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2014/04/26 19:56:41
Subject: Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
Relapse wrote: If a 40 something male teacher had one of his students do a lap dance for him, I think it would be a safe bet the comments would be far more outraged.
I think the accurate analogy would be if a male teacher would have given a female student a lapdance.
So far as a hypocritical reaction based on sex, i'm not sure, I mean I think it's pretty much universally agreed that she should be fired, right? In neither situation (male teacher, female teacher) would a severe prosecution be appropriate, in my opinion, presuming a first time offender. It was obviously an incredibly stupid thing that showed an inappropriateness as a teacher but I don't think it quite rose to the level of a criminal action other than what was charged - inappropriate relationship with student.
I do think there is a huge, huge imbalance between sentencing of sex predators as teachers when they are female instead of male that needs to be addressed both in our perception as a society ("nice!" is bs acceptance of rape) and legislatively, but I don't think this was quite a sexual assault.
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2014/04/26 20:16:09
Subject: Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
Darth Bob wrote: For example, someone interested in a career in mathematics should not be required to take three years of history or language.
Because 10-17 years old can always accurately predict what career they will end up in.
Someone interested in becoming an English teacher should not be required to take pre-calculus.
Because developping and exercising your cognitive abilities is a waste of time.
The American school system enforces this idea of bringing up "well-rounded students" when all they're doing is teaching the majority of students lots of extraneous information in the place of other, more practical and important information such as:
- How to balance a checkbook. 9th grade economics or 7th grade home ec, for those schools that still have them - How to pay taxes same thing - What taxes are. 3rd grade civic course - How to apply for student loans. mandatory college orientation class - How to write a resume. 11th grade language course - Basic electrical knowledge. 7th and 8th grade physics, also 8th grade workshop classes - How to open a business. college economics classes or either university level business or law classes - How to register to vote. 3rd grade civic course - Social issues. either 3rd grade civic courses, 7th grade religion course, or any language class with debates - Human sexuality. 6th grade sexuality course, 7th grade religion course, 9th and 10th grade biology courses - How the government works. (Government is an, often under-developed, requirement or elective in most public and private schools.) 3rd grade civic course, 7th grade history course, or mandatory college political course - Basic socio/psychological principles.just about every non-natural science courses, basically.
Either there is a gaping abyss between our two educational systems, or you should sue your parents for sending you to such gakky schools.
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2014/04/26 20:29:15
Subject: Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
- How to balance a checkbook. never
- How to pay taxes likely never, but small chance in PiG
- What taxes are. fourth grade American history: they're bad!! Feth King George
- How to apply for student loans. economics: you should fill these out
- How to write a resume. 12th grade English
- Basic electrical knowledge. 7th grade tech, 12th grade physics, smattering in 8th grade physical science
- How to open a business. business class that didn't catch on with students until after I graduated
- How to register to vote. possible PiG, I slept through most of it though
- Social issues. too broad a topic-covered everywhere
- Human sexuality. 7th grade health, senior health, 9th/10th grade biology, listen to the older kids in the back of the bus
- How the government works. (Government is an, often under-developed, requirement or elective in most public and private schools.) 11th grade US history, 12th PiG
- Basic socio/psychological principles. pretty sure this didn't exist in my scool. All psych classes I took were college only.
Either there is a gaping abyss between our two educational systems, or you should sue your parents for sending you to such gakky schools.
Adjusted to how my old school did it when I was there, over a decade ago
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2014/04/26 23:13:09
Subject: Re:Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
Relapse wrote: If a 40 something male teacher had one of his students do a lap dance for him, I think it would be a safe bet the comments would be far more outraged.
I think the accurate analogy would be if a male teacher would have given a female student a lapdance.
So far as a hypocritical reaction based on sex, i'm not sure, I mean I think it's pretty much universally agreed that she should be fired, right? In neither situation (male teacher, female teacher) would a severe prosecution be appropriate, in my opinion, presuming a first time offender. It was obviously an incredibly stupid thing that showed an inappropriateness as a teacher but I don't think it quite rose to the level of a criminal action other than what was charged - inappropriate relationship with student.
I do think there is a huge, huge imbalance between sentencing of sex predators as teachers when they are female instead of male that needs to be addressed both in our perception as a society ("nice!" is bs acceptance of rape) and legislatively, but I don't think this was quite a sexual assault.
I am speaking as a parent and based the damage I have seen this do to families.
2014/04/27 00:26:56
Subject: Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
Relapse wrote: I am speaking as a parent and based the damage I have seen this do to families.
You've seen a lot of male teachers give lap dances to students? What school district are you in? And what does being a parent have to do with it? Is there a study somewhere that says adults (or teens) without children are ok with hurting kids, but only parents think it is bad?
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2014/04/27 01:00:45
Subject: Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
Relapse wrote: I am speaking as a parent and based the damage I have seen this do to families.
You've seen a lot of male teachers give lap dances to students? What school district are you in? And what does being a parent have to do with it? Is there a study somewhere that says adults (or teens) without children are ok with hurting kids, but only parents think it is bad?
You know what I meant, and if you bother to take a look at some of the posts going on in this thread, it's pretty clear there are some here that don't seem bothered by it that most likely aren't parents.
2014/04/27 03:18:00
Subject: Re:Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
Relapse wrote: If a 40 something male teacher had one of his students do a lap dance for him, I think it would be a safe bet the comments would be far more outraged.
Yes. There are lots of double standards when it comes to males and females. I get that we're trying to pretend everything works exactly the same for both genders (or are we at the point where I have to use "all" instead of "both"?), but it's just not true.
2014/04/27 04:53:38
Subject: Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
Yes. There are lots of double standards when it comes to males and females. I get that we're trying to pretend everything works exactly the same for both genders (or are we at the point where I have to use "all" instead of "both"?), but it's just not true.
Indeed, the problems are different.
For male students it is assumed a fantasy is being played out .
For female students it is the issue of force, and occasionally fantasy; though both are seen as naughty.
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2014/04/27 05:02:01
Subject: Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
I am speaking as a parent and based the damage I have seen this do to families.
So your concern yourself with the family, and not the child?
I concern myself with everyone involved. I thought that was pretty obvious. Don't even try to twist my words on this one, Dogma, I had a daughter that a molestor tried to get at, and would have if my wife hadn't been on hand to stop him, so don't pretend I have no care about the child.
2014/04/27 05:11:27
Subject: Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
You are equating a clothed lap dance in a public place with child molestation? Sure it was stupid, but it seems a bit much to pretend they are the same.
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2014/04/27 05:13:10
Subject: Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
Ahtman wrote: You are equating a clothed lap dance in a public place with child molestation? Sure it was stupid, but it seems a bit much to pretend they are the same.
I totaly equal it.
2014/04/27 05:16:13
Subject: Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
Ahtman wrote: You are equating a clothed lap dance in a public place with child molestation? Sure it was stupid, but it seems a bit much to pretend they are the same.
I totaly equal it.
Well that is incredibly stupid. I've worked with kids who were molested and this doesn't even begin to come close to what they go through in any way shape or form.
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2014/04/27 05:17:23
Subject: Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
Ahtman wrote: You are equating a clothed lap dance in a public place with child molestation? Sure it was stupid, but it seems a bit much to pretend they are the same.
I totaly equal it.
Well that is incredibly stupid. I've worked with kids who were molested and this doesn't even begin to come close to what they go through in any way shape or form.
Your opinion.
2014/04/27 05:19:36
Subject: Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
See what you think if you ever have the day(which I pray you don't) a child of yours has a similar experience.
Yes, because a guilty trip makes lap dances = rape. I feel so terrible now. How could I not have thought of the children... Who got lap dances and are now permanently scared for life because... they got a lap dance...
A teacher giving out lap dances to kids is easily capable of more.
So, lap dances don't equal rape? Phew. And here I thought we were entering the twilight zone where assault is manslaughter and firing on the enemy is war crimes and other crazy equations of lesser evils with greater ones.
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See what you think if you ever have the day(which I pray you don't) a child of yours has a similar experience.
Yes, because a guilty trip makes lap dances = rape. I feel so terrible now. How could I not have thought of the children... Who got lap dances and are now permanently scared for life because... they got a lap dance...
A teacher giving out lap dances to kids is easily capable of more.
So, lap dances don't equal rape? Phew. And here I thought we were entering the twilight zone where assault is manslaughter and firing on the enemy is war crimes and other crazy equations of lesser evils with greater ones.
Do you have kids?
2014/04/27 05:30:15
Subject: Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
I concern myself with everyone involved. I thought that was pretty obvious.
It obviously wasn't. Based on your comments I think your concern is about how you want families to be, not about children.
Says the man who continually posts he doesn't care what happens to others if it doesn't affect him. You aren't even worth responding to on this anymore.
2014/04/27 05:32:47
Subject: Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
Did he ever say it did? I thought he said molestation.
Thank you for picking up on that. It appears you are the only one that did.
Automatically Appended Next Post: My point is proven though, there are those here who really don't care and think it's a joke because it's a woman that molested the kid.
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2014/04/27 05:37:23
Subject: Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
Good point. Child molestation actually results in more psychological damage in most cases than the rape of an adult. Both are still a completely separate world from getting an inappropriate lap dance from your teacher.
That kid is going to be fine. gak is gonna be weird, but he's not going to suffer any kind of prolonged trauma like a victim of prolonged and overt sex abuse. Comparing the two for even a moment is devoid of reality.
Good point. Child molestation actually results in more psychological damage in most cases than the rape of an adult. Both are still a completely separate world from getting an inappropriate lap dance from your teacher.
That kid is going to be fine. gak is gonna be weird, but he's not going to suffer any kind of prolonged trauma like a victim of prolonged and overt sex abuse. Comparing the two for even a moment is devoid of reality.
Says the man who continually posts he doesn't care what happens to others if it doesn't affect him. You aren't even worth responding to on this anymore.
I don't see how my prior comments are relevant to this conversation.
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2014/04/27 05:44:07
Subject: Teacher Suspended for Giving Student a Lap Dance
Are you trying to attribute false quotes to me now? Pretty lame.
If you don't want to be called out on what you say, then maybe you should be more careful about what you say. Comparing the situation in the OP to any form of sex abuse is going to raise a lot of eyebrows anywhere you go.
Are you trying to attribute false quotes to me now? Pretty lame.
If you don't want to be called out on what you say, then maybe you should be more careful about what you say. Comparing the situation in the OP to any form of sex abuse is going to raise a lot of eyebrows anywhere you go.
You don't think a teacher grinding on a kid and putting her head between his legs is molestation? That attitude raises a lot of eyebrows itself in the real world, among most parents, if not here.
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