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And Morrissey's an donkey-cave, but he still makes good music. Just because the author might be an donkey-cave, doesn't rid his work of its artistic merits.

 Fafnir wrote:
And Morrissey's an donkey-cave, but he still makes good music. Just because the author might be an donkey-cave, doesn't rid his work of its artistic merits.

I think you and I could talk this subject in circles and not agree.

Then you must end up cutting yourself off from a lot of good art and media in general, because you'll find that regardless of your personal beliefs, there are going to be a lot of artists out there with ones that differ greatly from you, or have flaws that you might find reprehensible. People tend to be highly complex, and to write the artwork they create and the merits of it off just because their views might not appeal to you is quite short-sighted.

 Fafnir wrote:
Then you must end up cutting yourself off from a lot of good art and media in general, because you'll find that regardless of your personal beliefs, there are going to be a lot of artists out there with ones that differ greatly from you, or have flaws that you might find reprehensible. People tend to be highly complex, and to write the artwork they create and the merits of it off just because their views might not appeal to you is quite short-sighted.

What you consider good art and what I consider good art vary in this regard. It's funny you call me short sighted for writing this man off the way you are writing me off. Based off what I have read about this man, he is not much more than an attention whore that repeats himself and tries to use blackmail to make profit from his trash.

35 on Historical mode, 19 on Gun Control mode.

The game was fairly interesting, but the message was unrealistically conveyed. The PC moves so sluggishly (And, in historical mode, swings his sword so sluggishly), that sometimes people escape simply because your character is so slow and through no effort on their own, and indeed their survivals felt cheapened in that regard. Also, the hitboxes were pretty wonky, often I'd try to shoot or stab one of the cowering children, only to impale the corpse of one of their friends.

The controversy on the game itself is very overblown, it's pretty obvious that this was a pretty carefully constructed game meant to prove a point, although the subliminal intent of the creator due to his past work could be called into question.


Anyway, it was okay, but nothing to write home about. 6/10.

Relapse wrote:

 dogma wrote:

Relapse wrote:
Nope, don't care to play the game anymore than I care to view pornography or use drugs. In this case, what I have read about the game here and elsewhere as well as it's negative impact on the relatives of the murder victims is enough for me.

So you know absolutely nothing about which you are speaking?

Are you suggesting that someone should personaly experience something in order to have an opinion on it?

To have an informed opinion, yes.

 Fafnir wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I tld my mother about this and I tld Her I played it and how it disturbed me. Her reaction? Its wrong and im a horrible persone for playing it

That's really a shame. This is the kind of thing that people should play, and should talk about how terrible it makes them feel (if you don't feel terrible after playing it, there might actually be something wrong with you).
That said, I'm going to assume your mother is of the same mindset that assumes videogames are all about kill counters and high scores, and would never consider them as an artistic medium.
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No, She just thinks im a horrible person sometimes. I say I think abortion should stay legal? Im a horrible person. I think that my cousin should rush to her daughters school all the time when the daughter wants her too? Horrible person. Her favorite thing to say is "I cant believe I raised someone like that"

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
No, She just thinks im a horrible person sometimes. I say I think abortion should stay legal? Im a horrible person. I think that my cousin should rush to her daughters school all the time when the daughter wants her too? Horrible person. Her favorite thing to say is "I cant believe I raised someone like that"

Your parent actually tells you that you are a 'horrible person', in those words, for having a differing viewpoint to them?

Wow.

Just... wow.

Yup. Im used to it and just drown it out. Although he has mostly stopped when I cried so hard about it and nearly killed myself on accident.

Have you tried punching her in the face?

M-metaphorically speaking?

Yes, because Im going to punch a 60 year old women in the face.

Frailty is no excuse for rudeness.

Diomedes would agree.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Yup. Im used to it and just drown it out. Although he has mostly stopped when I cried so hard about it and nearly killed myself on accident.

One would think that would make her completely stop.

Sorry, I really feel for you. Emotional and verbal abuse from someone who is meant to be your parent is absolutely terrible. And also illegal.

Yeah it sucks. But she is a good mother and she has stopped alot of the stuff she used to do when I told her how unchristian it was. And I dont know how much Im saying is lost. She is very christian and just worries about my immortal soul. She does care, just in a weird way.
Now though she is trying to put curfews on me, a 21 year old.

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Relapse wrote:

 dogma wrote:

Relapse wrote:
Nope, don't care to play the game anymore than I care to view pornography or use drugs. In this case, what I have read about the game here and elsewhere as well as it's negative impact on the relatives of the murder victims is enough for me.

So you know absolutely nothing about which you are speaking?

Are you suggesting that someone should personaly experience something in order to have an opinion on it?

To have an informed opinion, yes.

You missed a few posts, haven't you?

So I played the game... the first time through I felt sick to my stomach playing, and as soon as the option to kill myself came up, I took my life, after killing 2 teachers and 14 students...

Then I saw the "gun control mode" and played that... I actually found it easier to play, and made it through the entire sequence, racking up an impressive body count of 6 teachers and 24 students... not sure that the designers intent was really met there...

Then I played it a THIRD time in "Eagletears" mode, trying to figure out just wth it was... no idea what my bodycount was, because my computer suddenly crashed on me, at which point I actually felt disappointed that I couldn't finish my "wet work" and it was at that point that I was grateful for said computer failure, because I want nothing to do with something that desensitizes me to that sort of violence.

you only got a score of 16?

Might want to work on that.

^ and that is why people will not take this seriusly

chaos0xomega wrote:
So I played the game... the first time through I felt sick to my stomach playing, and as soon as the option to kill myself came up, I took my life, after killing 2 teachers and 14 students...

Then I saw the "gun control mode" and played that... I actually found it easier to play, and made it through the entire sequence, racking up an impressive body count of 6 teachers and 24 students... not sure that the designers intent was really met there...

Then I played it a THIRD time in "Eagletears" mode, trying to figure out just wth it was... no idea what my bodycount was, because my computer suddenly crashed on me, at which point I actually felt disappointed that I couldn't finish my "wet work" and it was at that point that I was grateful for said computer failure, because I want nothing to do with something that desensitizes me to that sort of violence.

Eagletears is supposed to have the teachers with guns...
Didn't make much of a difference tbh...

It was far easier to get kills in eagletears because the teachers would try to attack the player rather than get the kids out of the scholl. And in both of my playthroughs, there was a little section in the final kill tally titled "killsteals" for all the students accidentally killed by teachers.

Relapse wrote:

Are you suggesting that someone should personaly experience something in order to have an opinion on it?

No.

I am suggesting that a person who can experience a thing, which will not materially alter their life, should err on the side of curiosity.

 dogma wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Are you suggesting that someone should personaly experience something in order to have an opinion on it?

No.

I am suggesting that a person who can experience a thing, which will not materially alter their life, should err on the side of curiosity.

As a father of 4 children, my curiosity was more than satsfied by the articles, screen shots, and comments I read about the game and the man behind it.

Relapse wrote:

As a father of 4 children, my curiosity was more than satsfied by the articles, screen shots, and comments I read about the game and the man behind it.

So, if you're willing to go to those lengths, why not just play the game?

I gave it a try. I have to say, anyone who thinks that game is made for fun rather than as art either hasn't played a video game before or hasn't played the game at all. It's very clearly made to provoke thought rather than to entertain.

The article in the OP is a bit misleading, too. For "recreating the murders in graphic detail" I expected a bit more than pressing the up key, then pressing the S key.

There's room to argue this interactive-art (game is a misnomer) is insensitive or inappropriate, but not that it's obviously exploitative and wrong.

Looks like the guy is from Australia, so he's already been punished by Life (TM).

But shooting the taliban is ok?

 dogma wrote:

Relapse wrote:

As a father of 4 children, my curiosity was more than satsfied by the articles, screen shots, and comments I read about the game and the man behind it.

So, if you're willing to go to those lengths, why not just play the game?

We go back to the point in our discussion about not needing to personally experience something to have an opinion of it. I despise pornography and drug use, also. It doesn't mean I am going to look at that trash or use drugs to suppliment what I have learned by reading about either or hearing what people have to say about it.

I actually liked that the game gave me the option of getting out early, and artistically that the shooter didn't have red blood like the rest of the characters in the game.

The game does some things well to unnerve the player (whether this unnerves you or not is a personal matter), the walking sounds that the character makes sounds unnatural for the sounds of walking. This immediately made me feel out of sorts, unlike other games that try to provide realistic sounds to immerse you in the game. Next were the backwards controls, I could be the weird one here, but I'm used to WASD being my movement in games, so having to stop and slow down to get 'acclimated' to the arrow keys was another way to make me feel odd about the game. Those things, along with the colors, the backdrop, the using the interact key twice to open doors just made the game difficult to play, which I think was part of the message the creator was trying to make. I still think that Gun Control mode would have just forced the player to search for the keys to open the gun safe and then proceed as historical mode, but that's asking for too much when I know that his message is that a few more obstacles between a person and their weapons might slow them down, should they choose to commit an atrocity like Sandy Hook.