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I'll pass. I don't need any GW porn. What a ridiculous idea. I wonder what the board room meeting was like when this was hatched. Slow clap..., palm face..., tears of joy...?

 Flashman wrote:
Oh dear, but thank god for video reviews.

Can't believe anyone would think this was a good idea. The way GW is being run reminds me of The Producers - i.e. a big scam to write off tax losses or something.

Preposterous!

Spring Time for Hitler was a classic!

What gets me is that producing content isn't exactly hard. I could click on any Dakka Painting and Modelling blog at random and usually be assured of a good read. And these are by enthusiastic amateurs.

EDIT - Check out the article in my signature by way of an example.

Well, somehow, somewhere the brains at GW decided that their customers just like looking at pretty pictures. I wonder if WHV is aimed at the painter/modelers and WDW is aimed at the players.

This also makes me wonder when/if the supposed "new" website will happen. We've heard March, but if I was at GW and making money by selling you articles on painting, modeling, and battle reports...why would I then offer it for free?

 Byte wrote:
I'll pass. I don't need any GW porn. What a ridiculous idea. I wonder what the board room meeting was like when this was hatched. Slow clap..., palm face..., tears of joy...?

I don't understand why everyone is being so negative about the mag. Much like how GW don't write their rules to be competitive or coherent, they don't run their business to be competitive either. It's about forging a narrative.

Seriously though if they could loosen their corporate sphincter a little bit they could do something really innovative like farm WD out to a 3rd party like WoTC did with Paizo and Dragon/Dungeon magazine. Allow them to talk about other company's stuff as long as it all supported warhammer/40k. Let them write about cool tables, bases, etc. just leave out competing miniatures and games.

 Flashman wrote:
What gets me is that producing content isn't exactly hard. I could click on any Dakka Painting and Modelling blog at random and usually be assured of a good read. And these are by enthusiastic amateurs.

EDIT - Check out the article in my signature by way of an example.

No kidding, people do better for free every day just for love of the hobby. BTW, that hill article is really awesome.

I find it hilarious that a little fanzine I sometimes contribute to is a superior product to this.

Here's the latest issue:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/101838900/Issue17_FinalDraft.pdf

I mean, it's not glitzy or anything, but at least there's...

- a painted mini showcase
- a tactics article,
- painting guide,
- kitbash articles for a dwarf airplane
- scratchbuilding an orc hut article
- some fiction

It's insane that such a massive organization can't even produce something more genuinely interesting than an amateur fanzine for a minor wargames company.

WD Visions only has the first one on that list, and a list of GW stores which is the largest body of text in the entire thing,

Just emailed them hoping to cancel my iPad subscription and get a refund on the rest of the year, this product is clearly substantially different from the product I subscribed to - it's pointless from a gaming perspective

narkuk wrote:
Yeah - not impressed - this seems to nail it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cqFbTa5qOI

That's actually sad. When I think of how much I read in old White Dwarfs from the late 80s and early 90s. And now it barely has words. It's not even art and interesting things, it's mostly miniatures pulled from the studio and arranged together. I can't believe it's £7.50. Whose concept was this? They should be ashamed.

The battle report made me laugh out loud on the train. Wtf was that? A few pages of photos and a tiny paragraph of text on each? Did they really play a game?

The three languages is just pathetic. Even with each paragraph effectively printed three times there's white space left over. And an awful lot of photos, in fact nearly only photos filling every page. They're nice photos, but you need content to give context. I find the huge use of GD photos cynical. Certainly you expect them to photograph winners, but having you models used to fill at least 2 pages in the magazine is a bit much and is a cheap move by GW. I can't wait for them to mine all the user submissions to their website and flickr for free material. That's why I've never given them anything, in case they claim to 'own' my photos.

Who is going to buy this? I like books of painted miniatures such as they produced by GW in the distant past. But not a magazine every month, and it's repetitive. It's like they took the opportunity of reinventing the magazine to reduce it entire to a collection of pretty pictures. White Dwarf has been going this way a long time but this is taking it to it's extreme conclusion. I'm stunned it's a first issue. It's like they wanted to launch a new magazine but forgot they needed content, so padded it entirely full of photos until they can think of something.

Absolutely shameful.

Right, having watched that "review" all i can say is that he was a bit dumb. Rotations! They were zoomed in pics of the same images to get a better view and different perspective of those images. It's an old trick done by EVERY magazine company and GW for YEARS! I see that it was a bit poor to begin with, but what it seems to be is a magazine that shows the previous month's releases in better detail. It also by the look gives more pages over to other models not done by GW staff. Yes the storefinder is there, but it looks reduced. Again, this is the first one. Perhaps it is really bad, to lure us into a false sense of insecurity and think its always crap, so when it's brilliant, everyone will start buying it again. I'm not going to cancel my sub for a few months to actually see what it may turn into. I'm patient, not someone who jumps when things change.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Is anyone really surprised?

NO

Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote:
Right, having watched that "review" all i can say is that he was a bit dumb. Rotations! They were zoomed in pics of the same images to get a better view and different perspective of those images. It's an old trick done by EVERY magazine company and GW for YEARS! I see that it was a bit poor to begin with, but what it seems to be is a magazine that shows the previous month's releases in better detail. It also by the look gives more pages over to other models not done by GW staff. Yes the storefinder is there, but it looks reduced. Again, this is the first one. Perhaps it is really bad, to lure us into a false sense of insecurity and think its always crap, so when it's brilliant, everyone will start buying it again. I'm not going to cancel my sub for a few months to actually see what it may turn into. I'm patient, not someone who jumps when things change.

Ah yes, that old marketing technique of making something gak on purpose just to surprise and delight your eight remaining customers when they're least expecting it.

Said nobody ever.

I look forward to flicking through Warhammer Visions for free whenever I visit my local Tesco's (unless it comes sealed?)

Wargames Illustrated is now my preferred miniature wargaming magazine and has been for 3 years now.

Double sealed apparently.

 azreal13 wrote:
Double sealed apparently.

Pah, that won't stop me... or it wouldn't if I hadn't watched the review video showing the magazine in all its crapness. Seriously, not even worth a flick through in W.H. Smiths

It'll be interesting to see if this survives long. If it doesn't sell then WHSmiths will pull it (again) which will greatly reduce the number of shops across the country selling it, as Smiths is a distributor as well as their own shops. That would kill Warhammer Visions.

 scarletsquig wrote:
I find it hilarious that a little fanzine I sometimes contribute to is a superior product to this.

Here's the latest issue:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/101838900/Issue17_FinalDraft.pdf

I mean, it's not glitzy or anything, but at least there's...

- a painted mini showcase
- a tactics article,
- painting guide,
- kitbash articles for a dwarf airplane
- scratchbuilding an orc hut article
- some fiction

It's insane that such a massive organization can't even produce something more genuinely interesting than an amateur fanzine for a minor wargames company.

WD Visions only has the first one on that list, and a list of GW stores which is the largest body of text in the entire thing,

Well, now that you made it public how long before the cease and desist letter...

Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote:
Right, having watched that "review" all i can say is that he was a bit dumb. Rotations! They were zoomed in pics of the same images to get a better view and different perspective of those images. It's an old trick done by EVERY magazine company and GW for YEARS! I see that it was a bit poor to begin with, but what it seems to be is a magazine that shows the previous month's releases in better detail. It also by the look gives more pages over to other models not done by GW staff. Yes the storefinder is there, but it looks reduced. Again, this is the first one. Perhaps it is really bad, to lure us into a false sense of insecurity and think its always crap, so when it's brilliant, everyone will start buying it again. I'm not going to cancel my sub for a few months to actually see what it may turn into. I'm patient, not someone who jumps when things change.

Wait, you're not serious are you?

Oh no, it looks like you are. How is making something gak a good way to get people to buy it again?

Deluded.

Wow, umm... pictures.

I'll stick to the internet, thanks.

Absolutely shocking. They can't even sell it as a painting inspiration mag when there are plenty of sites all over the net with that content. Guess it's time to cancel the sub I've had for most of my adult life :(

To be honest White Dwarf (no matter what incarnation) has been as good as it was in the late 90s where it was actually a hobby magazine. I will never understand why they got rid of that format and have now decided to give us this.

I also miss The Warhammer Journal and was kinda hoping that they were going back to this but alas we got given this (words honestly escape me)

Once GW releases all the dwarfs then they can go out of business.

Warhammer: Visions....because someone at GW smoked some crack, hallucinated, and thought this was a good idea.

I'm all for nice photography of well-painted models, but I don't need 300 pages of it every month. Readers have a chance to provide some immediate (and hopefully meaningful) feedback if they actually DO cancel their existing subscriptions, rather than just rabble rouse about it. That kind of instant-hit loss of customers should send a clear picture to GW that this is the wrong direction for White Dwarf.

Wow that truly is shocking, its not a magazine its a picture book. Whats next pop up pages and 3d specs?

 redbristles wrote:
Dear lord, this looks appalling, why are Tyranids featured in the Visions "New releases" section, they were January's

Keeping upcoming releases a secret has been so good for sales, that GW are now moving to not revealing new releases until the month after they have been released.




This mag makes me sad. Just when it seemed like GW were finally starting to get a handle on this whole internet thing, they do something like this to prove that they're still quite firmly rooted in the nineties, when people would have actually been interested in this sort of publication.

People should cancel subscriptions if they aren't happy because there wasn't any warning they were changing the magazine in this manner and the replacement product bares no resemblance to what was paid for.

I find it interesting that any news or text content has been put into their weekly magazine, which averages out at £10+ a month and on which they won't do subscriptions and sell only through their own shops. While Warhammer Visions is just a glossy picture book that will be palmed off onto independent traders and subscription holders in place of the old White Dwarf. That's a classy stunt they've pulled there.

Indys can get WDW, I believe, just non-specialists that don't.

Still gak though.

Once this was a multi-faceted hobby.

In the eyes of GW we are now left with;

Playing

Converting

Painting

Terrain-building

Collecting


The new incarnation of their "publication" has gone beyond Pathetic and into the territory of Insulting.

GW, insult your customers at your own peril!

Anyone surprised by this doesn't understand GW very well. Obvious this would be the case from the very start. This entire split is a scam to squeeze more money from the customer. And I don't exaggerate with scam. It's a literal trick to get at least some money before people cancel said scam.

That youtube vid is hilarious. I wonder what kind of mental gymnastics you have to have to think this is a quality product worth buying.