Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 Crablezworth wrote:
What exactly is "the media" doing? You may as well indict the concept of communication if you're going to use such a broad brush.

As it's bee pointed out, the wording they use on just about anything they do covering the guy paints him in rather negative light... Plus, is a domestic incident really worthy of national "news" ?

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
What exactly is "the media" doing? You may as well indict the concept of communication if you're going to use such a broad brush.

As it's bee pointed out, the wording they use on just about anything they do covering the guy paints him in rather negative light... Plus, is a domestic incident really worthy of national "news" ?

It is when the national gun case guy points guns at people?

Zimmerman knows who he is and that the country is watching him. If he wants to stop being a dumbass then he could stop.

If only he had a gun, then he would be safe!

 SilverMK2 wrote:
If only he had a gun, then he would be safe!

Waaiiit...

I mean at least he showed better trigger control this time..

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

As it's bee pointed out, the wording they use on just about anything they do covering the guy paints him in rather negative light...

Oh, and I thought that it is him acting like a violent, unstable psycho that paints him in rather negative light.

 SilverMK2 wrote:
If only she had a gun, then he would be safe!

Fixed that for you.

A mexican standoff is the american definition of safety. Go figure.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:
If only she had a gun, then he would be safe!

Fixed that for you.

A mexican standoff is the american definition of safety. Go figure.

And there is so much complaint about immigration...

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
What exactly is "the media" doing? You may as well indict the concept of communication if you're going to use such a broad brush.

As it's bee pointed out, the wording they use on just about anything they do covering the guy paints him in rather negative light... Plus, is a domestic incident really worthy of national "news" ?

I guess the fact that you're still referring to the entirety of mass communication as some "faction" shows you don't exactly get what I'm saying. Referring to all media as one entity is about as useful as saying "the man" is responsible.

 Crablezworth wrote:


I guess the fact that you're still referring to the entirety of mass communication as some "faction" shows you don't exactly get what I'm saying. Referring to all media as one entity is about as useful as saying "the man" is responsible.

Except that in this case, basically every news outlet I've seen that covers him has painted him in the same light.

And yeah, the easiest way for guys like him to not make the news is to not be a dumbass... would that be blaming the victim here?

Ohh, and saw a report today that his bail was set at 9k dollars.... Guess even the law knows the guy is broke from paying his lawyer last time around

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:


I guess the fact that you're still referring to the entirety of mass communication as some "faction" shows you don't exactly get what I'm saying. Referring to all media as one entity is about as useful as saying "the man" is responsible.

Except that in this case, basically every news outlet I've seen that covers him has painted him in the same light.

You know that one time, when he did a good thing and helped the people in the wreck that he witnessed, the news people talked about it. How dare those jerks talk about him when he does something good. The news report the news. Do good stuff, and they report good stuff. Do bad stuff, and they report bad stuff.

If the news reports that somebody does stupid stuff. Is it the fault of the news for reporting it, or is it the fault of the person doing stupid stuff.

And yeah, the easiest way for guys like him to not make the news is to not be a dumbass... would that be blaming the victim here?

Only if you are stupid and consider the person pointing a shotgun at people, breaking their stuff, and barricading themselves inside a house that they don't even own the victim.

Ohh, and saw a report today that his bail was set at 9k dollars.... Guess even the law knows the guy is broke from paying his lawyer last time around

No.

They based it on the charges and facts of the case. He can always get the money from a bondsman.

Or, you know, quit doing stupid gak to get arrested for.

But I guess "the media" and "the cops" and "the judges" are all in on this together.

 d-usa wrote:

You know that one time, when he did a good thing and helped the people in the wreck that he witnessed, the news people talked about it. How dare those jerks talk about him when he does something good. The news report the news. Do good stuff, and they report good stuff. Do bad stuff, and they report bad stuff.

Even in those reports, they "had" to mention how he was acquitted of "charges for the murder of Martin" and such. To me that says, "yeah, we're reporting that he did something good, but he's still a murderer"

And I didn't say they were in on it together... He does seem to love holding onto the shovel that's digging his own grave though


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I do wonder though, if he's convicted of something here... Do we know if the charges would be high enough for a Lautenburg Offense?

Reporting "acquitted of murder" =/= reporting that he is a "murderer".

I have a buddy in my unit who worked for large news organizations and explained how they use language like that to impact people's thinking on a subject, depending on the desired outcome this is an example of that

From page 1:

 whembly wrote:

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Just a quibble here...

...George Zimmerman, who was acquitted this summer of murdering teenager Trayvon Martin...

O.o He was acquitted of murder charges... not of murdering teenager Trayvon Martin.

Are you saying he did murder him? Was he convicted?

Semantics here.

The yahoo writer stated Z was "acquitted this summer of murdering...". As in, Z is still now a murderer... just not convicted. I'm saying he was acquitted of the charge of murder... thus, he's not a murderer.

Just a quibble.

Is it really all in semantics, and an individual readers head? Yeah, probably, but ALL media outlets know this, and do the same with basically all other subjects as well.

The reason they include the bit about his trial is because the title of the article has his name in it, the inference being he is well known and the part about the trial supporting his notoriety, otherwise it would be "area man arrested after aiming shotgun at girlfriend" and he would be later named in the article itself. It's not a conspiracy, it's basic journalism. If a famous actor died, they may also cite some of the movies he has been in, same gak.

Trayvon Martin has kept out of the law since the incident, why can't Zimmerman look to him as a role model?

Sorry Sebs, that Joke has already been made.

 d-usa wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:


I guess the fact that you're still referring to the entirety of mass communication as some "faction" shows you don't exactly get what I'm saying. Referring to all media as one entity is about as useful as saying "the man" is responsible.

Except that in this case, basically every news outlet I've seen that covers him has painted him in the same light.

You know that one time, when he did a good thing and helped the people in the wreck that he witnessed, the news people talked about it. How dare those jerks talk about him when he does something good. The news report the news. Do good stuff, and they report good stuff. Do bad stuff, and they report bad stuff.

If the news reports that somebody does stupid stuff. Is it the fault of the news for reporting it, or is it the fault of the person doing stupid stuff.

Is that the same case where the immediate reaction was to question whether or not the incident was staged? That case?

The man's life is over and crumbling around him. He's obviously a bit too free with the handling of his firearms. That has no bearing on the firearms owning community at large.

One can support the Martin trial outcome while still thinking the dude is an asshat here, which I do.

But don't pretend the media isn't searching for any possible reason to nail this guy to a cross.

We already had the Z on a cross picture, so that is covered.

I'm pretty sure if the media followed pretty much around anyone in Florida for this amount of time they would discover Zimmerman is just, You know, Floridian.

I feel like we need a George Zimmerman/ Rob Ford buddy cop film. Tentatively called "Detective Biggs and the Z Man: Street Justice."

 Easy E wrote:
Sorry Sebs, that Joke has already been made.

Ah missed it. My bad.

To be fair, the majority of Zimmerman's troubles with the law occurred BEFORE the Trayvon case. Maybe he's just finally getting his life back on track.

Was Zimmerman known to the Police before the Trayvon Martin shooting?

He was a mixed bag.

Had a couple cases where he was in trouble, called 911 a few times, went on a ride-along I think.

Sounds like he was known, but not on a "feth it's that guy again" level.

Everything is cool guys, she didn't really mean it!

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/09/justice/george-zimmerman-girlfriend/index.html?c=homepage-t

Zimmerman seems to be either the luckiest or unluckiest man alive, but I can't tell which it is.

If I were Z, at this point I would lay off the whole girlfriend thing for a couple years.

 d-usa wrote:
Everything is cool guys, she didn't really mean it!

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/09/justice/george-zimmerman-girlfriend/index.html?c=homepage-t

Like I said:

Madness? This. Is. Florida!