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so heres my guess. You and this guy really hate each other but you are both WAAC competitve players who play regularly against eachother.

He brought a list to hard counter what you usually play and grind your smug ass into dust and then when you whipped out the Deldar to counter the local meta and catch him completely off guard, he immediately knew he was going to be playing a brutal uphill battle and didn't want to play but continued to play anyway becasue its good sportsmaship and he agreed to do so in advance.

When the game unsurprisingly unraveled into a crushing tabling that he could do little to prevent instead of doing somthing he might regret he opted to bottle up his anger and vented a little by carelessly tossing his own models into the carrying case to get the game over and packed up as quickly as possable.

As soon as the game was over you shook hands and rubbed it in a little how venom spam is such a brutal build if you aren't prepared for it and that he should incorperate a plan to deal with it in future listbuilding (as passive agressively as you possibly could). shortly afterward you rushed home excited as can be to make this post about what a jerk this guy was! man! screw that guy! i mean COME ON MAN CARELESSLY TOSSING YOUR OWN MODELS!!!! WHAT A BABY LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

TLDR stop using the forums to gloat about latest curbstomp.

urza8188 wrote:
so heres my guess. You and this guy really hate each other but you are both WAAC competitve players who play regularly against eachother.

He brought a list to hard counter what you usually play and grind your smug ass into dust and then when you whipped out the Deldar to counter the local meta and catch him completely off guard, he immediately knew he was going to be playing a brutal uphill battle and didn't want to play but continued to play anyway becasue its good sportsmaship and he agreed to do so in advance.

When the game unsurprisingly unraveled into a crushing tabling that he could do little to prevent instead of doing somthing he might regret he opted to bottle up his anger and vented a little by carelessly tossing his own models into the carrying case to get the game over and packed up as quickly as possable.

As soon as the game was over you shook hands and rubbed it in a little how venom spam is such a brutal build if you aren't prepared for it and that he should incorperate a plan to deal with it in future listbuilding (as passive agressively as you possibly could). shortly afterward you rushed home excited as can be to make this post about what a jerk this guy was! man! screw that guy! i mean COME ON MAN CARELESSLY TOSSING YOUR OWN MODELS!!!! WHAT A BABY LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

TLDR stop using the forums to gloat about latest curbstomp.

How'd you know?!

On a side note, with the amount of gak Dailymiddleboro has posted, (and I've seen hardly any of it), I'm surprised he has not been at least Temp banned before.

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 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I'm glad the neck beards are out of the woodwork defending this guy's poor behavior.

It has come to this, really?
We have all been on either side of the game you described one way or another.
It is easy to defend either way.
Name calling only makes your story all the more suspect.
How is your behavior in this thread any more of a high road than his physical behavior at that time?
Sounds like not looking for solutions but a form of ridicule.
I will also shave when I am good and ready...


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 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I It's a disservice to your opponent to let him believe he's losing to dice and not the list. That won't help him get better.

Why do you feel the need to ensure your opponent is faced with harsh reality he may not need or care?
If he has brains he could recognize at least being polite.
Being beaten by a list is a pretty common thing in 40k, no great stroke of brilliance, play a game of rock paper scissors, for the same feel.
Rather egotistical thinking you are providing a service to make him "better", a little money and a net-list can fix that pretty easy.
Think the people got your number and you are all getting defensive... let it go.

Please everyone stop responding to OP. This story didn't happen, OP enjoys arguments and made this thread to quench his thirst. Check his post history, he makes threads with conflicting views. He's a text book troll.

 Zande4 wrote:
Please everyone stop responding to OP. This story didn't happen, OP enjoys arguments and made this thread to quench his thirst. Check his post history, he makes threads with conflicting views. He's a text book troll.

No, Zilka was a textbook troll. DailyMiddleBro's threads are usually not explicit flame-bait.

His posts are a bit combative though.

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I would just ignore it. I couldn't care less how my opponent repacks models.

anyone else noticed how many threads the op has made that have been locked? nice.
alpharius in 3.. 2... 1...

Could not locate the Comp rules in the post, problem with using a mobile device maybe? May someone point me to the right direction? Googling seems to bring links from 2009.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Bad things happen to people all the time. He should man up and deal with it. If something that serious happened, he wouldn't be at the flgs. The fact of the matter is, he was a crappy loser and needs to grow up.

We have a difference of opinion here.

Going out, being social, trying to take part in a recreational game to overcome feelings of negativity is something I'd recommend as part of a strategy to coping with bad things happening. If the proposed situation is true, and he was unsuccessfully trying to overcome feelings of negativity due to recent life events I don't see your online shaming of this person as appropriate behaviour.

That said, maybe this isn't a complicated, delicate social matter. Perhaps he just showed up for a game and he just took a worse beating than he was expecting. No dead granny or anything. You say he was grumpy and was a little rough putting his models back, but from your words it doesn't seem he was complaining or calling you out for the bad time he was having. Perhaps it is worth keeping in mind that compared to many 'bad losers' his behaviour wasn't anyway as bad as it could have been.

As for dealing with bad losers... well I normally get my opponent tea and cake early game which builds good grace in the unlikely event I actually start crushing them. Fortunately for me I take soft armies and am don't apply myself perhaps quite as much as I should in game so me crushing someone is unlikely (but don't misread this as me saying I don't try ).

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

clively wrote:
Interesting. I'm assuming you have venoms with dual SC holding 3 trueborn with 2 SCs and one with a rifle? Good unit unit for 121 points.

Of course the trueborn SCs are only going to snap shot if you moved at all.. and being an elite unit you could only have had 3 of them. Which is usually not that hard to take down.

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Vanilla marines? ANY of those units should have dropped the venoms with just their bolters.

Untrue, they fire at full ballistic if the vehicle moves 6"

I'm going to ignore most of the back and forth garbage in the thread; however, this deserved a mention: The trueborn with SCs can only fire 4 shots at full BS if you move at all. If the venom moved, then your choices are 4 each at full BS or 6 as snap shots. That means a maximum of 6*2 + 2*4 + 1 rifle = 22 shots at full BS when inside of 12". Using a bit of mathhammer this means 14.6 hits, 7.3 wounds. Against vanilla marines with a 3+ save, it leaves an average kill rate of 2.4 marines.


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No need for language like that.
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nareik wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Bad things happen to people all the time. He should man up and deal with it. If something that serious happened, he wouldn't be at the flgs. The fact of the matter is, he was a crappy loser and needs to grow up.

We have a difference of opinion here.

Going out, being social, trying to take part in a recreational game to overcome feelings of negativity is something I'd recommend as part of a strategy to coping with bad things happening. If the proposed situation is true, and he was unsuccessfully trying to overcome feelings of negativity due to recent life events I don't see your online shaming of this person as appropriate behaviour.

That said, maybe this isn't a complicated, delicate social matter. Perhaps he just showed up for a game and he just took a worse beating than he was expecting. No dead granny or anything. You say he was grumpy and was a little rough putting his models back, but from your words it doesn't seem he was complaining or calling you out for the bad time he was having. Perhaps it is worth keeping in mind that compared to many 'bad losers' his behaviour wasn't anyway as bad as it could have been.

As for dealing with bad losers... well I normally get my opponent tea and cake early game which builds good grace in the unlikely event I actually start crushing them. Fortunately for me I take soft armies and am don't apply myself perhaps quite as much as I should in game so me crushing someone is unlikely (but don't misread this as me saying I don't try ).

Agree with you here nareik!

Personally, I have a hard time having fun in a game that's a one-sided slaughter, regardless of which way that slaughter is going. Unless it's against NPCs in a video game, in which case it's fine because computers don't have feelings. Yet.

If I'm getting slaughtered horribly without doing any relevant damage in return, that's not fun. The exception to that is in a massed combat game where I rush headlong into the enemy building with no regard for my health bar, die horribly, but then a few moments later the enemies are being cleared out of the building by the rest of my allies that are there. At that point, I like to imagine that my stupid charge drew their fire away from the doorways for long enough that the guys behind me were able to gain the upper hand, or that my stupid charge inspired my allies to actually rush the building and to heck with the casualties, and that sudden influx came at just the right moment to turn the tide. And that makes me feel good to be useful. I guess for me in video games, I agree with Mitchell from SG-1 when he said, "Hey, I am all about noble death. Pointless noble death, on the other hand..." But just dying over and over again without taking any enemies with me, or without really accomplishing anything at all other than feeding the other side a bunch of kills, that kills my joy, right there.

When I'm overwhelmingly slaughtering another player, well, I'll admit to taking some satisfaction in it under the right circumstances. Namely if they're someone who's been doing the same to me for a while, which is why it felt so darned good to finally butcher that Honor Guard unit when my Sisters got access to Death-Cult Assassins in 2011. That Honor Guard unit though... they would just walk, on foot, across the whole battlefield, then start butchering every unit they touched, in every game my mom fielded them in, which was often, since they were so good at what they did. But other than that, I don't like slaughtering someone badly, because I know how I'd feel in their place, and I can just see and feel that same feeling from them.

Sometimes it's possible to snatch victory from the jaws of what should have been a horrific loss. Usually in objectives control games, where the point is to control certain pieces of territory rather than kill as much as you can. I've been able to win a game with a single scout and Celestine being all I had on the board for the last 2 turns against 30 Orks (a mob of 20 Boyz, 9 Lootas, and a Big Mek with SAG) and 2 Kiila Kanz, because that Scout was behind a defence line, holding an objective worth 4 points, in the enemy deployment zone and made every save that was thrown at him. But cases like that are pretty rare and take a LOT of luck.

I will say that 40k can be tricky with all of this. I love sitting down and trying to make mean lists. I also like to try to win while playing. Unfortunately, this can lead to one sided battles in pick up games.

So what I do is offer to play a smaller list. I usually propose a 20% reduction if I'm playing someone I've played before and it was kinda one sided. If I know they won't go for it, I've also rattled off 3 lists (ie: "white scar bikes, Khornate CD/CSM, or DP marines"). Let them choose the match a bit, more fun for everyone. Don't rub a win in, and don't qualify the loss "but I let you choose".

Also, don't make transparent threads that are pure gloating and veil it in 40k civic concern. Won't fly. Dakkaites might be a little rude (we are), but we're also pretty savvy.

For a tourney. Well this comes down to skill. People skills. Either you know how to manage other people's emotions in a competitive environment or you don't. I can't see a post here solving that one.

clively wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

clively wrote:
Interesting. I'm assuming you have venoms with dual SC holding 3 trueborn with 2 SCs and one with a rifle? Good unit unit for 121 points.

Of course the trueborn SCs are only going to snap shot if you moved at all.. and being an elite unit you could only have had 3 of them. Which is usually not that hard to take down.

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Vanilla marines? ANY of those units should have dropped the venoms with just their bolters.

Untrue, they fire at full ballistic if the vehicle moves 6"

I'm going to ignore most of the back and forth garbage in the thread; however, this deserved a mention: The trueborn with SCs can only fire 4 shots at full BS if you move at all. If the venom moved, then your choices are 4 each at full BS or 6 as snap shots. That means a maximum of 6*2 + 2*4 + 1 rifle = 22 shots at full BS when inside of 12". Using a bit of mathhammer this means 14.6 hits, 7.3 wounds. Against vanilla marines with a 3+ save, it leaves an average kill rate of 2.4 marines.
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So he was cheating?

clively wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

clively wrote:
Interesting. I'm assuming you have venoms with dual SC holding 3 trueborn with 2 SCs and one with a rifle? Good unit unit for 121 points.

Of course the trueborn SCs are only going to snap shot if you moved at all.. and being an elite unit you could only have had 3 of them. Which is usually not that hard to take down.

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Vanilla marines? ANY of those units should have dropped the venoms with just their bolters.

Untrue, they fire at full ballistic if the vehicle moves 6"

I'm going to ignore most of the back and forth garbage in the thread; however, this deserved a mention: The trueborn with SCs can only fire 4 shots at full BS if you move at all. If the venom moved, then your choices are 4 each at full BS or 6 as snap shots. That means a maximum of 6*2 + 2*4 + 1 rifle = 22 shots at full BS when inside of 12". Using a bit of mathhammer this means 14.6 hits, 7.3 wounds. Against vanilla marines with a 3+ save, it leaves an average kill rate of 2.4 marines.

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Remember rule number 1 of this forum . Also, did you watch the game? A stationary venom with splinterborn fires 25 shots at full ballistic while stationary within 24" of a target, 24 shots within 36" of a target, and 21 shots having moved 6" within 24" of a target, and 20 shots having moved 6" within 36" of a target. I simply said they fire at full ballistic if they move 6" which is still true, and you have no way of knowing whether or not in certain shooting phases how far I moved my venoms or if I kept them stationary. So I'm not full of crap sir, I think you may have had burnt toast this morning, but there's no need to get nasty. I don't cheat.

NVM. Quote block fixed.

No need to be rude or insulting towards other users.

take a moment, count to 10, imagine a fish playing the bongos etc etc .

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:I didn't know Dark Eldar could be WAAC...

Focusing on winning is a characteristic of a player, not an army.

Anyways, he was probably just getting frustrated by the fact that he wasn't really getting to do anything. Putting minis down and then just picking them back up again isn't all that entertaining.

I can see that, but in my humble opinion, the only thing worse than losing is being a sore loser. Even if I'm crushing somebody, I'm ALWAYS cordial and kind.

If you express such condescending tone while playing as you express here, you can be as kind, polite and cordial as you like, but you aint and noone will percive you as such.

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 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:I didn't know Dark Eldar could be WAAC...

Focusing on winning is a characteristic of a player, not an army.

Anyways, he was probably just getting frustrated by the fact that he wasn't really getting to do anything. Putting minis down and then just picking them back up again isn't all that entertaining.

I can see that, but in my humble opinion, the only thing worse than losing is being a sore loser. Even if I'm crushing somebody, I'm ALWAYS cordial and kind.

If you express such condescending tone while playing as you express here, you can be as kind, polite and cordial as you like, but you aint and noone will percive you as such.

No offense intended, but it's not my job to make anyone here think I'm kind, and the internet's opinion of me matters all of ZERO percent to me. I will be cordial and kind to the players I meet however, but honestly what others think of me matters not to me.

Some of your comments have been callous. You do not seem to care about what other people feel, the whole man up and being a bad loser seems a little uncalled for (bear in mind this is my own opinion of what I have read.)

It is no fun being tabled, I lose more than I win but I have fun so it doesn't bother me. 2 noticeable tablings I have endured spring to mind. one was a combat patrol against a tournament list that I couldn't make a dent in. Yet I had fun and a laugh because of the way the game was played and the attitude. The second was against a kid who was a WAAC player who shot my CC army to pieces and even on the last turn would not allow me a bit of carnage from a charge even though he had won the game. Never played that kid again due to his gloating, smugness etc. You strike me as the latter, you may not realise and think you're being kind but that may not be the case, just bear in mind how we think we sound and appear to act isn't what other people may perceive.

I also want to put this forward; the last game I played was an Apocalypse lock-in in December. That morning we had a patient die at work, the first time it has happened to me on my shift and the first death of the Christmas period, it is unusual to have deaths on my ward. I had nursed her and seen her going from a happy, elderly lady to someone struggling to breathe and open their eyes. To make matters worse the family were really upset (understandable) with the addition of a confused person shouting while they were trying to mourn. This left me feeling rubbish the whole day. That evening while playing the game was not chatty, cheery at all and could easily have thrown my models in my case, I may have even done that a little. Would you have told me to man up and tell me to stop being childish because I was upset and down?

Thankfully the staff and players were able to brighten me up towards the end, it helped that one of my team mates was the porter who took her to the morgue and understood why I was withdrawn. So it wasn't all bad.

The smart and kind thing to do is always give people the benefit of the doubt and remember that you're a grown man playing with toy dollies going "pew pew pew". That you would say someone else needs to man up, deal with it and grow up speaks more to your own character than his.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The smart and kind thing to do is always give people the benefit of the doubt and remember that you're a grown man playing with toy dollies going "pew pew pew". That you would say someone else needs to man up, deal with it and grow up speaks more to your own character than his.

It is a game of toy soldiers! That's why throwing models in a case is ridiculous to me.

"I once played a game where I totally curb stomped the other player. I didn't laugh at him. Aren't I wonderful? And can you believe that the guy got upset? What a douche. I mean, its my right to curbstomp all my opponents. I never lose and always table my opponents by turn three, but I'm not a WAAC cheese player because I'm very condescendingly polite to the other guy."

 MWHistorian wrote:
"I once played a game where I totally curb stomped the other player. I didn't laugh at him. Aren't I wonderful? And can you believe that the guy got upset? What a douche. I mean, its my right to curbstomp all my opponents. I never lose and always table my opponents by turn three, but I'm not a WAAC cheese player because I'm very condescendingly polite to the other guy."

My only regret in life is that I don't have sock puppet accounts so that I can exalt this post more than once.

That, and that I had learned piano. It would have made my mom happy.

 MWHistorian wrote:
"I once played a game where I totally curb stomped the other player. I didn't laugh at him. Aren't I wonderful? And can you believe that the guy got upset? What a douche. I mean, its my right to curbstomp all my opponents. I never lose and always table my opponents by turn three, but I'm not a WAAC cheese player because I'm very condescendingly polite to the other guy."

guy was actually my buddy. Never was once rude to him during the game, even asked him if he wanted to reset.

And does your buddy know about this thread, out of curiosity? I mean, here you are slamming your so-called friend.

 curran12 wrote:
And does your buddy know about this thread, out of curiosity? I mean, here you are slamming your so-called friend.

Yup. I also told him the next day how childish he was.


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Off to my game gents! WISH ME LUCK!

I think I've had enough of this thread.