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Budzerker wrote:
What would be some bad matchups for knights in regular 7th edition (no LoW)?

How do you think they will fare against the popularly believed top armies of 7th? Those armies being Eldar, GKs, Necrons, IG, OS spam?

Barring the fact that 7th edition is most certainly LoW included. Necrons, Eldar. ig spam etc

Being hull pointed out is more dangerous than few high ap shots with the new explode rules.

Fliers would be the most notable bad match, as the Knights can do nothing. Other than that, they lack psychic defence, but defending against GK/Demons psychic is futile anyway.

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
It's a shame that the lancer doesn't have a heavy stubber though. That way it could provide snap shots at air targets, but still charge ground units in the same turn.

Has FW said anything regarding the release times for other lancer weapons?

They've mini-previewed a flamer type weapon, and mentioned the others, so I'd guess we'll see the next variant in a month or two, and maybe one or two by Christmas?

Yea theres some kinda mega-bolter arm variant comming.

So people don't think that it's over powered/too points efficient? I think it's extreme how much you get for your 375 points but I must somehow be wrong as almost none have said so in this thread or just in general and negative views are usually faster out than positive views.

The Imperial Knight can be in close combat turn 2 where it can wreck anything. To kill it in close combat will most like also take out the killer itself, so there's almost a guarantee pay back. It can stomp Monstrous Creatures which are higher than itself. No weak rear armour. Try to compare the Imperial Knight with the Lord of Skulls and see how much you get for your 375 points compared to it's 888 points.

There's probably much more.

D doesn't ignore invulnerable saves except on a 6. A Knight will probably die to terminators, and almost definitely to Deathwing knights.

Chaospling wrote:
So people don't think that it's over powered/too points efficient? I think it's extreme how much you get for your 375 points but I must somehow be wrong as almost none have said so in this thread or just in general and negative views are usually faster out than positive views.

The Imperial Knight can be in close combat turn 2 where it can wreck anything. To kill it in close combat will most like also take out the killer itself, so there's almost a guarantee pay back. It can stomp Monstrous Creatures which are higher than itself. No weak rear armour. Try to compare the Imperial Knight with the Lord of Skulls and see how much you get for your 375 points compared to it's 888 points.

There's probably much more.

There's loads of counters though. In terms of hull points and AV values, it's 6 Predators worth, and no one, to my knowledge, is still complaining how OP BA AV13 spam is.

Sure they have many benefits, not least of which rendering a large portion of any TACs list redundant, but every unit loss is hugely significant, it is very easy for your opponent to focus on so few units, you don't have OS, making missions potentially tough..Etc, etc.

They are strong, yes, but they're not too strong.

The imperial knight has some nice uses but a full army of them will have a seriously tough time of winning games against mobile objective secured. When it comes down to it most games are won not by firepower but the ability to contest and/or score objectives. This was one of the reasons that riptide spam was the Tau "power build" and not broadside spam, as the riptides were mobile, tough, and could contest.

Chaospling wrote:
The Imperial Knight can be in close combat turn 2 where it can wreck anything.

This is only true if you don't play with any terrain. The imperial knight base is huge and it only gets 3d6 take highest movement through terrain.

Chaospling wrote:
To kill it in close combat will most like also take out the killer itself, so there's almost a guarantee pay back.

Not true. The blast scatters and D weapon hits allow invulnerable and cover saves. Most of the times the death throes does a lot of damage to big horde units but doesn't do a lot to anything with a decent save.

Chaospling wrote:
It can stomp Monstrous Creatures which are higher than itself.

Watch pacific rim. They tackle and stomp the MC multiple times in that movie despite the Gaiju often times being larger than them.

Chaospling wrote:
No weak rear armour.

AV12 actually is weak armour when considering S6 multi shot weapons getting in back there. aka flyrants, scatter laser war walkers, etc.

Chaospling wrote:
Try to compare the Imperial Knight with the Lord of Skulls and see how much you get for your 375 points compared to it's 888 points.

Try comparing the Lord of Skulls to a group of TAC marines or pretty much anything. The Lord of Skulls is overpriced by a pretty fair margin . It does have superior weapons to the knight and it is ~1.5 times more survivable but the initiative on it is just sad.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:


Barring the fact that 7th edition is most certainly LoW included. Necrons, Eldar. ig spam etc

Being hull pointed out is more dangerous than few high ap shots with the new explode rules.

I phrased it like that because all the big upcoming GTs either don't allow LoW or have them heavily restricted in some way (Nova, Feast, BAO).

 ansacs wrote:
This is only true if you don't play with any terrain. The imperial knight base is huge and it only gets 3d6 take highest movement through terrain.

Yea I really think Super Heavies should be able to move through terrain a bit faster...

Many people house rule it as 3D6, take the highest x 2, but that's obviously of no use in PUGs or competition.

Budzerker wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:


Barring the fact that 7th edition is most certainly LoW included. Necrons, Eldar. ig spam etc

Being hull pointed out is more dangerous than few high ap shots with the new explode rules.

I phrased it like that because all the big upcoming GTs either don't allow LoW or have them heavily restricted in some way (Nova, Feast, BAO).

 ansacs wrote:
This is only true if you don't play with any terrain. The imperial knight base is huge and it only gets 3d6 take highest movement through terrain.

Yea I really think Super Heavies should be able to move through terrain a bit faster...

True but LoW are still allowed at least at BAO with restrictions

Knights arent LoW though

Invisible knights=win

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
Invisible knights=win

Truth. They become so much more unkillable.