school years. Rights have nothing to do with it, it's the school's prerogative to uphold their image by punishing students that conduct themselves in a manner that is contrary to that image.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

It is a first world problem, that really shouldn't be a problem though. Think about it, if this girl is a talented athlete this could effect college recruiting and scholarships...that's big money! I know no good deed goes unpunished.....but really?

Now that the case has been publicized she can point to several, freely available, news articles as evidence that she did nothing wrong; at least assuming no other information comes out. Indeed, it could be argued that this event betters her chances of receiving aid as it provides her with a story to tell; making her memorable.

 Frazzled wrote:
Really, how? Are there volleyball scholarships? Thats a serious question. In Texas the only recognized sport is football (and of course full contact thumbwrestling) so I am unfamiliar. .

Yes, 247 women's programs in D1 NCAA are sponsored.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
Kid shoplift after school hours : kid get expelled from school.
Kid spits on the ground at a bus stop a mile from school, school's principal sees him : kid get detention.
Kid break another kids teeth at a house party, during weekend, parents phone principal : kid get 20 hours of charity work to do.

These are all exemples of punishment my fellow classmates got during my high school years. Rights have nothing to do with it, it's the school's prerogative to uphold their image by punishing students that conduct themselves in a manner that is contrary to that image.

The fact that your school did these things doesn't make it any more right than any other school exceeding their authority in a similar fashion.

The school has a defined duty of care. While the specifics of this will obviously vary from country to country, here in Oz this basically means that the school is responsible for you during school hours, on your way to and from school unless your parents drop you off at the gate and pick you up again afterwards, and on any outside-school school-run activity. And that's it. If you run afoul of the police, and it's outside of the time in which you are the school's responsibility, it is absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the school.

 insaniak wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
Kid shoplift after school hours : kid get expelled from school.
Kid spits on the ground at a bus stop a mile from school, school's principal sees him : kid get detention.
Kid break another kids teeth at a house party, during weekend, parents phone principal : kid get 20 hours of charity work to do.

These are all exemples of punishment my fellow classmates got during my high school years. Rights have nothing to do with it, it's the school's prerogative to uphold their image by punishing students that conduct themselves in a manner that is contrary to that image.

The fact that your school did these things doesn't make it any more right than any other school exceeding their authority in a similar fashion.

The school has a defined duty of care. While the specifics of this will obviously vary from country to country, here in Oz this basically means that the school is responsible for you during school hours, on your way to and from school unless your parents drop you off at the gate and pick you up again afterwards, and on any outside-school school-run activity. And that's it. If you run afoul of the police, and it's outside of the time in which you are the school's responsibility, it is absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the school.

No, that's their legal responsibility of you. Any school that isn't bound by a student rights law they are either legally forced to follow or decide willingly to, can punish their students in any way they can. Of course, kids do not have any legal responsibility toward the completion of the punishment.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

No, that's their legal responsibility of you. Any school that isn't bound by a student rights law they are either legally forced to follow or decide willingly to, can punish their students in any way they can. Of course, kids do not have any legal responsibility toward the completion of the punishment.

I'm trying to figure out where the legal default for level of enforcement from government bodies designed to educate was "anything except what the law prevents us from doing".

Perhaps I misunderstand the purpose of law, but it seems odd that human beings require the law to protect them from the government, on any level.

Now that the case has been publicized she can point to several, freely available, news articles as evidence that she did nothing wrong; at least assuming no other information comes out. Indeed, it could be argued that this event betters her chances of receiving aid as it provides her with a story to tell; making her memorable.

Sure, now that is the case, after she and her family made a big stink out of it, which they should not had to have done. What about the other kids that may have had the same issue, but just took the punishment. Should never have been an issue in the first place.

 daedalus wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

No, that's their legal responsibility of you. Any school that isn't bound by a student rights law they are either legally forced to follow or decide willingly to, can punish their students in any way they can. Of course, kids do not have any legal responsibility toward the completion of the punishment.

I'm trying to figure out where the legal default for level of enforcement from government bodies designed to educate was "anything except what the law prevents us from doing".

Perhaps I misunderstand the purpose of law, but it seems odd that human beings require the law to protect them from the government, on any level.

The entire American Constitution is designed to protect human beings from the government on some level.

Noir wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

Steubanville, Ohio where a young lady was raped at a party by two football players, who were subsequently 'protected' for a while by school and city officials.

Not protected for a while, the DA drop the charges and has yet to recharge. Even after the girl's house was burnt down.

Speaking of which here's another similar story.
http://m.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/the-next-steubenville-hacking-group-anonymous-targets-missouri-teen-rape-case-20131015-2vk4c.html

Seems these hick towns really like their football players. Shame those schools don't have a zero tolerance policy on rape.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Now that the case has been publicized she can point to several, freely available, news articles as evidence that she did nothing wrong; at least assuming no other information comes out. Indeed, it could be argued that this event betters her chances of receiving aid as it provides her with a story to tell; making her memorable.

Sure, now that is the case, after she and her family made a big stink out of it, which they should not had to have done.

"Hey, someone's decided to punish me for being a good human being, let's ignore it and hope it goes away!"

This really must be one of the most ludicrous things I’ve read in some time. A Student helping a friend in this way is worthy of praise not punishment.

The sniveling little bureaucrat who made this decision needs a swift kick in the backside.

EDIT:

Yes, 247 women's programs in D1 NCAA are sponsored.

Thanks!