Tyranids 6th Edition: Boycott A Terrible Product?

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**BlackArmour**

I keep seeing this bs about how people were raging over tau and how bad they were when they came out, as someone who owns tau and followed the entire thing I can tell you when it was leaked and then came out there was very little complaining, just few guys here and there crying about broadsides losing STR-10 but there was far FAR more of us saying wow this looks MUCH MUCH better than our old dex and boy that riptide looks pretty good and everything got better or just cheaper so....yay

I started a small Tyranid force and happily awaited this release thinking that I'd have another decent CC army again until my BA are updated. This release has one mono build of Flying circus and is VERY uninspired and a flat lazy (or time pressed makes A LOT of sense) codex , you don't need to "wait and see" for that just read that dang thing which a lot of us have at this point cause they've been in our local shop for viewing for a couple days OR you could just read the 95% of it out on the Internet now.

This goes beyond just a couple people crying cause the book isn't a world beater this is a large largeeeee chunk of the Tyranid fans sitting in disbelief that this is what came out. I have a large doubt that this is going to change in the next couple weeks.

**BaconUprising**

I guess I can forget Nids. Oh well, if the rumors about Orks and their wyrd tokens are true they could be awesome to play (or of course suck as well). I'll stick to my screamerstar for now...

**Ashiraya**

If GW wanted Nid players to feel like keeping Synapse on as many units as possible is something they want, they should just have gone down the DoWII road.

Make non-Synapse nid units slightly overcosted, and make Synapse give them buffs when in range to compensate. (Extra shots/attacks? Higher WS/BS? Preferred enemy? 6+ FNP? Things like that.)

**Backfire**

BlackArmour wrote:
I keep seeing this bs about how people were raging over tau and how bad they were when they came out, as someone who owns tau and followed the entire thing I can tell you when it was leaked and then came out there was very little complaining, just few guys here and there crying about broadsides losing STR-10 but there was far FAR more of us saying wow this looks MUCH MUCH better than our old dex and boy that riptide looks pretty good and everything got better or just cheaper so....yay

I don't know what forum you were in, but it wasn't here. Almost all Tau veterans condemned the new book, and it had nothing to do with Broadsides losing S10.

It's a terribly designed book.

**Bloodynecronight**

Look im holding a Codex in hand and comparing it to the last codex. Every single ATTEMPT to buff this codex has to do with somethign eating something else in melee. I CANNOT MAKE IT ACROSS THE TABLE with every single unit in every other codex having some form of str5 ap2 RAPES BUGS.

Not only did we lose access to armored shell but we didnt gain a single wound. OOOO YEAH THE FUN FACT theres no more toughness 9 to save bugs, matter of fact lets not even put that anywhere in the codex. Its like gw said heres your form of the hell turkey will give it +1 to its vector strike.

And for doing so well take away doom, who averaged a 11 on 3d6, and replace it with a 1/6 chance of getting the power in the first place followed by a 2d6+2(9avg). So cool if everything had LD8 but it doesnt.

Lets not even stop their lets go ahead and make it so that your shooty units, Zoey's, shoot as a group and as the math was pointed out RARELY CAUSE A SINGLE WOUND. O and lets follow that by removing your only means of getting them across the Board. No spore no problem ill just wait3-5 turns and hope they come from reserve so i can get 1 chance of shooting with them before they die. TERRIBLE BOOK

**Ratius**

Nid players?

Did we get &(^%d?

Or are we knee-jerking without looking at hidden/possible builds?

Open question.

**ninjafiredragon**

you got &(^%d.
so sorry

**Ratius**

Ouch!

Anything viable so?
Nidzilla, gaunt-rush, deepstrike, outflank, mixed, anti psyker, gunline.....?

Anything? :(

**Bloodynecronight**

Lictors with phermone trails and mawlocs is the cheesy list ima be running.

Everything that seems ok IS MELEE and will die before it gets across the board.

2HT
3crones
lictors
mawlocs

hope i roll hawt

**Galanur**

only thing I can tell you,

you wanna play nids? ask to play for the fun vs a fun list, then you can actually make a good fight, otherwise, steamroll at max with bodies falling apart everywhere..

**Ratius**

Might we have a Tau v6 or Eldar v6 review dex though?

Initially a shock to some units but hidden/strong builds in there?

Need love peeps.

**WarOne**

A new focus on reduced cost MCs might warrant a look.

**Ratius**

So Nidzilla is back?

**kirsanth**

Ratius wrote:
So Nidzilla is back?

It is useful to shoot them there, yes. But there is not a need. The new hotness for "long range" is a 24" gun.

And for most else it's gargoyles. SURPRISE!

**WarOne**

You will have to augment the list with other choices. The mandatory 30 gaunt tax to unlock tervigons can still find a place, and your fast attack slot will have to work overtime to keep pressure on the opponent in order to allow your other elements of the army to advance and be a factor in the game.

**Bloodynecronight**

NIDZILLA IS NOT BACK nids lost access to everything allowing them to up their t6.

Your going to be shot down by everything in the game before you can get your MC across the board. THERE ARE NO GEMS read as much as you can its been out for days and its the worst product ive ever seen produced

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Ive been playing a ton of nids as of late and im losing 1-3 FMC/MC per turn with IRION ARM now without it how many do you think will go down?

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

Bloodynecronight wrote:
NIDZILLA IS NOT BACK nids lost access to everything allowing them to up their t6.

Your going to be shot down by everything in the game before you can get your MC across the board. THERE ARE NO GEMS read as much as you can its been out for days and its the worst product ive ever seen produced

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Ive been playing a ton of nids as of late and im losing 1-3 FMC/MC per turn with IRION ARM now without it how many do you think will go down?

reading thru, it's more complex than the cliche.

For instance, I was pissed that Hive Commander lost the buff to reserve rolls. But it's 5 points cheaper, and you can stack (outflank two troops for HC two flyrants).

Also, I think ymgarls and maybe even the Doom will be back, they're mentioned in the codex.

It's a massive pain, but new glimmers of light will emerge. We're not totally disheartened - but we want to rework our army without giving GW loads more dosh.

If you're losing 1-3 MC per turn WITH IRON ARM... maybe you're doing something wrong already?

**Arbiter_Shade**

Ratius wrote:
Might we have a Tau v6 or Eldar v6 review dex though?

Initially a shock to some units but hidden/strong builds in there?

Need love peeps.

No. It really is that bad.

Hidden gems imply interesting rules, this is the 5th codex updated to 6th.

**Happygrunt**

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Bloodynecronight wrote:
NIDZILLA IS NOT BACK nids lost access to everything allowing them to up their t6.

Your going to be shot down by everything in the game before you can get your MC across the board. THERE ARE NO GEMS read as much as you can its been out for days and its the worst product ive ever seen produced

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ive been playing a ton of nids as of late and im losing 1-3 FMC/MC per turn with IRION ARM now without it how many do you think will go down?

reading thru, it's more complex than the cliche.

For instance, I was pissed that Hive Commander lost the buff to reserve rolls. But it's 5 points cheaper, and you can stack (outflank two troops for HC two flyrants).

Also, I think ymgarls and maybe even the Doom will be back, they're mentioned in the codex.

It's a massive pain, but new glimmers of light will emerge. We're not totally disheartened - but we want to rework our army without giving GW loads more dosh.

If you're losing 1-3 MC per turn WITH IRON ARM... maybe you're doing something wrong already?

See, I thought they couldn't take BRB powers anymore?

**Bloodynecronight**

YEah i didnt buy a army with str5 36 inch weapons that mitigiate EVERY SINGLE ARMOR SAVE in my codex but the tyrnoofex

**streamdragon**

Happygrunt wrote:
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Bloodynecronight wrote:
NIDZILLA IS NOT BACK nids lost access to everything allowing them to up their t6.

Your going to be shot down by everything in the game before you can get your MC across the board. THERE ARE NO GEMS read as much as you can its been out for days and its the worst product ive ever seen produced

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ive been playing a ton of nids as of late and im losing 1-3 FMC/MC per turn with IRION ARM now without it how many do you think will go down?

reading thru, it's more complex than the cliche.

For instance, I was pissed that Hive Commander lost the buff to reserve rolls. But it's 5 points cheaper, and you can stack (outflank two troops for HC two flyrants).

Also, I think ymgarls and maybe even the Doom will be back, they're mentioned in the codex.

It's a massive pain, but new glimmers of light will emerge. We're not totally disheartened - but we want to rework our army without giving GW loads more dosh.

If you're losing 1-3 MC per turn WITH IRON ARM... maybe you're doing something wrong already?

See, I thought they couldn't take BRB powers anymore?

They can't. Nids can only use the powers from their codex.

**BlaxicanX**

Von Chogg wrote:
Wait till tomorrow, then wait another few months

lobbywatson wrote:
Maybe they should play a couple 20 games or so before boycotting....

Psienesis wrote:
So you're butthurt that the Tyranids did not become the cheesefest that the Tau did, even though it took a few weeks for people to figure out the Tau cheese?

BlaxicanX wrote:
Reading the past few pages of this thread reminds me of IMDB's sub-communities for movies that bomb.

Stage 1: Initial announcement of product. Be jaded.

Stage 2: Details begin to trickle in. Get cautiously optimistic.

Stage 3: Details start flowing. Red-flags show up for those still jaded, the optimistic go into wise-man mode and lash out against the jaded for making assumptions without knowing all the details.

Stage 4: A final bombshell of information is released, for movies this is the various trailers. All gak hits the fan. Many of the optimistic give in to their grief but the most stalwart insist that we still don't know all the details yet. Maybe the trailer was just bad. The marketing team is bad. The film could still be good! The jaded are bitterly laughing their asses off.

Stage 5. Community embraces the horror. The blame-game begins for the crestfallen, while the most stalwart, those who simply refuse to be phased, spend months insisting that the movie wasn't that bad; defending its flaws and attacking other members of the community (for 40K, this will be the group of people who insist for months that the community needs more time to judge the codex after its release. "We don't know all the best builds yet! Give it some time! There's still strong combos that we might have missed! Dataslates and expansion!" Just because there's no 2++ invuln cheese doesn't mean its bad!)

STAGE 5.

**Bloodynecronight**

I was saying i was already losing 1-3 mc per turn with the ability to upgrade their toughness.

WTF do i do now that i can't jack that numbr up to 9

**kirsanth**

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Also, I think ymgarls and maybe even the Doom will be back, they're mentioned in the codex.

Red Terror, Norn Queens, and Hierophants were mentioned in the previous, along with other things that were never given rules for 40k.

News?

**WarOne**

Bloodynecronight wrote:
I was saying i was already losing 1-3 mc per turn with the ability to upgrade their toughness.

WTF do i do now that i can't jack that numbr up to 9

Hmm... I think a hybrid list of 180 cheap gaunt models with lots of deep strikers and flyers might workm

**Ratius**

Red Terror, Norn Queens, and Hierophants were mentioned in the previous, along with other things that were never given rules for 40k.

News?

Hmm?

**BlaxicanX**

He's saying that just because a creature is mentioned in the codex doesn't mean it'll be a playable character at some point.

Not counting like, Apocalypse of course.

**Ratius**

Hissy no like

**H.B.M.C.**

I'd love it if the people who think this Codex is good, or the "just wait and see" crowd would actually try to come up with a rebuttal to the unit-by-unit breakdown in the first post rather than dismissing it without any actual counter points.

But that's a fething pipe dream, ain't it?

**Harriticus**

GW has been releasing low-quality projects for a while now. Not surprising.